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Posted:Excuse my ignorance, I've always made kevlar wicks and am thinking of making some towel wicks... I've never seen any info posted on it.

I just go to KMart, get a towel, slice it up in strips, make a cathedral wick, stick an eyebolt through it and voila?

Is that it? Any tricks? Any complications? And just spin them off like normal kevlar?

Any feedback would be loved.


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vanize
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vanize

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Posted:all the towel wicks I have seen are wrapped with baling wire. I guess this is so they won't disingrate and fall off once the towel starts to burn up some. Downside is more little brandings when you mess up or do wraps and they only last a few burns. Upside is they burn a lot longer.

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Posted:okay. first cut two similar lengths of towel, so your wicks are the same size. take a piece of bailing wire about 4 feet long. make a small loop in the middle big enough to attach your chains with, depending on what kind of connectors you use. you now have a loop with two arms hanging straight down. pull one arm up to perpendicular, out of the way, and wrap the towel a few turns around the remaining straight wire before bringing the other arm down and wrapping the towel around both wires. this prevents the towel from turning on the center axis of wires. after the whole strip is wrapped around the wire, not TOO tight, but snug, you should have a bundle of towel with a loop at one end, barely sticking out of the towel, and some long wires sticking out the other end. next take one wire and pull it up around the exposed edge of the strip of towel (so it doesn't unravel while you are doing the rest of the wrapping), wrap a turn around the loop, pull it down around the other side, and loop it around the remaining wire sticking out the bottom. pull the slack out of the wire as you do all of this, or you won't be able to tighten down the wire around the wick to compress the towel. then take the other wire and do the same thing. you should now have a wick with four evenly spaced pieces of wire wrapped around the sides. cut off the excess at the bottom, and tuck away the sharp stuff. next take a needle nose plier, grab the middle of the side wires with the tip, and twist the pliers to cinch and tighten down the package. do this on all four corners and you are done. i usually make pretty spirals in the wire so the burns make nice brands.

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Posted:and screw k mart. go to a thrift store or you'll spend all your money on towels that you're going to burn anyway. even old denim works fine. rags. your mom's wedding dress. whatever.

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Posted:Yikes, how wrong was I? Thank goodness for HoP, I'd have had burning towel flying off of eyebolts and such.

I don't quite understand the process but might if I had all of the supplies in front of me. Is the towel just randomly bunched up in this bailing wire?

And more importantly, whatdafukis bailing wire?!

-City Slicker I guess...


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Posted:quote:Originally posted by NYC:
Excuse my ignorance, I've always made kevlar wicks and am thinking of making some towel wicks... I've never seen any info posted on it.

I just go to KMart, get a towel, slice it up in strips, make a cathedral wick, stick an eyebolt through it and voila?

Is that it? Any tricks? Any complications? And just spin them off like normal kevlar?

Any feedback would be loved.i just recsently moved here and ive been trying like hell for a long time trying to make good poi and i suck at it. mabie im not using the right ingreadents
any advice in aid of better poi


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vanize
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vanize

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Location: Austin, Texas, USA

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Posted:baling wire is cheap flexible wire of medium gauge that you wrap hay bales with. You can get it in the hardware store since people use it for more than hay bales these days. Great jury rigging supply, second only to duct tape.

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dulce flames


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Posted:NYC- If I remember right, check geocities.com/firepoi under wich construction.. They're pretty descriptive too!

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Mark P
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Posted:With my set I didnt bother using any wire with them.

I used half a beach towel on each wick and they were absolutely massive fireballs

The only one mistake I did make was using a straight eyelet bolt with only one washer/nut on the bottom and a chain with no swivels. This eventually caused the nuts to undo and the whole lot to fall apart

My suggestion therefore is to definately use swivels on your chains and to use 2 nuts so that you can tighten them against each other and lock them in place

Enjoy,

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Posted:I always used those red shop towels that they sell at Home Depot, and autoparts stores. They're 12" x 12" and are about the perfect size for towel wicks. Plus they cost about $2.00 for twelve, and they last for about five burns.

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Knagi


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Posted:HYBRID HYBRID HYBRID!!!!

My kevlar wicks have towels for cores....

And my towel wicks have a protective kevlar sleeve.... LOL

Nyc simple quick and confusing....

Half a towel.. fold it, roll it, wrap it with wire.. My wire designs tighen down with the force of swinging and also as the towels burn down. Cover with a kevlar sleeve to keep from burning on the 8 bars of wire running top to bottem

Experiment with the wiring you'll figure something out in time

P.S 1/4 gallon of fuel per use to carry lots of fuel.


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Posted:Theres an excellent website here where you shall find all the neccessary instruction on construction of towel wicks. This site has easy to follow details, and pictures! bless em....

EDIT: ahh dang, i see dulce has beat me to it.... but my link is clickable dammit!

[ 20 September 2002, 15:50: Message edited by: Flynt ]


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Posted:ahh, except they are teaching the use of split keyrings, which --AHEM--(school marm voice)
as we all know here at H O P, is a big NO NO.
but you can use the piccy to see what i meant. home depot has bailing wire in the fencing section.


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Posted:Thank you, thank you, thank you... You guys truely rock! Is it true that they'll burn for 15 minutes!!! Holy crap! I gotta make some CDs with that much consecutive burning music!

Arashi, vanzie, dulce, mark, sick, knagi, and flint: Thanks greatly for the advice.

Home Depot here I come. (Thanks for the store name too, it's on my way home!)

Keep up the good work!

[ 21 September 2002, 03:51: Message edited by: NYC ]


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shizN0T


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Posted:I have never used wire w/ my towel wicks.

I like to cut off like 3 inch strips off the long side of the towel.
and I stack the towel cathedrial style on a eye bolt, between 2 fender washers. and lock the bottom washer on w/ 2 nuts.

also, the BIG THICK FLUFFY towels make balls of fire the size of your head


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Posted:YOU GUYS SMOKE CRACK!

My home depot doesn't have bailing wire OR red towels.

I'm off to find a large beach towel and I'm goin' shizNOT style all the way. Maybe I'll wrap some galvinized wire around my cathedrals for when they start falling apart.


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Posted:Yer smokin' crack, NYC. Cathedral style? fuggedaboudit.

Don't bother with those red shop towels--they're not absorbent enough anyhow. Big old bath towels are the way to go. I slice about 8" off the short axis, fold that in half lengthwise, and roll it up. My style for twisting the baling wire is a little different from Arashi's but pretty close. You basically want to wrap the wire around the bundle sort of like a ribbon on a gift, to enclose the towel roll.

Pele's trick is to coat the final wick in diluted Elmer's glue--she says this gives her a couple more light-ups per wick.


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Posted:Sooo... Like 8" by 3' strips?

And, since I can't find bailing wire, is galvanized wire OK? I've got 16 gauge I think...


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Posted:Yeah, the ones I've made were made of strips more like 8" x 24", but close enough.

16-ga galvanized wire will be fine. I'm surprised you can't find baling wire, but that'll do. I've used it, and it's easier to work with.


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Posted:Ahhhh, It tis nice to work in a hotel which has, virtually, an infinite amount of towels. So sorry you don't live around here NYC i'd hook you up!

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arashi

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Posted:the ones we use are strips of 5 inches and the length of the towel, say 4 feet. you roll them rather tightly around the bailing wire lengthwise, and then wrap the towel like a present. i swear it works. it takes about 3 minutes to make one. quick and painless. every home depot i've ever been to has bailing wire. try near the rebar. it is also used in foundation pouring to hold the rebar together. not sure about the 16 guage wire, it seems like it might be a tad too fragile. it certainly can't be as cheap. bailing is like four dollars for a roll that will last forever.

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Posted:what types of meaterials work better eg cotton/ demin ??

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MadDogMike


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Posted:I use towel wicks on my staff, bought 2 inexpensive but fluffy washcloths at WalMart, folded them in thirds, and tied them to the staff with a single wrap of wire. I drilled a small hole in through the staff just below the wick (towards the center of the staff) and ran the wire through the staff so the wick wouldn't spin off. I get about 5 or 6 minutes out of them. As soon as the fuel starts to burn out, you need to extinguish them or you damage your wicks. After a few burns, take the wicks off and refold them with the burned part to the center and you'll get more burns.

(PS - if you use fine wire, wrap it tight, and push the twisted ends back into the towel you stand less chance of branding or cutting yourself with the wire)


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MadDogMike


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Posted:What about the end of a Nomex sock tied over your towel wick? Make your own hybrid wicks. You could probably get 4 covers out of a pair of $15 socks, and because its knitted in a tube there's no seam or stitching to unravel

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MadDogMike


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Posted:Since the outside layer of a towel wick burns up first, why not use a replaceable cover? I bought some childs 100% cotton tube socks, they should stretch over the towel wicks just right after being cut to length. The socks are cheap enough that you can replace them every few burns and hopefully extend the life of your towel wicks. I will try it out with my next burn.

It will also cover the screws, wire, or other metal used for attaching your wicks in case you want to handle the burning wicks. I was looking at a video from the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii where the guy laid on his back with his legs up and rested the burning wicks on the soles of his bare feet for a short time. It looked very impressive but the bottom the the wicks should stay fairly cool if there's no exposed metal. Besides, I detest shoes and I live in the desert so my feet are pretty tough. bounce


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JayKitty
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Posted:That sock idea is a really good concept, I gotta try that. I used the methond from firechains.com

Lay wire in towel, roll towel, pull wire through towel, soak in assorted flammable things.

Nice idea Mike!


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Posted:I used towelling when I first started out. redface
Dont its far far to much hassle having to re-wick stuff after a few burns and dont use denim it smells bad (real bad) biggrin

Just get Kevlar wick it lasts for ages (until you ware it out through general ware and tare) and I found gives much better burn time the best stuff I found was from this sight Hear smile


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Posted:The socks over the towel wicks were a miserable failure. They started coming apart about 2 minutes into the burn, showering me with pieces of burning cloth. And the 5 minute burn still damaged my towel wicks.

The wicks on the bottom of the feet isn't going to work either. The underside of the burning wicks is cool enough to touch, but not to hold.


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MadDogMike


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Posted:I still want to believe that towel wicking is better because it absorbs more fuel for longer burns. Today I bought some Kevlar arm sleeves off E-Bay (10 sleeves for $10 instead of 2 sleeves for $30 from Luxotica). I'll try to put those over the towel wicks and see what happens

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MadDogMike


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Posted:Much better! My wicks are about 6 inches (15 cm) wide, I cut the Kevlar sleeve down to about 8 inches (20 cm). I took a needle & Kevlar thread and whipstiched one end of the sleeve shut and turned it inside out. I slipped the sleeve over the wick and tied it to the staff with several wraps of Kevlar thread.

I burned for about 9 minutes before I got tired (this staff loaded with fuel is a lot heavier than my practice staff, need to weight my practice staff). No visible damage to the Kevlar sleeves


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