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Posted:pele and NYC (as your both americans)..... what was all the fuss about with the "chads" incident??? i never really paid much attention to it at the time but it was something along the lines of they had to re-count the ballots so many times as there was lots of confusion about the results of the election.
Posted:I've never heard the Votomatics called Chad. Just the little hole punches, which are also from any hole punch thingy, not just voting. It screwed me up. Sorry. :blush:
That was 2000 in Florida with the vote for Bush's first term.
The media stated twice who the winner was *before* realizing that the votes in Florida were so close they needed to be recounted (First they said Gore, then they said Bush THEN they called recount). Bush *didn't* win the Popular Vote (that of the people) but did win the Electoral College vote (the politicians) and so won based on that.
Anyway, Gore called for *manual* recount in three counties, Bush sued stating that the machined recount picked up on innaccuracies and the US Supreme Court had to waste thier time on this, tell Florida to stop all recount process due to lack of spotted inaccuracies and told Florida to just issue the statement of the winner.
Part of the problem is that many in the media assumed that all of Florida polls closed at 7. They didn't. That is where the inaccurate assumptions and announcement came from with them.
Then there is no standardized voting in Florida. There were inaccurately filled out and over 100,000 missing Absentee Ballots. Jeb Bush was governer so that came into question. Gov't issued road blocks were put up in mostly democratic counties (Bush is republican). The State Secratary came under investigation because she did alot of underhanded things supporting Bush. A man who had been ousted from mayoral status on Vote Fraud charges was actually working for the Bush campaign in dealing with absentee ballots, and actually filled in some of the absentee ballots. Bush's cousin was working for the media, was speaking with the Bush's on the phone and is the one who told the media to claim Florida Bush country. My favorite: The Republican Party paid to bring in protesters from other states to protest the recount.
One of the counties in Florida have "butterfly ballots". Lists on two sides, set up symmetrically, and where punch holes are utilized. They found when looking at these that there was an inordinate amount of votes for candidate Buchanan, and think that people, not understanding how these ballots work, voted for Buchanon instead of Gore...who was in a similar line, but due to hole placement would have allowed someone who was thinking they were voting for Gore to actually vote for Buchanan and never know it. Thus, this form of ballot has been seriously scrutinized since.
The thing is, I think if they were to investigate the vote in ANY state, they would find underhanded and dirty politics like this. It was just looked into in Florida because it was too close and I think because Bush had too many relatives and blatant supporters for Gore to allow it to just go.
And just so you know, I'm not sure if anyone is aware of how voting is supposed to work here but the rough outline of it is...people vote. That is the popular vote. The electoral college are state politicians. They are *supposed* to represent the popular vote and they are actually what determines the winner (for anyone who wants to smack me down for leaving out this or that, I said this was the rough outline ie: grade school summary). The fact that that does not happen, probably more than we know, is what makes Americans not believe at all in the voting system.
Did that help ravehead?
Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir "Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall "And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK