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Malcolm
Malcolm

HOP admin
Location: HOP
Member Since: 18th Nov 2003
Total posts: 992
Posted:Dear fireperformers,

We have recently had over 889 fire performers listed on fireperformers.com
We are continuing to market it using a number of PAY per Click, Pay for submission
programs and search engine submissions services. We have also managed to swap
links with over 600 sites linking to it to help with its spider rankings.

This has resulted with 100s of searches each week and many email enquiries to us from people
asking for recomendations.

We have provided it as a free service, but now feel that just because something is free
does not always mean we are getting performers who are truly "professional"

We have now decided to only list those that are commited to the safety program we
have set out. See http://www.fireperformers.com/safety_program/
br>Joining is free, however minimal costs may be incurred in supplying copies of documents
(copier, fax costs, postage).

This is being done for the protection of professional performers in this industry and to ensure
a minimal risk for us in providing this additional resource.

To be listed again at www.fireperformers.com

Fire performers may apply by posting a letter, fax or email containing the following

Letter detailing what steps and or procedures you have in place to meet the program
commitments. (see http://www.fireperformers.com/safety_program/
)
Photocopy/scan of your current insurance policy for public liability covering use of fire
(must show coverage dates).
Serial numbers of your fire extinguishers.
Proof of having MSDS sheets for the fuels used in the performances.
Photocopy of at least one current first aid certificate.

Post to:
Fire performers safety program.
PO Box 6271
Christchurch
New Zealand
or Email to: safety_program@homeofpoi.com
or Fax: (international access code)+64 3 3428 665

Your information you provide will be kept confidential and not shared to anyone.
Should you prove your commitment to these practices you will be given permission to use
the trademark and listed on www.fireperformers.com until the above application
information (PL insurance) expires.

Kindest regards

Malcolm Crawshay


"May your balls always burn"

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stiltdancer
member
Location: Rockville, MD
Member Since: 27th Jun 2002
Total posts: 2
Posted:Living in the U.S., I have one big questions:

- where to find insurance for fire performers (all the companies I know have dropped this coverage)

It sounds as if people in the US will not be able to participate.

Sean


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FireSpirit
FireSpirit

Classic 90's Fire Dancer... Poi, Staff, Doubles, and Breathing
Location: South Lake Tahoe
Member Since: 29th Mar 2001
Total posts: 743
Posted:I sadly second that

~Fire Spirit


FIRE IS ALIVE!
IT LIVES AND BREATHS!
IT CONSUMES, AND DISTROYS!
BUT WE CONTROL IT,
AND DANCE WITH FIRE!!

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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:quote:Originally posted by Malcolm:
Joining is free, however minimal costs may be incurred in supplying copies of documents
(copier, fax costs, postage).
This is where you lost me Malcolm. Are you saying that you will send copies of our paperwork to perspective clients? (which is fine with me. It's a "I worked hard to get it so I flaunt it", kind of deal). However that puts you on the brink of being a manager...but not quite.

Or are you simply stating that for us to send this stuff to you, unless we have a fax machine/scanner handy, that it might cost us a bit to get our papers to you?

Personally Malcolm, if I were you, I would make the paperwork available for promoters/managers/prespective clients to see. I checked over my paperwork. I have no real personal data on them that I don't already share with my employers anyway. Since I would anticipate there being a real minimal amount of people in this program, you should have the ability to. This way an employer can be assured of having it, and a performer can find use in submitting it, other than just getting in the program.
BTW, I think the insurance thing is a great idea, however, for employers who are looking to sponsor performers to travel from overseas, they will need to provide insurance for the performer, as most insurances are restricted to the country they are purchased in. It is also important to note that venues have to have general liability insurance anyway, that performers insurance does not cover an event. (I have been approached by several party promoters who wanted me to perform because I have insurance and they did not for the entire venue from people who found me through the fireperf.com.)
There are many catches in the insurance area.


As for US, well, having insurance is important and is one of the earmarks of a professional presentation but not of being professional, that takes alot more than a couple of certificates. COTUS allowed anyone who would pay their fee to join. I disagreed with that, as it did not always mean the performer was a pro, just in a better place to become one. I think that the US taking the time to revamp the system is a good thing, and setting regs on the availability of insurance is also good. Insurance is available, but not cheaply (try about $1,500 to $3000 per performer). If it means all that much to you, and this is your only livelihood, you will get it. If not, it will come. Have patience and keep on practicing.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Malcolm
Malcolm

HOP admin
Location: HOP
Member Since: 18th Nov 2003
Total posts: 992
Posted:quote:This is where you lost me Malcolm. Are you saying that you will send copies of our paperwork to perspective clients? (which is fine with me. It's a "I worked hard to get it so I flaunt it", kind of deal). However that puts you on the brink of being a manager...but not quite.
Sorry I am not clear in what I meant.

The cost would be in faxing/posting us a copy of documents (if you can not scan & email them)

I do not want to hold or distribute documents but rather only site them as independant verification for the people searching for a fire performer.
Searchers can then continue to either email the performer for more details or visit their site (if they have one).

However maybe performers who have a site could have these documents available to share online from their site.

Basically I was worried about listing fire performers on the basis that they only ticked a box stating they are able to be hired. Any one can tick a box.

If it means less people are listed then that is good for those that are.

Much respect

Malcolm

Much thanks for the good comments about the insurance.


"May your balls always burn"

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mirabelis
member
Location: conroe, texas, USA
Member Since: 16th Mar 2001
Total posts: 11
Posted:Ok so i'm still not clear on who or where to get insurance. everyone i have talked to is either not taking on fire performers or they had a change in policy and dont cover fire performers. Please give me some hard core place, phone number or web site i can find some info on insurance!

Cheers!
Mirabelis


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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:Mirabelis,

There are none. There have been several threads about this. Unless you are willing to pay out a few grand or get your Pyrotechnic license and pay for that insurance, there is no quick, easy nor cheap solution right now.

Sorry.
Pele


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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