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mech
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Posted:ok i did the search but i was not only unsure of the name of what to call this disipline i thought id throw it open to HOP!

right as far as i can see its when you have a staff and half of teh staff is made from a flag, and is spun like a flag...

now if anyone knows werei can get some moves, or ideaswould behelpful, im going to make one tomorrow night , so vids and pics will be around soon!

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ImmortalAngel
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Posted:If you know kung fu you can use it as a Pu Dao or a spear...
But thats only if you know kung fu


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mech
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Posted:i donththink that is teh type of work i am after!

it is more sort of flag corp work i am trying to do, im just going to make one and try some diff moves i think, as i havent seem them as a large part of spinning, but from what i have seen they look sweet biggrin

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SpitFire
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Posted:Mech, in the States, many high schools have what they call flaf corps. Essentially, it's girls spinning flags mounted on staff.

Spritie used to do it in High School...I think. Talk to her.


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Durbs
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Posted:The only time I've seen flags as you describe them was in a Kung Fu performance too.

It was just basic horizontal figure-8's but the clever bit was the arials, somersaults, flips etc over the flag by another person.

I'm sure this is not at all what you're thinking of though - which makes this quite a pointless reply.

But yes - Pu Dao or Kwan Do would have applicable moves - for vids of those try www.wushucentral.com



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Glåss
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Posted:what spitfire said.

flag corps

or try color guard

I guess you watched batman that was on the telly at the mine you posted.

its got them in the circus scene. and the riddler doing fly cane moves



I hooked up with a girl in the states who showed me a load.

they throw really nice

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mech
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Posted:a lil from coloum a and alil of no

i have had teh idea for flag staff ages ago after seeing it on a a kids tv shoe "even stevens" AGES ago, but i had teh idea to post on hop about it while waching bat man then the circus scene came on on bat man,a nd i was jaw on floor going, I WANNA DO THAT!

so yeah any help would be more than loved, and returned!

and ill be making my staff at teh weekend, so pics will be tehre then!

later days!


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spritie
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Posted:There are a bunch of options available online for different varities of flags to actually put on the poles, if you are interested. One of the most comprehensive listings is available at http://www.bandshoppe.com/html/index1.html.
In fact, this is the same company that we ordered our performance flags for when I was in high school over 10 years ago!

Like Spitfire said, I was in flag corps (also called color gaurd in some places) in high school. Throws with a flag are definitely nice, but they do take some practice and feel different than throwing a staff because of the drag. However, I think a thrown flag is nicer than a thrown staff.


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mech
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Posted:diff how, more force, less spin, what? confused

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spritie
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Posted:Different in that the flag produces more of a drag...the actual motions required to toss a flag and toss a staff are the same. The amount of force will be different though, and the way it looks while spinning in the air will be different as well. A staff will rotate more with a smaller amount of force than will a flag. It is also easier to throw a staff up higher than a flag with a smaller amount of force.

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mech
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Posted:thats what i firured, but im waiting to see!

RIGHT come saturday, ill be making my flag and taking pics, and sorting out how to spin the bugger!

im thinking now 5ft staff, and 2.5ftx2.5ft flag of tu-tone material, with stops on eth endsif i can get them, fgal material if not!

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spritie
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Posted:If you are making a 5ft pole, you might want to use more material for your flag. I know the ones we used to use were more like 2.5 x 3.5 at the smallest (even our performance ones). Our practice flags were usually rectangular and not square (never seen a square one actually), so I don't know if that matters for the flow or not.



Just some helpful suggestions. There are plenty of dimensions on the site I posted above (delete the stuff at the end if it doesn't load for you).



As far as stops go, we used floor protectors for table legs which you can easily find at Target or your local hardware store.



Good luck!!


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mech
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Posted:so you recon on a 5ft staff a 2.5ft section on teh pole and a 3.5 -4ft length as teh long side running out from the staff?

is that the right way round, or the other way round?

ps thanks for all your help sprite!


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spritie
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Posted:You were thinking right Mech, and you are very welcome for the help. I really liked flag corps, so I hope you enjoy your new toy.

Is there anything specific you would like to do with it (just play on your own, perform a routine for or with others)?


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mech
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Posted:while im thinkig about it whatwere the staffs like, heavy, hollow,

what cores did they use?

im thinking of a thin staff with a wooden core in it! would that work?
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spritie
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Posted:The particular one we used was an aluminum hollow shaft. When we did short flag work (a pole just a little longer than the flag), we used hollow pvc for a pole. I have also heard of fiberglass poles, hollow as well.

For flag work, I have never heard of anyone using a core. I don't think it would hurt anything, and could easily be removed if it proved to be too heavy. The flag will create quite a bit of drag, so it will seem heavier when spinning than just a staff.

We dropped our flags many thousands of times, and didn't really have much of a bending issue when using these aluminum poles. That might have been due to the thickness of the aluminum, though. I don't really know for sure as I have never tried an aluminum staff before. I have just a basic wooden staff and have never had an issue with it bending, but I know there are people who have, and that is why they ask about putting in a core.

Hope that helps a little bit.


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mech
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Posted:thats it, its finished!

i made it today and it work VERY well!

the staff is around 5ft, so the flag section is around 2.5ft!

and it spins like a dream..... some pre-limb shots

to wet your whistle, and ill make some spinning shots soon!


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spritie
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Posted:Looks good!

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Posted:That's the exact design that my mom does to make my old troup's flags.
Once I get someone to take some pictures of me spinning it, I'll put them up for you.

You can do all sorts of crazy desings with the flag, given you know how to sew. Also is possible to spin them as double flagstaffs biggrin They're awesome, I spun them for a year and a half, until I got fed up with the coach and quit a week before the first performance. (Heh heh ubblove)

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MikeIcon
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Posted:This thread made gave me an idea for a staff with flags at BOTH ends. Anyone made one of those? It would be pretty nifty methinks.

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Posted:I tried to convince my coach that what a good idea, but then I took it home and realized that the flags kept on rolling up on the pole. But for the 15, 20 seconds that I could spin it, it was really pretty and fun to spin. Tosses were hard because I only had one weight in one end of the pole, which made it offbalance.

Possibly if you created a swivel on the pole that was only as long as the flag, that might make the double flag staff a possibility.

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Posted:Yeah, I was thinking you would need a swivel of some sort. Possibly cut 2 gooves around each end of the staff that you could put rings in (make it so the rings cant leave the grooves but can move and swivel). Then attach the flag to the rings so that it can freely turn about the staff.

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spritie
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Posted:I think the idea of a swivel is a good one, however, you also have to be concerned that the two swivels might turn at different rates/times. For instance, the one holding the top of the flag could turn differently than the one holding the bottom for whatever reason, which could cause the flag to become strangely twisted.

What about putting a slightly larger pole over the 5ft pole with the flag attached to that and some way to prevent the outer pole from sliding too far down the inner pole?


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mech
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Posted:Quote:


What about putting a slightly larger pole over the 5ft pole with the flag attached to that and some way to prevent the outer pole from sliding too far down the inner pole?





so you mean?

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so form teh tip of teh staff you would have a centaral pole wichh you would hold onto, a scew or bolt (shown above by }-{) to hold a slightly lager tube in place wich had teh flag attached to thet?



now as this would be one tube, not several washers, it would not have the problem of the diff speeds of spin, and would be hald in place by two blots, dtopping it rtaveling more than a few mm's up or down eth staff?



did that make sence?



the reason why i attached mine staright to teh staff was that a) i didnt think about doing it that way and b) th flags i have looked at were done like that to, but i am starting to see what you mean, maybe when i make teh next one, i will add these features!


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spritie
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Posted:that's exactly what I mean, mech. Nice explanation to go along with it. However, I only mentioned that when someone was suggesting using 2 flags on one pole. I had the design you did for flag corps for 3 years and never had any problems.

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Posted:Dont see why using rings would cause odd twists. The flags should create enough drag to pull both rings equally... But your idea is good too, both should work.

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Posted:By the way, it doesnt seem like you have this in your little picture but you would need two tubes. Otherwise, you would be holding the swivel tube while spinning and you would still have the same problem. You would need each flag to be attached to its own tube.

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mech
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Posted:if you look at the pic above there is a line of | | to sinblies the inner tube, and then a bolt simbbalised by }-{ to act as a stop, to stop eth outer pole simabalised by || || wich has teh falg attacked to it, from sliding up and down!

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Posted:I think the problem ICoN is having is that mech was explaining for only 1 flag on a pole, and ICoN was trying to figure out a way to have one on the top and one on the bottom. ubbrollsmile

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mech
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Posted:ok same priniciple, you would have the same mechanism on eth bottom of teh staff as teh bottom!:)

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Posted:Was just looking at the picture wrong is all smile

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