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RicheeBRONZE Member
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Posted:
-DIRECTION

-SPIN & ANTISPIN

-PETAL & FLOWER

-COMPOUND FLOWER



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DIRECTION






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Rule of Poi Direction*



"Poi stay the same direction that we give it, no matter if we turn."



Meens as we start spin Poi the choosen direction, we cant change it.

What we can change is direction of hand.



Ether hand can spin the same direction as Poi, than we spin

or hand can spin opposite direction than Poi,

than we Anti-spin.





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SPIN



If



( left hand and left Poi ) spin foreward & ( right hand and right Poi )

spin foreward and vice versa.



The pattern Poi makes is called....Flower.






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ANTI-SPIN



If ( left hand spin foreward and left Poi backward ) &

( right hand spin foreward and right Poi spin backward)

and vice versa.



Let call the pattern Poi meke....Petal.




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FLOWER






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There are several shapes of flower circles that can be done with one

hand and one Poi.



Lock-out(Fakey) - When we add one circle to the spin before we continue.



Extension - Circle in circle. (thanks Rev)





PETAL






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There are several shapes of petal's circles, than can be done with

one hand and one Poi.



Foil(Leave) - Is one circle of anti-spin.





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COMPOUND FLOWER**



Now, after we found the possibility of spin and anti-spin circles,

we can try to put them togerther.



Spin & Spin






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Giant(long arm) - Here it is quite siple because no matter what

time we spin in the shape did not change and every move we done

is called like that.






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Chasing the sun(moon) - If we spin Poi parallel to each other and add

extra beat(lock-out) to the long arm.



Extension - With one hand extension, other hand long arm.






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Half-flower - Combination of two lock-outs no matter what time

is it.






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Flower - Combination of two half flowers.





Fountain - Flower with 6 circles(two vertical and four diagonal).





Anti-spin & Anti-spin






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Quadrifoil - Hands are moving in sqare.





Spin & Anti-spin



What differ, goofy flower,

where one hand spin and one anti-spin in different plane.

Code:
[Wheel plane(SA)].
from



compound flower,

where both hands spin or anti-spin in same plane.

Code:
[wall plane(SA)]




or



uber flower,

where one hand spin and one anti-spin in same plane.

Code:
[(SA,anti-spin)]
?



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There is missing one, to make a pair with the first.



Flower,

where both hands spin or anti-spin in different plane.

Code:
[wheel plane,?]
[Nx?] flower.



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What is interesting, that all of them are re(a)l.



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For more

-Concentric spinning

-All about flowers (happy birthday ICoN)

-SA(Omnimodus by Spherculist)





* - There is only one way howto, using funtamental family, partial arc(thanks Glass).

** - I will try to put all times clear,



SA - Straight arm.



Rose - Source of previuos image.



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Lot of circles to play with right, just try some,

stay tuned more tocome.



love nad light,



:R

Poi THEO(R)IST


MillenniuMPLATINUM Member
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Posted:
awesome post - lovely stuff to work with

LadyKrystalWebbSILVER Member
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Posted:
Wow, thanks for that. smile

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Posted:
lol, I actually understand this one richee, much better

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Posted:
it made sense to me, and the images was very clear... next thing: animate gifs! ^_^;;

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Posted:
I agree, very clear explanation of things, I could understand it all! thanks! I'll think about flowers in a slightly different way now.

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Posted:
ditto really clear biggrin

this should be linked to from the articles page or something maybe?

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Posted:
wow, wish i read something like this when i started out with the old flowers. to be honest with my flowers and antispin flowers i have always gone for the 4 steps, i never thought of tryng these trifoils. I have always wanted to put 6 steps in it. Think i will be playing with flowers alot more now. biggrin

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Posted:
that's a 10/10 easy to understand post, good work smile

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Posted:
check yo'self trucker boy! ubblol

T wave

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Mr_widdeat my face before i eat yours
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Posted:
can someone tell me how to do a 360 antispin flower? feel a little silly asking but thought i'[d ask before trying, easy way.

RicheeBRONZE Member
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Location: Prague, Czech. Republic


Posted:
Like with other moves you need to clear your forward

and backward anti-spins. This gives you ability to

turn.



If you can do longarm(giant) turns it's much better

to start trying anti-spin ones after. Because the hand

movement in fact the same.



Try fist turn 180 and than 360.



light,



:R

Poi THEO(R)IST


colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
 Written by: nickwidd



i never thought of tryng these trifoils. I have always wanted to put 6 steps in it.





the trifoils turn out to be 6 petal flowers.



each hand does a trifoil.



since your hands are 180 degrees apart at all times, the trifoils are offset from each other by 60 degrees, giving you a flower pattern with 6 petals in total smile



the difference is that the petals don't overlap like in most flower patterns which is beautiful, but comes at no small price - they are super difficult to spin.



butterfly flowers work really well (and feel far more natural for some reason) with each hand actually spinning 6 petals.





very nice post richee - with the help of the diagrams, it makes the main points very clearly.



a couple of definitions i use differently but i won't confuse the issue by going into them here hug





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Posted:
cheers guys, whhicked advise! will start working on these. its odd getting used to the trifoil, very odd as my arms dont want to stop in these new positions. The butterfly flower seems to come naturally to me aswell. alot easer than the normal flowers.

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Posted:
Fantastic post Richee! These 3 lockouts and tri-foils are new to me. Thank you. smile

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Posted:
Awesome post, was wondering if these compound circles(flowers) had any sort of mathematical equation.

astonSILVER Member
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Posted:
They have been modelled using wave equations. smile

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bjrcboyBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Me thinks they just used Polar plots... For instance R=Cos(2*Theta) <- that would be a normal four petal flower with a petal at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock.

astonSILVER Member
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Posted:
Ah. Sorry, got confused with Andy's stuff, which looks like basic wave theory.

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Posted:
They can also be modeled with additive sine waves in x & y.

+Alien Jon