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"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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quote:just as a really big number...
Originally posted by Matthew B-M:
How else would you think about it?
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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quote:Right, but you can't, because it's not a "really big number", it's infinitely big. And there's your problem. So you get weird effects. Calculus is all about the limits as things tend to infinity (or to finite points where infinities would occur), and is vital to being able to do large amounts of modern physics. "0/0" is meaningless out of context, but "the limit as x tends to 0 of x/x is going to be different to "the limit as x tends to 0 of sin(x)/x" and so on. Both of those terms are finite at x=0, despite being uncalculable at that point, because you get infinities involved.
Originally posted by oli:
quote:just as a really big number...
Originally posted by Matthew B-M:
How else would you think about it?
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I do poi nearly every day. But it's not like I'm addicted or anything. I mean, sure, I am always conscious of exactly where my poi are at all times, but I'm not obsessed. um.. Anyone have the number for Poi-ers Anon?
I do poi nearly every day. But it's not like I'm addicted or anything. I mean, sure, I am always conscious of exactly where my poi are at all times, but I'm not obsessed. um.. Anyone have the number for Poi-ers Anon?
quote:Alrighty then
Originally posted by SlightlySinged:
(I would love to hear a counter argument for the infinite universe theory - don't be shy to try and shoot me down!!!)
quote:No. Infinite size does not mean infinite mass. Saying the universe is infinite just means that it doesn't have boundaries. You can go as far as you like in any direction and never hit the brick wall at the end of the universe. It doesn't mean that it's full of an infinite amount of stuff.
If the universe is of infinite size, then that means infinite possiblities. Saying there is finite mass but infinite size is silly - how would you ever know there is finite size - you will never get to the end of the universe to find out.
quote:No you don't. That's the basis of Xeno's paradox (the one with the Tortoise that reckons it can outrun arrows). You never get zero, you just get really really really small numbers. Zero isn't just a really small number. That's like saying infinity is just a big number
Halve any number an infinite number of times, and you theoretically get zero.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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quote:hello, i'm 'someone' i think.
Originally posted by SlightlySinged:
Someone said if you have a ring of balls, and every 10th one is a different colour, and you walk around the ring and infinite number of times, then you will count out a 1/10 fraction of infitity.
quote:compare and contrast.
Originally posted by coleman:
a good example of this type of idea of infinity in the real world is a ring of 100 juggling balls with 1 of them being orange with blue spots (the other 99 being red lets say).
we are then allowed to walk around this ring but have no outside references or indication of where on it we are.
if we then count the number of orange balls we pass against the red balls we tend towards a 1:99. ratio
quote:to which you replied:
Originally posted by coleman:
to realise why this fraction is meaningless outside of your hypothetical infinite juggling ball factory, consider taking all the orange balls away.
now you have an infinite amount of orange balls with blue spots and an infinite amount of red balls.
quote:is it me or is there an argumentative echo in here
Originally posted by SlightlySinged:
You CAN, however, have a RATIO, which when talking about infinity, is a different animal. The ratio of blue to orange is 1:10. As soon as you seperate the blue balls from the orange balls, and say that's 1/10 of infitiy, what you actually have is an infinite number of blue balls. If you then add the blue balls with the orange balls, you won't be able to work out the fraction, since you will simply have an infinite number of blue balls and an infinite number of orange balls. You won't even be able to work out the ratio.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew B-M:
Not quite true. The thing about xeno's paradox is that you get closer and closer to a time when the arrow hits. Time doesn't actually work like that, so the arrow hits the tortoise. This means that SlightlySinged is in fact correct.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
I do poi nearly every day. But it's not like I'm addicted or anything. I mean, sure, I am always conscious of exactly where my poi are at all times, but I'm not obsessed. um.. Anyone have the number for Poi-ers Anon?
quote:i do it all the time
Originally posted by SlightlySinged:
hahaha Sorry, Coleman, I didn't read your post very well, obviously
quote:you could consider the universe as finite if you go back to the old ideas of toroidal structure and so on.
Okay, so if the universe is of finite size, what's one meter further away?
quote:your logic here is questionable in the extreme - what is the justification for this statement?
If the universe is of infinite size, then it must be of infinite mass.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
I do poi nearly every day. But it's not like I'm addicted or anything. I mean, sure, I am always conscious of exactly where my poi are at all times, but I'm not obsessed. um.. Anyone have the number for Poi-ers Anon?
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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