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Prometheus


Prometheus

Diamond In The Rough
Location: Richmond, Virginia

Total posts: 459
Posted:I know there are many people, even some on this board, who think that airport security is absoutely necessary. They feel we are taking adequate precautions against anyone getting on board one of our civilian aircraft with a deadly weapon. They think that the x-raying of belongings, the metal detectors, the drug-sniffing dogs, the removing of shoes and patting down of old ladies is proving an effective weapon against terrorism.

Not.

Over the weekend, I went on a short plane ride to Baltimore. Upon arriving at the Buffalo International airport, I obediently removed my shoes, my watch, my belt, sunglasses, cel phone and keys, relinquished my carry-on baggage to a stranger, and walked through the state-of-the-art metal detector. No alarms, no flashing lights, I'm free to go. After dressing myself for the second time that day, I board the plane and fly into Baltimore/Washington International Airport. I arrived at my hotel and I began going through my carry-on bag. Whilst rummaging to the bottom, I discovered my 4-inch, stainless steel, lockblade knife. eek I didn't intentionally pack it. I had used the same bag a week earlier to go camping, and must have left it in by mistake.

If I can accidentally get a razor-sharp knife through our much-praised homeland security, is the trillion-dollar price tag really worth it? confused


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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)

Total posts: 5967
Posted:ubblol

Yep... just goes to show.

There is no possible way to protect against attack - but these things are a deterant.

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flash fire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia

Total posts: 2758
Posted:An acquaintance of mine got pulled up at Sydney Airport. A harmless looking business man in suit, with overnight bag small enough for carry-on.

The security guy asks him to "please come this way" then proceeded to go through his belongings and whatnot. My friend asked why he was being searched, to which the security guy said "We have to search a certain number of people each day and you look like the type who wouldn't mind and won't abuse me for doing my job...."

What a farce.


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Bwahahahaha!!! Only you!

Does this mean I get to pat you down for it when we go camping next weekend? devil

I've taken a corkscrew on a plane that was in my purse that I forgot was there. Nothing.
I've had a pointy, metal nail file that a theme park told me to remove from my purse because it could be used as a weapon allowed on the plane.
I've taken lighters, two of them, on a plane when they were supposed to be contraban (I didn't know it until I got off the plane though) and could very easily have purchased a bottle of vodka and lit something up.
On my way to and from NZ I was given *real* (meaning metal) eating utensils for my dinner on the plane.

I think the bells and whistles are stupid, but I don't care as long as I am not late for my plane and as long as they do it to everyone else too.

Glad yer home...I'm going to call you tonite...fair warning! wink


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
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Spiderbaby
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

Spiderbaby

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Location: , Ireland

Total posts: 199
Posted:Something similar happened to me. I went to thailand with a razor blade in my mobile phone cover.
The phone was x-rayed in 2 airports and nothing showed up. I only noticed after i arrived. Ther phone was in my pocket so i could have taken it out during the flight and slit somone open.

btw the razor blade is always in my phone cover as an always be prepared kind of thing.


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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom

Total posts: 3136
Posted:Written by:
I know there are many people, even some on this board, who think that airport security is absoutely necessary



I think it is, but agree it's crap at the moment. We flew to Holland from Coventry in the UK a couple of months ago. Upon arrival in the UK there was no checks other than passport control. There were getting onto the flight, but I was getting into a taxi home within 10 mins of the plane touching down. Going into Holland at a big (dare I say proper) airport it was much more rigerous.


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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)

Total posts: 4145
Posted:I had a knife in my bag when I was flying to Cyprus... took it into work the day before to peel an orange and forgot it was there. Noone at Glasgow airport found it, but the guys in Prague where I changed planes did.

He asked me to look at my bag, and usually people take my keys for a knife (don't ask me why) or want to see my insulin pen, so I wasn't too worried, until he pulled out the knife ubblol

I told him to keep it and made some nice comments on how Czech security was far superior to Scottish, so he just smiled and let me off smile


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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom

Total posts: 3136
Posted:My sister (bless) couldn't understand what the problem was with taking one of the presents she got at christmas as hand luggage on the plane back to jersey with her. A full box set of cutterly. Ummmm.....

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Kyrian


Dreamer
Location: York, England

Total posts: 4308
Posted:You can take butter knives at least, I discovered this at one point when i had wanted to have silverware handy.. Yes, my nail clippers and tweezers get taken. They searched my because I had twisty hair ornaments (They were "suspiciously like corckscrews").

But I've taken razors on numerous times by accident, and all that other good stuff. But they took away my swiss army card because of the scissors. Dude, I mean, those things cut paper, but they're less than an inch long and probably cannot cut flesh....


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NOn


activist for HoPper liberation.
Location: ffidrac

Total posts: 1643
Posted:i had my umbrella taken off me from hand luggage, i don't know what bthey thought i was going to do with it, it was small and collapsible... and dead cheap, they wouldn't even let me leave it at the airport, it got packed into the hold luggage seperately and turned up on the doorstep courtesy of british airways the next day..... but i was in venice airport recently and they were being well strict, getting people to take off their shoes and all jewellery and practically strip naked.... well ok, not THAT bad....

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Sethis
BRONZE Member since May 2005

Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University, United Kingdo...

Total posts: 1762
Posted:The whole thing seems a little big silly because you if you can easily kill someone with a ball-point pen, what's the point in confiscating their tweezers and nail files? It's good to stop people going on with 8" knives and molotov cocktails, but please, let me keep my tweezers in my toilet bag. smile

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Skittish


Skittish

member
Location: Near to Yeovil, In Somerset

Total posts: 64
Posted:When i went to australia, i stopped off in singapore airport to refuel, coincidentally, so did the plane... i digress, anyway most of the security officers were asleep so we probably could have got on the plane with anything.

So what your saying is, if I take just ONE more pill...

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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)

Total posts: 4145
Posted:I said this before in another thread... what use is it to stop people taking nail files and spray deodorants but encourage them to buy glass bottles of high % alcohol and perfumes in duty free? confused

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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Sethis
BRONZE Member since May 2005

Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University, United Kingdo...

Total posts: 1762
Posted:I thought they didn't like spray deoderents because they are pressurised containers, rather than their flammability?

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NOn


activist for HoPper liberation.
Location: ffidrac

Total posts: 1643
Posted:Written by: Sethis

The whole thing seems a little big silly because you if you can easily kill someone with a ball-point pen



That seemed to roll off the tongue pretty easily.... how would you come to know something like that sethis wink ubblol


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Sethis
BRONZE Member since May 2005

Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University, United Kingdo...

Total posts: 1762
Posted:I watched Grosse Point Blanc. tongue

Anyone else see this amazing film? Actually... that's WAY off topic so maybe not... It's an ace opening scene with the cyclist... ubblol


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NOn


activist for HoPper liberation.
Location: ffidrac

Total posts: 1643
Posted:ah-hah, i have seen it, i don't remember that part.... if only, then i'd know how to kill someone with a biro....

there's that thing with the icicle too, perfect murder weapon and all that, i wonder if they'd let you on a plane with an icicle..... ubbloco


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Sethis
BRONZE Member since May 2005

Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University, United Kingdo...

Total posts: 1762
Posted:Nah, icicle leaves a big hole...

Much better to inject a syringe of air into someone's bloodstream through the artery/vein in their groin... Whoops, I guess I've been thinking about this too much wink


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Sporky


Sporky

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Location: Glasgow

Total posts: 663
Posted:Or you could catch the artery in their leg with just about anything that is even remotely sharp. The blood will hit the opposite side of a 747 cabin. Hell, if you were psycho enough you could get ceramic blades on a plane easily or even have a garotte in your belt or hat brim...

Have faith in what you can do and respect for what you can't

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:The air thing takes alot more than just a syringe full. I learned that when I was in the hospital. biggrin

Loved Grosse Point Blank. We have it on DVD.

Hell, I have a bunch of patches on the bag I use as a carry on held on with really big and very sharp safety pins...and a pocket in it full of pens.

Huh...wonder if chewing gum, a ball point pen, and nail polish will be banned next. I mean, I think I saw McGuyver use them to blow something up once. wink

My understanding for all aerosal cans was because they are pressurized as well.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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linden rathen
GOLD Member since Mar 2005

linden rathen

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: London, UK

Total posts: 6942
Posted:i think nail clippers have to be one of the hardest things to hurt someone with

much worse would be a shattered bit of plastic like a snapped ball point


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Sdrawkcab
BRONZE Member since May 2005

newbie
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Ki...

Total posts: 21
Posted:funniest one ive had so far, my da went over to america (travels a lot as part of his job) and had recently (at the time) been to ireland and saudi arabi. so all this is on his passport.

On his return journey he gets pulled into a room and all his stuff searched etc.

Once they clear him to leave he asked for his passport back and someone had STOLE it while they were searching him!!

As far as i know since 9/11 he's the only person to get out of the states on his UK driving liscence ooooops


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Written by: Sethis

Nah, icicle leaves a big hole...

Much better to inject a syringe of air into someone's bloodstream through the artery/vein in their groin... Whoops, I guess I've been thinking about this too much wink



Yeah, because it's REAL easy to get a needle into a blood vessel on a struggling person.

Trust me, I have to get needles into screaming, squirming, fighting kids all the time. It usually requires three nurses to hold them down. It's not the sort of thing one can casually walk up to someone and do


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Julie2022


Julie2022

member
Location: Little Rock, AR

Total posts: 145
Posted:What's the point of confiscating weapons if someone can kill with their own hands - no weapons necessary.

Pretty soon they'll have all the passengers flying naked - and even then people will manage to sneak things onboard with them.

Ah - As in the way of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, there'd be blades in those socks!

Back on subject - my actual opinion as to whether it's a mental illness...I wouldn't say illness, I'd say it's a dependency. Chemical or otherwise. And all dependencies can be interrupted and fought, or made worse.

There might be fact to it all - but who am I to say so? Everyone is influenced by their own lives - and my parent's "christian" way of bringing me up just deterred me from ever wanting to attend church again, or from being able to tolerate it from my family altogether.

In my first hand experience - "Religious" (christian or otherwise) people can be so full of it that they will stop at nothing to negate you and your way of thinking just to boost their egos and make themselves "feel right in the eyes of whatever higher being." But - as is true to everything - not all of them are like that....Anyway.....


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The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.

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Sethis
BRONZE Member since May 2005

Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University, United Kingdo...

Total posts: 1762
Posted:Wrong thread methinks...

Doc: Well you just make sure that they're asleep first, then "Jab, push, scream, die" Although discussing ways to kill people on a PG rated board I think is a bit iffy, even if I did start it wink

Pele: How much more than a syringeful? biggrin (I'm playing)

Sdrawkcab: I shouldn't really laugh, as that's tragic, but ubblol all the same.


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jarofgreen


member
Location: Reading, England

Total posts: 26
Posted:Written by:
Pretty soon they'll have all the passengers flying naked - and even then people will manage to sneak things onboard with them.

Ah - As in the way of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, there'd be blades in those socks!



offtopic, but why do people have a definition of being naked that involves wearing socks?


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Eera
BRONZE Member since May 2003

old hand
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Austral...

Total posts: 1107
Posted:I've been to a couple of airports where you get through all the screening, and then can buy eight inch knives in the duty free shops which they are more then happy to give you to put in hand luggage. And the logic is what?

The only thing I've had trouble with is my paraglider; loads of airlines won't take "gliders" and don't differentiate between long, pointy hang gliders and a 250L bag of cloth with string bits. Now I tell them it's clothes, lots of clothes.


There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.

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Julie2022


Julie2022

member
Location: Little Rock, AR

Total posts: 145
Posted:offtopic Jarofgreen....Because way back when - The Red Hot Chili Peppers performed on stage - naked - wearing only socks of their privates....

That's what I was refering to, at least. Though it wouldn't work for women, would it? smile

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My sister live in New York - comes to visit every so often - without fail she's stopped at a security point and of all the things to be taken - they always take her tweezers! *snicker* And why her every time? She looks far from a terrorist of any type - she's the typical New Yorker, maybe that's just frightening in itself?


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Socks
BRONZE Member since Nov 2004

Socks

Arf! Can I have a biscut?
Location: North America, Mid West, USA

Total posts: 288
Posted:The last time I flew it was through O-hare airport. One of the busiest airports in the world.

I managed to accidentally get my swiss army knife through security. Mind you, I also got my I-Pod, Laptop, a compressed air tank "& valve (seperated), backpack AND laptop case at the same time, and I get a feeling I overwhelmed the poor TSA guy with gadgets and knowledge of what I could or could not get through.

He did comment on my t-shirt tho. "I steal music off the internet".

The TSA is a show of force, and is useless. I've talked with people who work in airports, they tell me that if someone wanted to, they could move anything they wanted to if they knew what they were doing. It's a show of muscle to keep the majority of people assuming they're safe.

Not that I'm jaded, but I'd feel safer putting on the costume and flying in the cargo hold in a crate.


I'm weird. Just work through that and we'll all be fine.

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Loewan
BRONZE Member since Aug 2005

Loewan

and behold!
Location: Liverpool, United Kingdom

Total posts: 464
Posted:Written by: Spiderbaby

Something similar happened to me. I went to thailand with a razor blade in my mobile phone cover.
The phone was x-rayed in 2 airports and nothing showed up. I only noticed after i arrived. Ther phone was in my pocket so i could have taken it out during the flight and slit somone open.

btw the razor blade is always in my phone cover as an always be prepared kind of thing.



Yep! Never leaves home without a razor blade and a rolled up bank notes! j/k


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