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Posted: 16th Sep 2006
I tangle the heads (as you describe), and then make circles/paterns around my head with the wicks. I can't describe the knot that I use (it is a simple knot though), but I untangle it by isolating the poi heads. I untangle into a weave.

I like the idea of swinging tangled wicks aroung with 1 hand. The knot that I use untangles whenever I try it though.

'n Boer maak 'n plan.

Posted: 16th Sep 2006
Hmmm i dont know how to explain the knot I use but if i say put one on top of the other one?! Does it help?

One cool thing is when you have them in one hand and do a neckwrap and while having the chain around your neck you put your handle in the mouth. Now you swing them both with your mouth and do one more neckwrap and when it comes out you reliese it and they go apart and catch them.

So hard to explain but its a pretty awesome move

//Thomas

Posted: 16th Sep 2006
sounds like suicides - i normally do them as an air wrap then just release one of the handles depending on where the poi wrapped you can keep them together for quite a long time

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Posted: 17th Sep 2006
The only problem with doing this is that if your knot comes undone somehow while your swinging it around, the loose poi may go flying off into the audience or surrounding objects.

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Posted: 18th Sep 2006
Accidents happens, however ive never failed doing this (except when I found it and practiced the right knot and more).

The knot I use when doing this could come undone but only if I swing fast and I never do that and if it does it only fly straight up.



I do alot of throws/tossing but I never do them in shows or when having an audience if I havent practiced enough, or I feel that the trick isn`t 100%.



I will make a vid and put up when doing this throw so you se what I mean.



But hey security first, ALWAYS!



//Thomas
EDITED_BY: like my poi, my heart is on fire (1158568001)

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 19th Sep 2006
Ive been playing with these a lot recently.. You beat me to the topic Saltzor

Anyway.. I use a simple knot - poi over poi.. Like when you mess up a hyperloop and pull the chains apart.. It can be done left over right or right over left. The important thing to notice is, that one poi is in front of the chain, one behind and both NOT at a right angle relative to the chains but slightly turned. The side depends on which poi is up and/or down.

You can do a lot of diabolo moves this way - suns, suicides, stalls.. 1 poi stuff.. Play around

Anyway, the exits.. Say the poi head is turned left.. You can:

1: Do a suicide as written above. Sometimes it happens that when you catch the handle the poi do not untangle.. So do another one I have yet to find out how this happens, point is how the knot turns in the suicide..

WARNING: The suicide works differently for different poi! For some the loose poi gets loose from the knot and thrown(socks), sometimes it does not untangle at all(cathedral at least for me). Depends on poi head and chain and also on how you attach them together.

2: While holding both poi, flick the knot towards your R shoulder by pulling your hands apart, over your R hand. The chain line has to pass between the poi heads. Then as the heads pass over your hand, put your hands together, poi fall from your shoulder area down along your right side, exit is a follow time swing.

3: Still holding poi, pull your hands apart and flick poi head all the way up, as it passes between your hands pull them together again and as the poi is at the top, cross hands as much as you can so that LEFT hand goes under (or in front), poi should untangle into a crossed arms butterfly..

4: Both poi in one hand. Swing so that poi is horisontal, then quickly push your hand over the knot so that one head passes between the poi chains. Ive yet to determine the L/R symmetry

Videos are somewhere deep in the videos-to-do queue.. If you ask nicely I can do them sooner

And yes boss, I will do some work today just not yet

Smile.. It confuses people..:)

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006
Sweet its exactly the same thing and you explenation are awesome!

Put up a vid and lets if its the same thing, I bet it is!

By the way I forgott my username so i created a new user so Im Saltzor

Something that I found out with my (check if its the same for you) If i tangle the as you say and putting right poi over left one and tart to swing with the right one (reliesing the left) and toss it up it always go apart in the 3:rd spin (if not tossing it up to high and to fast offcourse) and fall in perfectly in both hands.

I dont know how its just working and it bothers my mind

//Thomas

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"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 19th Sep 2006
Aah progressive schizophrenia )

Anyway Ill see what I can do, Ill try to put the vids up tomorrow..

Your suicide kinda looks like a poi-specific case.. Have you tried to do it with different poi?

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Posted: 19th Sep 2006
What do you mean?

Am I stupid or is something ive missed? What is the suicide thingy I do? Write again (in swedish perhaps)

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 19th Sep 2006
Suicide I mean the knot throw.. Coz basically its the same as the diabolo move..

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Posted: 20th Sep 2006
Ahhhh got it

You got a vid yet? Must see I tried to record myseld yesterday but my cellphonevideocamera is the shitiest one ive ever used.

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 20th Sep 2006
Great ideas!

Raven - If you post a vid, please try and show us the knot that you use. It seems like the same one I use, but I'm not sure. I use sock poi, and they seem to untangle during suides. Thanks!

'n Boer maak 'n plan.

Posted: 20th Sep 2006
Put the socks on the floor and put the wicks/balls in a cross and lift them upp, if the tangle goes upp you cant use your sock poi.

I can only use chains with a real wick on them but hey nothing is impossible

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 20th Sep 2006
yea you cant do suicides with socks well.. Or better said if you have the right socks and isolate the suicid very gently then it is kind of possible

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Posted: 20th Sep 2006
Thanks - that is the knot i am using. I still can't get them to stick if I isolate the knot on a suicide.

What does work nicely, is if you throw both poi handles (in a weave direction) while isolationg the tangle. does that make sense?

'n Boer maak 'n plan.

Posted: 21st Sep 2006
WOFT it takes a very slight isolation.. Its more like you are pulling the knot so it doesnt fall apart but its not easy so dont worry

And the throw you mean like the whole tangle is in the air, straight line, center of rotation is the knot..? How come I didnt think of that ) Soo obvious.. Sounds nice also..

BTW..

Knot exits 6 mb, Divx 6
I hope you will be able to reckognize most of the exits.. The rule is, relative to the side the front poi head is tilted to, when just throwing them out you throw on the opposite side(if tilted left throw right)
If you need to cross hands for the vertical throw, then same side hand goes in front(if tilted left - left hand goes to front)
In suicides it does not matter to which side you throw, the knot has to make a half rotation around the chain to unwrap. Its kinda hard to do that intentionally I suppose.. Then again I didnt try much of those yesterday as I had only socks with me

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Posted: 21st Sep 2006
White raven: Thats exactly what I meant in the top when you thow up the whole tangle and it spins in a straight line and you got the wicks in the middle.

And in somehow the tangle goes (my tangle ) up in the 3:rd spin in the air and fall in perfectly in each of my hands again.

I think you see what I mean? Try it, I bet that you will succed the first shoot if you got the tangle alreday?!

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 21st Sep 2006
Yup, thats what I'm talking about. Think of a clock face with the hour and minute hands 180degrees apart chasing eachother. Thank you movie mr white raven. Will comment when it download and I have played:)

'n Boer maak 'n plan.

Posted: 21st Sep 2006
White raven: Your vid shows everything perfectly. Its awesome but try to tos them up and you will se that they go apart.

One more is that you only swing them with one hand (suicide?) and put the other hand behind the back and swing the pois behind so the poi thats tangled in the other one loosen up while you catching it behind the back.

The fun thing is that the audience only se one wick thats on fire and when you spin it behind the they dont se a sh*t and just like that you have 2 burning wicks in each hand.

hate my english but I think you see my point, right?

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 21st Sep 2006
Hmm sure.. Nice ideas.. Ill try them and maybe try another vid.. I forgot to put in some things, especially a great tangle meenik showed me at Ubereurope:

You spin a REW BT, do a double upwards stop in front of you (poi heads stop @ head level, hands at waist, poi basically end up upside down). You stop them so that the chains cross as near to the poi heads as possible.. One poi is again in front, one back here.. You pull the front hand a bit back, the back hand a bit to front and also pull hands apart so that the crossed poi fall into a simple tangle

It can be also done from a normal stop I just dont know how

Hope you understand..

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2006
I understand perfectly and another one I love is when you tangle them like this, it looks awesome.

Stop the poi as you told me and let the chains (close to the wick) fall down in the opposite hand so you got a tangle but audience cant se the tange they only see 2 burning wicks close to each hand and a chaind between the hands and depending on wich one of the chains thats on top, spin left or right and they go untangled in a airwrap/hyperloop.

Got me?

So many funny things.

But the way you explained this tangle you can also do in ordinary butterfly and it get such a good effect cos the people watching get the effect that you messed up untill thay se what happens next. The secret is that you speed upp one of the chains so insted that they pass eachother the one you speed upp tangle the other one and the movement just stop with a tangle infront of you.

So much text

Thanx white raven for all the good things!

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 7th Apr 2007
Finaly I got a vid on this even though we talked about fpr ages ago. I will try to make a better vid that shows different ways to split them up behind the back or in the air and more.




//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 11th Apr 2007
I got introduced to the knottrhow at the Nordic poiconvention (by Thomas ) but i haven't used it very much in till a week ago when i realized that the knot was so much more than the knottthrow. It is a fantastic way to transform the poi to a firefly. it gives the opportunity to pause the spinning and go into something more theatric. it is a easy way into a perfect isolation.

i was experimenting with it yesterday night and i will continue tonight. there is soooo many possibilities!!!

ps. nice video

Posted: 11th Apr 2007
yeah been playing with these over the last few days but alas i havnt tried with fire chains yet but i hope to over the next few days... been playing with the knot though and variations of gettin into it smoothly... also found if kinda barrel roll one arm you can fall into the knot and it looks quite kool heh, its like taking a step backwards and making knots fail.... its like progress through regress

Posted: 11th Apr 2007
Sweet!

"its like progress through regress " AMEN

Keep playing with them. I will (as soon ivè got time) record i video with variation of tangle them together so they will fall out when you eant to. Try to practice stalls on all wasys but where the ends tangle upp, my favorite one is when you tangle them in a butterfly that you stall above your head, looks wicked

Keep practiing and put up a vid if you can.....

//Thomas

"I don´t like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Posted: 11th Apr 2007
i got a small vid done, nothing ground breaking... but its my take on them...and its with socks... ill upload in a while and edit it in

Posted: 11th Apr 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe-hMCi0PA4

theres my take on them

Posted: 29th Apr 2007
thanks splinterific! that video really explained it well. nice & straightforward

For the love of fire.

Posted: 30th Apr 2007
Cheers splinterific. Good vid.
In the first post on this thread Salztzor talked about swinging them around by holding one chain - I've tried that but just end up hitting strangers and animals as one of the poi goes flying off. Were you talking about the same knot Salztzor?

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Posted: 1st May 2007
hey mate, thanks for the comment. yes the constant spin can be done but you need to do an isolation so the head doesnt cross back, quite tough with socks and very tough with firechains...cant just be a straight swing though, has to be isolated. well thats what it seems in my mind unless im missing something