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coleman
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Posted:so i hang around loads in poi moves but have never really contributed anything more than variations and clarifications.
my intention was always to share ideas through video but i have neither the time right now nor the skills to put together what i would like to.
so no video, yet i still fail to post about new stuff so here is my attempt to rectify that

i have been playing around with some poi recently and have been swinging lots of moves with pendula (or pendulums if you want to be wrong ).

i think they are fun for these reasons:
firstly you have less control - the speed of the poi is dependent on the length of the string all of a sudden.
secondly, don't some of you just get bored of circles sometimes...?

started off doing these by spinning a buzzsaw and taking one poi higher up (from the side view you get two stacked circles in the buzzsaw, one on top of the other) and stalling the top one into a pendulum.
all credit to josie fluoro for this initial spark of inspiration.
have recently been swinging them in the wall plane out of weaves or butterflies, sometimes with one poi spinning and one poi swinging and sometimes with both swinging (spin = a circle, swing = a pendulum).

some nice stuff to do with pendula:

transitions where the end of one swing becomes the start of a new one (ie. changing the pivot point [moving your hand] without making a circle to get to the new swing).
parallel pendula above and next to each other, split-time pendula when they pivot from the same point.
using circles to switch between parallel and split-time pendula.
changing string length to change swing speed.
isolated pendula (or 'shopping bags').





indispensible tip: i find while swinging pendula it helps to repeat the mantra 'tick-tock'.

[ 31. July 2003, 00:09: Message edited by: coleman ]


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they do porridge."
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Posted:Especially not if it's time to go to the vet...

"Moo," said the happy cow.

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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:'kitty needs an operation'

one of my favourite sayings @ parties...


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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.Morph.
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Posted:

1st person to learn the art of controlled shoulder & elbow dislocations / re-locations must post a video

Double Pendulum Harmonograph
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[ 30. August 2003, 11:03: Message edited by: FireMorph. ]


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bluecat


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Posted:quote:Originally posted by coleman:
well we let the cat out of the bag already.

better to have it in a box than running around the house peeing on the furniture... damn. i knew my plan was going badly.


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DeepSoulSheep
GOLD Member since Sep 2002

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Posted:

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:perpetual motion then.

supposedly it's against the law.
but looking at the universe at large, it seems that's exactly what's going on - otherwise energy would be disappearing into nothing which makes no sense either.

some of you will no doubt be shouting the second law of thermodynamics at me right now.
but that only holds for *finite* quantities and the universe is infinite...

what exactly is going on out there?


has anyone seen my higg's bosons?
i had a load lying about somewhere and i fancied a quick juggle


and because no-one ever bothered...

quote:Originally posted by NYC:
Right now I'm writing a pendulum exam for my physics kids while reading this...

Period = 2 pi (length/gravity)^1/2

Frequency = 1/Period

Shhh! Here's a question from my exam:

4) You notice that pendulum below your grandfather clock swings back and forth once every 2.6 seconds. How long is the chain that the lamp is hanging from?

Don't tell anyone in my 5th period, OK?
1.68m.


sometimes i'll do anything to avoid my job.
i need beer.


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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DeepSoulSheep
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DeepSoulSheep

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Posted::sadheadshaking:
Here don't think so much


I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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oli
SILVER Member since Jul 2003

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by coleman:
the universe is infinite...

i dont think its actually infinite, not that any one atually knows, but i think scientists have geussed that the mass of the universe is about 10^53 kgs (not at all sure about this...)
anyway since there is a finite mass, and we know from day to day experience that this mass is fairly dense, the universe should be finite...


Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no

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Posted:rah!
just learnt how to prove 2=1


thanks blackmathsass


plan to confuse luke burrage with this at some point


got a few new deconstructionist ideas to play with but no time as i got an eye appointment now.


so later today it will all come flowing out


R


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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:mass of the universe?
so the total energy is even less certain...
but yes, i guess it isn't infinite
still a bit of a headf*ck though innit


quote:Originally posted by bluecat:
rah!
just learnt how to prove 2=1

i've never seen a proper proof for poi swinging.
my nerd gland is tingling and swelling to scary proportions...


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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[Nx?]
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[Nx?]

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Posted:*chases after cole with a big pin laughing manically*

here nerdynerdynerdy!

T


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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NYC


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Posted:Nice job cole. Unfortunately, the kids that took that test have since graduated and gone off to college....

If it takes Coleman 5 months to answer one of my questions, how long will it take him to finish the enitre test?

Please convert your answers to Kelvin.


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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bluecat


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Posted:evening nerds.


right.


contact airwraps. as in stalling an airwrap off a random body part and moving the attached poi head along your body in interesting ways. then the poi generally get to a point where they want to leave the body and come out of the airwrap.




R


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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by NYC:
Please convert your answers to Kelvin. i knew someone called kalvin once.
but he wasn't an si unit for distance either...

mmmm, just been reading about holography and the second law of thermodynamics in (2+1)-dimensional cosmology.
my brain hurts a little bit now though.

and bluecat - i thought you were saying you could prove '2:1 poi' not '2=1'!

does your 'proof' by any chance look something like this:

code: a = b
a squared = ab
a squared - b squared = ab-b squared
(a-b)(a+b) = b(a-b)
a+b = b
b+b = b
2b = b
2 = 1if it does, i'm, afraid its bollocks.
if you have something different, i'd love to see it


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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DeepSoulSheep
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Posted:Dying to see why that's bollocks.

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:if rob has a different 'proof', i'll tell you whats wrong with the one above.



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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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NYC


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Posted:Cole's multiplying by zero again.

(A-B) = 0 (as defined in step 1)
So you can't have that expression in step 4.

so of course 2*0 = 1*0

But that don't make 2 = 1.


I multiply YOU by zero! No wait.... I DIVIDE MYSELF by zero!


WAAAAAHHHH I AM INFINITE!!!


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:nyc has indeed hit the nail on the head and identified the source of my 'bollocks' argument to this 'proof'.

its a classic example of pseudo-math (like pseudo-science except its a lot simpler to show or explain the inconsistencies).

i would never carry through a zero term in a proof although i have been known to cancel infinities when required to do so...

you better watch your back or your infinite ass might just get cencelled


*runs off before he gets into a discussion on why qft doesn't apply to nyc*


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Posted:i can prove poi tho.


complaints at you spoilsport american.

i was waiting to see how many confused bods i got.


can't prove it any other way tho sorry.




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coleman
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coleman

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by bluecat:
i can prove poi tho. go on then!

and holding a poi up in front of you and saying 'go on touch it, that'll prove its there' doesn't count as proof.

i want greek letters, super and sub-script, a mention of sets and at least three appendices.



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they do porridge."
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