SugarCoatedHellmember
33 posts

Posted:
An accident turns into a move, and you know the rest. I've never seen this move before, or heard anyone make references to it, so I figure its not been done. Just wanted to share.



Horizontal 2 Opposite



You start out in buzzsaw in a vertical plane. Tilt the buzzsaw until it becomes horizontal.



There are 3 'planes' you use in this move. Imagine holding a staff horizontally at your waist level. On the right and left ends of your staff, mentally mark them as plane 1 and 3. Now drop the staff to hip level. In the balance point (middle) of the staff, this is plane 2.



Ok, now it gets hard, there are some odd wrist movements involved, so shaking your wrists out helps me get it smoother. It also helped me to do this one hand at a time till I understood the muscle movements.



Spinning the saw horizontally, you should have one hand above and one below. When you switch planes, your hands switch places, ie right above left becomes left above right.



So in plane one, for an example, your left hand is above your right, and as you make the transition to the 2nd plane, it switched, so now you should have your right above, and as it moves into the 3rd plane, it returns to the origional position.



The beats go like this, 2 beats in 1rst plant, 1 in 2nd plane, and 2 in 3rd plane. After you finish this move, you can return the buzzsaw to a vertical by slowly tilting it upwards.



I hope I made this clear, I tend to be vauge.



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poitasticnewbie
6 posts

Posted:
thats way too vague for me, try getting a video...

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StoutBRONZE Member
Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada


Posted:
I got it, in a nutshell it's the horizontal buzzsaw combination from Mot's place, but moving it from the left side of your body to the right.

I think if you substitute the word positions for the word planes it might be easier to understand because there are no real plane changes here.Basically you have a position on the left, another in the center, and the final on your right.

You may want to try bouncing the poi of your back when they get to the final position, as this sets you up for going back the other way with the same move, bounce them again, and you're back where you started.

This also works vertically too, start at face level with the horiz. buzz. and try to get the poi as close to the ground as you can while bending your knees. I find going down on one knee to be a more stable position, hold it for a few beats, then stand back up.

Also try separating the horiz. buzz. keeping one hand up, and the other down, this will put your arms at a 45 degree angle relative to the horizontal, now switch which hand is up while doing that little flip as your arms pass through the horizontal, and you have the same 45 degree arm position that you had before, just opposite.

Bring the horiz. buzz. back together, and break into that little corkscrew in front of you move ,

SugarCoatedHellmember
33 posts

Posted:
Mmm...I'm trying to think of a better way to explain it. I don't have video equipment readily available.

Ok, so, the postitions...I don't think you can do this move vertically, as your hands would tangle.

Let me try again.

If you drop your hands you your sides, look at your elbows. The level they are at is the places you want to hold it. Where your elbows are, though farther out, consider them positions 1 and 3. Where your belt (if your not wearing pretend) closes, consider this position 2.

From horizontal buzzsaw, hold your poi in plane one. Someone came up with the great idea of pretending your holding a bike tire horizontally, and thats about where it should be. If you did this, one arm would be ontop of the other, which is why you can't do this vertically.

Try one hand at a time. Say we start with your left hand on top. Take the left hand into position 2 and switch it to the lower poi. Then go to positon 3, returning it to the on top position. If you followed this correctly, the right hand would do the oppostite, bottom1, ontop2, bottom3, and the move is completed.

Cute trick with bouncing the off the arm, although it looks messy (as long as I do it anyways).

I think I royally confused all of you.

If there is anything else I can add to clear this up more, I'll do my best.

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DutSILVER Member
lurker
380 posts
Location: Nashville, TN, USA


Posted:
>> I think I royally confused all of you.

you're spot on. dude. stout knows what's up, too. he's saying if you do it as two wheel planes, one chest high, and one waist high, it's seperated, and you can pull it back under next beat and swap it back into the first plane that way.

or you can do it in one wheel plane as two hands on bottom, A on top/B on bottom, A on bottom/B on top, both on top. then you just play with moving A/B around continuously (and 4-beating and isolating around the edges... and inside double wrist wrapping... and doing it all butterfly. biggrin)

it sounds like you have it there with the buzzsaw, and even all 4 sides. that makes you a "good spinner" in my book, if that's worth anything to you. smile the wrapping is fun as hell dude. keep that up if it gets cleaner.

eww. i'm relearing all this shizzle with glowsticks. it's still too tangly even without 4-beating around the edges all the time.

-- dut

SugarCoatedHellmember
33 posts

Posted:
O! Vertical to to horizontal to vertical. I don't know what I thought you where saying, sorry.

I don't understand the inside double wrist wrapping or the 4 beat, but hopefully that comes soon. Aw, and dut, thnx! wink I'm working stouts off the back wrap, but I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by seperation and the on the ground thing, or duts one wheel plane. Sorry guys, I'm still bad at understanding concepts through words myself, but thanks for the great feedback, its looking better all the time.

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MikeIconGOLD Member
Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
I dunno where you guys got the moving from side to side thing. I think SugarCoatedHell is simply talking about turning the horizontal buzzsaw as seen at Mot's:

https://www.motsplace.com/poi/horbuzzcombi.html

Correct me if Im wrong though.

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SugarCoatedHellmember
33 posts

Posted:
Wow, you got that quick. Your pretty close. You start out at your side in position 1, then when you switch the poi like you where doing you move it into the 2nd position, then switch them again and put it into the 3rd.

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StoutBRONZE Member
Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada


Posted:
Yep, learning poi from text can a frustrating endeavour, I've chewed up more pencils sitting here reading some of the threads on this site......

My post was based on a lot of assumptions on my part, based on the fact that SCH was working on the horizontal buzzsaw and had that little " flip " or changing which hand is on top trick,( the one Icon posted) and actually knew what I meant by Mots.

I also assumed SCH could spin the horizontal buzzsaw in both directions which is why I posted that bounce them off the back and take the original " move " back the other way.

Another assumption had me thinking that SCH had also been exploring turning with the horizontal buzzsaw and that making a straight horizontal line from the left side of her body to the right was a new novelty.

The "move" illustrated in the original post does work, however I would hesitate to call it a move as such, I would tend to lump it into the ' cool things to do with the horizontal buzzsaw" category.

That's why I posted those other suggestions, more cool things to do.

But is does work vertically, picture the illusion of creating a pillar in front of you with your poi, it's just a matter of repeating that little flip as you move your poi closer to the ground. You can go from say,, head height, to just above the ground, bending your legs of course. I suppose you could do this by just bending at the waist,,,but I can't

Then there's turning the horizontal buzzsaw in the direction on the way the poi are spinning, and antispin, another idea that I assumed SCH had explored, because that bounce off the back only works if it's done in the direction of poi spin. Maybe it works with antispin,,but I haven't figured it out,,,yet.

The word planes has a very specific meaning in poi spinning terminology, that's why I suggested substituting the word position, as technically, everything I posted above all happens with the poi spinning in the same planes.

SugarCoatedHellmember
33 posts

Posted:
Edit: Your assumptions are right, so I don't see what the problem is...



Nice ideas tho.
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~ She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success, wrong by wrong. ~


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