NothingsPerfect
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Posted:Yeah, my days of crazy speed glowstick spinning are over (I just got my fire poi recently..haven't lit up yet but still, woohoo) and as such I've been playing around with some stuff, particularly stalling poi. Everybody knows how you can just spin in a circle and let your poi run out of momentum until it freezes horizontal, then you spin it back the other direction.

SO...I've been playing around with different kinds of stalls (between the legs, behind the back, from butterfly, from weave) and I was wondering if anyone else likes to play with these and what fun results you've gotten. On another note, I'm starting to discover how to pull off isolations by first stalling and then moving my arms really fast. It's fun. Um, that's all.

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Posted:i love to play with stalls/stops.

there are endless varitations where you can stop any or both poi, if you were to make a list it would be endless.

i find they mainly go with certain moves and styles when slow and controled through out the whole burn.
try stalling some thing going round a stupid speed! it doesnt happen, so there's a simple way round that you slow them down, you automatically cubconciously slow them down to drop a stall in there.

i dont really know what else to say about stalls.


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colm
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Posted:oooh, stalls. been waiting for this topic to come around. stalls can be done from any speed. how do I explain ..
from reverse swing, that is the poi are swinging towards your face, just as they're coming up from the ground, push your hands forwards and if needs be walk with them. They will stall right in front of you in the 3' o clock position.

My favourite stall is from the weave to butterfly. when it's on the left hand side, stall the right hand poi under the left wrist and and pull it back, start swinging it the opposite direction.

From this, thread the needle, stall the left poi under the right wrist, but you gotta stall it from over the top, back to weave, and then do the same on the other side.

This progression can twist your brain a bit. looks great though


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Posted:ok i want help with this one.


define stall?

are we talking about stall during wrap?

if so ignore my first post.

i dont do wraps and i dont stall on wraps.

i do stops instead.

and if your waiting for a topic? why not just start it, you had some thing to say on the topic. just a thought.


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spiralx
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Posted:I think he's talking about stops... just a different name for them Stops are great, very useful for changing from same to opposite direction and vice versa in a smooth looking way.

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NothingsPerfect
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Posted:Yeah, as Colm said, stalling has nothing to do with wraps. You just let the poi run out of momentum and stop for a split second before you spin them in the opposite direction.

i.e. swinging both poi in reverse side circles you could stall both of them in front of you (stalls are almost always at the horizontal point..I'm not a physics major but I think that's when the momentum is most difficult to overcome). So they would stop horizontally straight out and then you would go into forward spinning. Maybe they should be called "stops." Some people hear stall and think of wrapping the poi to stall it. Either way they're fun. And yeah, I've done that weave -> bfly stall before and I really like it.

As far as I know so far, stalls are done almost entirely in a vertical plane (wall plane or weave plane)...I haven't gotten any decent looking corkscrew style stalls yet. Oh well, thanks for all who felt like chipping in, off to class for me.


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Posted:You can't really stall a horizontal plane spin, as it'll drop down when it stops and look really messy...

Stalls/Stops look cool though and are a nice change from wraps to change spin direction


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Posted:Nah, you can stop in any plan as long as you make sure that as soon as you've completely stopped the momentum (by following the movement of the poi with your arms) you immediately come straight out of the stop and go back the other way. There shouldn't be enough time for any significant droop.

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by spiralx:
There shouldn't be enough time for any significant droop. they will droop to a point where they completely face downwards. yeah you can stop on a horizontal plane, but doing this, you can then change from corkscrew to horizontal butterfly, with out wrapping your waist.


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Posted:I've been playing with horizontal stops, vertical stops in the upwards direction (my personal favourite!) and stops with isolations tied to them with pretty purple bows. So pretty much anything is possible. Go play

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NYC
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Posted:Can you give an example of a vertical stop in an upwards direction? Mostly because I don't feel like thinking right now.

Thanks Dom.


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dromepixie
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Posted:quote:Originally posted by Dom:
Go play ah Dom...

I miss you

anyhow... yes, stalls are excellent... I have found that there are SO many types and variations of stalls. also stall both or stall just one poi? YAY! the endless possibilities!

I really enjoy doing them and have found that practicing them in various speeds and rythms has REALLY REALLY improved my general control and fluidity in poi.



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NothingsPerfect
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Posted:quote:Originally posted by NYC:
Can you give an example of a vertical stop in an upwards direction?Spin clockwise in front of you and pretend you're spinning on a clock face (for reference). Let the poi's momentum run out when it gets halfway between 10 and 11 o'clock. Then once it hits 12 allow your hand to float upwards with it. It won't stall for long, but if you get the timing right then the poi will drop straight down after the stall instead of continuing in a circular path.


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Nic
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Posted:This doesn't really follow the thread, just a nice stall/stop i've come accross.

Butterfly, then turn 90 degrees and put poi between your legs, one from behind other from the front. Let the momentum run out so that the poi that went in from behind stops horizontally in front of, and one from front stops horizontally behind you. Then reverse direction and either turn 90 degrees in same direction so you finish the half-turn, ending in butterfly facing oposite direction, *or*, turn back the way you came ending facing same direction but doing a reverse butterfly. I prefer the latter.

It's a nice bounce-stop-bounce rhythm, nice for if you're kinda bouncing around a lot. Let me know what you guys think.


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Posted:thats a nice move..there's a good example of it on Sage's fire poi vid in the videoz section..I can get it from one direction but not from the opposite..thanks for the explanation, will have to go back n try this

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Posted:As Drome said - stops help with gaining control and fluidity..

I like doing stops.. specially if you stop, turn your body and carry on.. I would type a full explaination, but I don't have the words like you guys doo,, I'll just have to find a vid cam...


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rftek
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Posted:yay! stalls are way coo. i'm working alot on trying to isolate left/right hands. it's coming along but requires alot of effort right now, i can't really fluidly stall one hand without the other sympathetically stalling as well.

something cool:
from a windmill stop your arms in front of your body, one arm parallel to the other, seperated ~a foot. if you get it right the poi will wrap around the other arm's bicep area and stall, leading to a reversal of windmill or weave/whatever. i'm about 50% on this one, it looks great when pulled off.


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NothingsPerfect
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Posted:rftek, you can do that same double bicep wrap from a weave, just on either side and it goes into reverse. Double bicep wraps are fun for the whole family of poi moves! Including butterfly and TTN variations. You can do a similar version from corkscrew but wrap on your wrists/forearms instead of biceps.

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Posted:(Be patient with me I'm going somewhere with this)

You know those old toys that are little horses or hula girls and when you push the bottom they collapse? They're plastic and there's string holding together all the pieces and the string is naturally tight but when you push the bottom the string gets loose and the figure falls onto its base?

Anyway, a guy in New York constructed a pair of poi like that but in reverse. The "chain" is really just a series of metal tubes and it's naturally flacid so it can be spun like poi with wraps and stuff. But when you pull the trigger it tightens a wire inside and the poi get rigid. It's crazy cool because you can literally stop in the middle and freeze in any position. Like, BAM! Right in the middle of a weave and the poi are frozen and chains are rigid at impossible angles, then you start right where you left off, or go in any other direction. They're the ultimate in stalls.

Crazycool.

{Props to Nat for makin those crazy things.}


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JinX
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Posted:NYC

where can you get these crazy screwed up really cool chains. i want them now!!!!!


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Posted:No no no no... cool fire spinners don't GET nothin... you MAKE em!

I have no idea how but props to those who keep pushin the technical envelope!


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Posted:got some new stuff i've been playing with a whole new meaning of stalling poi, but you aint seeing it just yet!

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Dom
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Posted:I need:
a) Teleport machine to pop back to Blighty
or
b) mobile high speed net access and a video camera
I have:
neither.

hmmmmmm. I'm thinking it'll be so interesting to see you guys spin upon my return. After necessary hugs and day long holiday snap slide show


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Posted:Are your photos going to be like the poi version of Extreme Ironing?

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poiaholic22
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Posted:quote:Originally posted by NYC:

Anyway, a guy in New York constructed a pair of poi like that but in reverse. The "chain" is really just a series of metal tubes and it's naturally flacid so it can be spun like poi with wraps and stuff. But when you pull the trigger it tightens a wire inside and the poi get rigid. It's crazy cool because you can literally stop in the middle and freeze in any position. Like, BAM! Right in the middle of a weave and the poi are frozen and chains are rigid at impossible angles, then you start right where you left off, or go in any other direction. They're the ultimate in stalls. Don't get me wrong,Nat has quite the idea going there but I felt there was definitely room for improvement.

Besides if you want to cheat on doing stalls why not just spin torches.


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poiaholic22
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Posted:I also think someone needs to clarify the difference between a stall and a stop.

Wouldn't a stall be defined as a brief pause in the spin that makes it seem as if the poi are defying the laws of gravity and time.Whereas, a stop would just be a full spin into a complete stop that would defy the laws of physics and momentum.

Or am I trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?


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Posted:yes, you are

Stop making things too complex by having lots of names. A stop is where the poi stops, for a split second or an hour. Stall is another word for stop.

I still name most of my moves 'this one', 'that one' and 'that one I can't do yet'.


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Nic
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Posted:In reference to rftek's post above, there is a similar wrap/stall, but on your side in the weave. Just normal weave, then just after right poi passes your left leg, keep your left foot still, but stick your knee out to the side, also lift your left arm up asif you were doing that weird, chicken-flap thing, (basically just lift your arm so your upper arm makes a 90 degree angle with your side. Your left poi will then wrap and stall on the inside of your left leg, just below your knee, and your right poi on the back of your left bicep. Then you'll come out into a reverse weave.

My description is very specific, this is just the way i do it, you'll obviously do it a little differently.

Very similar to the one rftek mentioned, just at your side. Really cool cos it happens very suddenly and unexpectedly.


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Posted:I think what you're describing is a wrap. A stall/stop is simply taking the momentum out of your swing and taking it from there whatever way your imagination sees fit.

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Posted:i agree,
stall/stop. [2 of the same but just removal of momentum with out aid of body parts/limbs]
wrap/stall. [variation of wrap]
2 different things to discuss.


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