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Posted:
Anybody got any mpegs or video online of all of this butterfly weave stuff? I would fly out and see all of y'all and demand that you teach me but I'm grounded for a few months or my NYC friends are going to forget who I am...
Anybody got any mpegs or video online of all of this butterfly weave stuff? I would fly out and see all of y'all and demand that you teach me but I'm grounded for a few months or my NYC friends are going to forget who I am...
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
I think I know what this butterfly weave is. Just do a butterfly, and then move it from left to right like you do with a weave. If this is wrong somebody correct me
I think I know what this butterfly weave is. Just do a butterfly, and then move it from left to right like you do with a weave. If this is wrong somebody correct me
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Posted:
my dad said he is buying a digital camara !!!!!!
wheeeeeee
well i hope he does!! so i can make videos!
and i would sent it to you a video of it...
now ummm
i think jo derry does it on his video here in the video section just for like secs..... im not sure gotta check
my dad said he is buying a digital camara !!!!!!
wheeeeeee
well i hope he does!! so i can make videos!
and i would sent it to you a video of it...
now ummm
i think jo derry does it on his video here in the video section just for like secs..... im not sure gotta check
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Posted:
its just an alternate butterfly that you turn back and forth with. say go forward alternate, then turn left to a reverse alternate butterfly then turn back to forward (by alternate I mean the poi pass eachother at 3 and 9 o'clock instead of 12 and 6) and yes, jo derry does it in the videos section, and on col 1
its just an alternate butterfly that you turn back and forth with. say go forward alternate, then turn left to a reverse alternate butterfly then turn back to forward (by alternate I mean the poi pass eachother at 3 and 9 o'clock instead of 12 and 6) and yes, jo derry does it in the videos section, and on col 1
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Posted:
Thats definitely not the Butterfly Weave that Myst was doing when he named the move. I know cuz I was there and watched him do it
Butterfly on either side of the body like a weave with hand movements for the crossing LIKE A WEAVE. most people cross a butterfly with hand movements like a 2 beat weave where one hand always stays on top, this isnt the butterfly weave that Myst did. He did it with the 3-beat movement. Tricky.
Its not just crossing an alternate butterfly...that would be...Crossing an alternate butterfly!
Josh
Thats definitely not the Butterfly Weave that Myst was doing when he named the move. I know cuz I was there and watched him do it
Butterfly on either side of the body like a weave with hand movements for the crossing LIKE A WEAVE. most people cross a butterfly with hand movements like a 2 beat weave where one hand always stays on top, this isnt the butterfly weave that Myst did. He did it with the 3-beat movement. Tricky.
Its not just crossing an alternate butterfly...that would be...Crossing an alternate butterfly!
Josh
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Posted:
I'm still trying to get my head around this move.
Would I be right in thinking that it's pretty similar to an alternate crossover thread-the-needle?
I'm still trying to get my head around this move.
Would I be right in thinking that it's pretty similar to an alternate crossover thread-the-needle?
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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old hand
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Posted:
NYC give me an address, and ill send you that and th e5-beat butterfly weave...
oh yeah and anything else that i can help with just let me know...
[ 16 September 2002, 23:39: Message edited by: pozee ]
NYC give me an address, and ill send you that and th e5-beat butterfly weave...
oh yeah and anything else that i can help with just let me know...
[ 16 September 2002, 23:39: Message edited by: pozee ]
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Posted:
Would be nice if you can sent me a copy as well.
Possible?
Please, please...
Loola
Would be nice if you can sent me a copy as well.
Possible?
Please, please...
Loola
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Posted:
You guy's sure the butterfly weave is not the TTN weave like Bassman posted in his great thread on Split-Time TTN?
You guy's sure the butterfly weave is not the TTN weave like Bassman posted in his great thread on Split-Time TTN?
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Posted:
You could look at it that way, it's more of a timing thing.
You could look at it that way, it's more of a timing thing.
NYC
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Posted:
I'm bumpin' this up... Someone who knows how to do it with a camera get somethin' online so we can all stop talking about it and see it.
Pleeeeeeeeze!
I'm bumpin' this up... Someone who knows how to do it with a camera get somethin' online so we can all stop talking about it and see it.
Pleeeeeeeeze!
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Posted:
does anyone have webspace that can host a video of this?
i have a couple of clips of people doing (what i consider to be) a butterfly weave but no-where to upload to...
and just to confuse things, although the hands do have to make the one-over-the-other three-beat-weave pattern, can't you do a butterfly weave four ways?
as far as i know you can do: 1. start FORWARDS split-time butterfly on RHS, move right hand to lhs OVER left arm, 2. start FORWARDS split-time butterfly on RHS, move right hand to lhs UNDER left arm, and then the same two variations starting with the BACKWARDS split-time butterfly on the RHS.
stop me if i'm wrong!
[ 24 October 2002, 04:01: Message edited by: coleman ]
does anyone have webspace that can host a video of this?
i have a couple of clips of people doing (what i consider to be) a butterfly weave but no-where to upload to...
and just to confuse things, although the hands do have to make the one-over-the-other three-beat-weave pattern, can't you do a butterfly weave four ways?
as far as i know you can do: 1. start FORWARDS split-time butterfly on RHS, move right hand to lhs OVER left arm, 2. start FORWARDS split-time butterfly on RHS, move right hand to lhs UNDER left arm, and then the same two variations starting with the BACKWARDS split-time butterfly on the RHS.
stop me if i'm wrong!
[ 24 October 2002, 04:01: Message edited by: coleman ]
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Posted:
NYC
I'm on the case. I haven't got a clip to hand, but I can make one.
Meantime you want me to e-mail something else to keep you're head busy.
NYC
I'm on the case. I haven't got a clip to hand, but I can make one.
Meantime you want me to e-mail something else to keep you're head busy.
NYC
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Posted:
Email away! (I'll PM my email to you...)
Email away! (I'll PM my email to you...)
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
Sounds like you guys are discussing the simple Bf crossover... I always thought the Bf weave was when you put an extra beat on the inside of your arms during the cross over..?
Sounds like you guys are discussing the simple Bf crossover... I always thought the Bf weave was when you put an extra beat on the inside of your arms during the cross over..?
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Posted:
JOSH, you happen to be about the only one who is correct on this thread, that is the move!
And along with pozee, I'll try and sent a vid of that and the 4 and 5 beat bf weave.
And by the way, sorry I've been gone so long everyone. Don't worry though I got new moves and a great new beginning for my Sinature moves thread.
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JOSH, you happen to be about the only one who is correct on this thread, that is the move!
And along with pozee, I'll try and sent a vid of that and the 4 and 5 beat bf weave.
And by the way, sorry I've been gone so long everyone. Don't worry though I got new moves and a great new beginning for my Sinature moves thread.
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Posted:
Has a video of this gone up yet? I have been trying to get the butterfly weave for a couple of weeks now. I learn't the forward and reverse TTN and now am playing around with how I am swapping these from side to side but so far I have found three different points at which I could do this with varying beats on either side. All look pretty cool but I would like to know what the accepted butterfly-weave really is
Cheers
Rob
Has a video of this gone up yet? I have been trying to get the butterfly weave for a couple of weeks now. I learn't the forward and reverse TTN and now am playing around with how I am swapping these from side to side but so far I have found three different points at which I could do this with varying beats on either side. All look pretty cool but I would like to know what the accepted butterfly-weave really is
Cheers
Rob
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Posted:
there is a video of jo derry doing a butterfly weave. It is floating around in cyberspace as we speak. poiinhtepark had it posted for a while, so do a few other web sites.
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https://jez.i8.com/index.html
https://jez.i8.com/Jo-5bt-bfl-weave.wmv
there is a video of jo derry doing a butterfly weave. It is floating around in cyberspace as we speak. poiinhtepark had it posted for a while, so do a few other web sites.
"why I should stick my neck out for you is quite beyond my capacity"
https://jez.i8.com/index.html
https://jez.i8.com/Jo-5bt-bfl-weave.wmv
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Posted:
Flid has a real good 1 imo. And its on fire, u can usually find him in the chat rm.
Flid has a real good 1 imo. And its on fire, u can usually find him in the chat rm.
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Posted:
Josh is spot on with what he's said.
It is doing butterflys with the weave hand motions / beat patterns. You can do 3 or 5 beat (which means I guess 7 is possible)
You need to be proficient with TTN on both sides for 3 bt and 4bt TTN on both sides for 5 bt.
Have fun.
Jo.
Josh is spot on with what he's said.
It is doing butterflys with the weave hand motions / beat patterns. You can do 3 or 5 beat (which means I guess 7 is possible)
You need to be proficient with TTN on both sides for 3 bt and 4bt TTN on both sides for 5 bt.
Have fun.
Jo.
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Posted:
What is the TTN weave I have heard people talk about then? Just more exagerated TTN hand movements or what?
also https://video.fire-chains.com/basics.avi
theres the butterfly weave with fire that dragon mentioned, performed by flid.
What is the TTN weave I have heard people talk about then? Just more exagerated TTN hand movements or what?
also https://video.fire-chains.com/basics.avi
theres the butterfly weave with fire that dragon mentioned, performed by flid.
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Posted:
TTN weave = butterfly weave
(I think...)
Jo.
TTN weave = butterfly weave
(I think...)
Jo.
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Posted:
Ok, I just need a little clarification. When you say 3, 5, 7 beats for the BF weave, do you mean on each side or total? Because for some reason I can only do a full bf weave in odd numbers.
Ok, I just need a little clarification. When you say 3, 5, 7 beats for the BF weave, do you mean on each side or total? Because for some reason I can only do a full bf weave in odd numbers.
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Posted:
Also, I noticed that when I do the BF weave, the same arm is on top when I cross over in both directions. Is that how it is supposed to be or does the top arm alternate? I cant help feeling Im doing this move wrong even though it looks correct. Would be a huge help if someone could post a vido of just straight up normal BF weave. Ive seen quite a few videos with variations or mixed in with other stuff but it doesnt help much. Someone with the ability please post a vid for this move
Also, I noticed that when I do the BF weave, the same arm is on top when I cross over in both directions. Is that how it is supposed to be or does the top arm alternate? I cant help feeling Im doing this move wrong even though it looks correct. Would be a huge help if someone could post a vido of just straight up normal BF weave. Ive seen quite a few videos with variations or mixed in with other stuff but it doesnt help much. Someone with the ability please post a vid for this move
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Posted:
Royal,
There's a few vids floating around. See the links earlier in the discussion.
It sounds like you're doing either 2 or 4 beat bf weave if the same hand is on top (probably 2).
Watch your hands when you do it. They should be doing EXACTLY the same as they do in the weave, beat-wise.
I wouldn't worry too much about this move though because, like you said, it looks right whether you're doing it right or not. There's probably only a few dozen people on the planet that would notice the difference anyway.
Jo.
Royal,
There's a few vids floating around. See the links earlier in the discussion.
It sounds like you're doing either 2 or 4 beat bf weave if the same hand is on top (probably 2).
Watch your hands when you do it. They should be doing EXACTLY the same as they do in the weave, beat-wise.
I wouldn't worry too much about this move though because, like you said, it looks right whether you're doing it right or not. There's probably only a few dozen people on the planet that would notice the difference anyway.
Jo.
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Posted:
I love reading all these different interpretations/definitions, we're probably all doing something very simular but its soo hard to tell
Well, going with the butterfly weave or butterfly crossovers, I've been playing around with behind the back butterfly crossovers. It's going fairly well, though I need to clean it up a bit. Behind the back ttn crossovers sounds fun, that'll be my next step With all this butterfly play I've been neglecting my btb weave turning, I almost had it cleanly but than I went back to the butterfly family .
I love reading all these different interpretations/definitions, we're probably all doing something very simular but its soo hard to tell
Well, going with the butterfly weave or butterfly crossovers, I've been playing around with behind the back butterfly crossovers. It's going fairly well, though I need to clean it up a bit. Behind the back ttn crossovers sounds fun, that'll be my next step With all this butterfly play I've been neglecting my btb weave turning, I almost had it cleanly but than I went back to the butterfly family .
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Posted:
so far, it seems as if everyone else (posting) here learned the non-crossover (2-beat) version first. is this right? i had been doing the crossover (aka TTN, aka 3-beat) butterfly change for about nine months before i even realized that a non-crossover version was possible! i guess that shows how much i butterfly. then again, i 2-beated by default in corkscrew plane (horizontal) butterflying without realizing the difference, so maybe i should've just paid more attention.
now, just to confuse the terminology for "crossover", if you transfer from forward wall bfly to behind the head (angel wings), in the non-TTN version, the top hand becomes the bottom hand anyways! i think that's how i must have gotten into doing the crossover bfly weave before the 2-beat version.
i have to say that that 5-beat video from jo definitely impressed me. i've got to get that move down next. you might want to disclaimer that (look, i invented a verb! ) though, cuz the second half is all chase weave, and newbies might not catch on to that at first.
by "newb", i of course mean "me".
--Dut
so far, it seems as if everyone else (posting) here learned the non-crossover (2-beat) version first. is this right? i had been doing the crossover (aka TTN, aka 3-beat) butterfly change for about nine months before i even realized that a non-crossover version was possible! i guess that shows how much i butterfly. then again, i 2-beated by default in corkscrew plane (horizontal) butterflying without realizing the difference, so maybe i should've just paid more attention.
now, just to confuse the terminology for "crossover", if you transfer from forward wall bfly to behind the head (angel wings), in the non-TTN version, the top hand becomes the bottom hand anyways! i think that's how i must have gotten into doing the crossover bfly weave before the 2-beat version.
i have to say that that 5-beat video from jo definitely impressed me. i've got to get that move down next. you might want to disclaimer that (look, i invented a verb! ) though, cuz the second half is all chase weave, and newbies might not catch on to that at first.
by "newb", i of course mean "me".
--Dut
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Hey Dut,
I believe the thread in which that video was originally posted contained wording explaining just that.
I put the 4 beat windmill and 5 beat weave moves in there as they all have very similar wrist postions and there didn't seem to be much video documentation of the former.
Hey Dut,
I believe the thread in which that video was originally posted contained wording explaining just that.
I put the 4 beat windmill and 5 beat weave moves in there as they all have very similar wrist postions and there didn't seem to be much video documentation of the former.
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Posted:
sweet.. finally.. I got a vid to watch to learn that move I was seeing but didn't understand.. I've been kind running my head into a wall trying to do that from a weave.. I never noticed the butterfly parts... *doh* ahwell.. I guess I'm goign to have to go back and figure out the TTN... bleh.. now I just need to figure out an easy way to do my windmills... for some reason I got 4 beat corkscrew (f and rev) from the forward 5 beat weave.. and I'm working on tt4ransitioning into them from a rev 5 beat weave.. but the windmill thing is killing me.. at least 4 (or would it be 5 beat windmills I'm not real sure since a 4 beat cork is a 5 beat weave.. ) apart from corkscrews and butterflies, I can't get the poi over my head without trying to go -through- my head
sweet.. finally.. I got a vid to watch to learn that move I was seeing but didn't understand.. I've been kind running my head into a wall trying to do that from a weave.. I never noticed the butterfly parts... *doh* ahwell.. I guess I'm goign to have to go back and figure out the TTN... bleh.. now I just need to figure out an easy way to do my windmills... for some reason I got 4 beat corkscrew (f and rev) from the forward 5 beat weave.. and I'm working on tt4ransitioning into them from a rev 5 beat weave.. but the windmill thing is killing me.. at least 4 (or would it be 5 beat windmills I'm not real sure since a 4 beat cork is a 5 beat weave.. ) apart from corkscrews and butterflies, I can't get the poi over my head without trying to go -through- my head
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oh.. and I just noticed that I soooo topic hopped in mypost.. sorry about that..
oh.. and I just noticed that I soooo topic hopped in mypost.. sorry about that..
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Posted:
Hey Rev,
that windmill would be a 4 beat
normal 2 beat windmill with an extra beat both sides.
I'm sure that a 5 or even 6 is possible with practice but ugly as hell like the 6 and 7 beat weave.
Hey Rev,
that windmill would be a 4 beat
normal 2 beat windmill with an extra beat both sides.
I'm sure that a 5 or even 6 is possible with practice but ugly as hell like the 6 and 7 beat weave.
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