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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
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Posted:I'm the "singer" in a band, and have ben for a while. I plan to get vocal coaching this summer as I've always felt my voice was the weak link in the band, and I don't want to let the boys down.



Has anyone got any tips or advice on how to sing well? I can hit notes, and I have a fairly good idea of a warm-up, but I have no microphone technique, I don't know how to sustain notes without them sounding rubbish and my phrasing is variable at best, crap at worst...



Any tips would be really appreciated.. redface smile I've trawled the net and only come up with crap about the role of a good singer, nothing about technique.. so good links are equally appreciated!



I know the best advice is practise, but I've been doing this for 5 years now and my voice, whilst stronger, still has the same problems it always did...


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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:Just keep singing... everywhere.

Drive everyone nuts, don't even care. wink

You'll get better with practice.


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UCOF
UCOF

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Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:record a tape of yourself singing and send a copy to everyone in your local phonebook.

smile

ask them for feedback


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:KGR, thanks, will probably get punched in the face a few times but it's worth a try

UCOF, takes one to know one tongue good idea, minor problem is my tape shortage.


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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:Depends largely on what type of music you sing. wink

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Sniper
Sniper

Snoochie-boochie-noochies!

Member Since: 24th Jan 2005
Total posts: 663
Posted:i need to read topics twice before reacting. thought you'd been out and singed your tits.

anyhoo try contacting local bands/singers/UCOFs etc


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UCOF
UCOF

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Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:"thought you'd been out and singed your tits."
ubblol

Why contact me?

I have no recording studio.

umm


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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:UCOF, you have hot breasts as well. That's why.

ubbloco

You could give him tips on how to fend off the laaaaaadies.


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Sniper
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Snoochie-boochie-noochies!

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Total posts: 663
Posted:edit: local bands/singers/village idiots

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UCOF
UCOF

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Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:My breasts are the bane of my life.

offtopic

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KaelGotRice
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:SERVED! SERVED! SERVED! SERVED!

jkjk ubbrollsmile

but no, seriously... wink

(Thinks up more comments on UCOF's chest and decides to shut it)


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:It's OK, I'm willing to edit the thread title to "John's Tits" if you'd rather wink biggrin

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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:I bet the thread would get far more traffic. wink

Mayhaps you should sing a song about them.


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:OK. Based on all John's posts in this thread, for added insanity wink



His name is UCOF, he's got luvverly tits

They're the size of an ape and create general bliss

And well may you cough when his dulcet tones

Bemoan his lack of microphones



His boobies have been his rival from birth

Perhaps it is due to their phenomenal girth

And he's some kind of snail, but a snail with breasts

That's some kind of unimaginable fantasy chest.


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:Yeeeah, that shut you all up, didn't it? ubblol

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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:no, it's now my signature.

ubbrollsmile


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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:biggrin I aim to please

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Elanna
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Location: NJ or DE, USA
Member Since: 25th Aug 2003
Total posts: 2293
Posted:As said before, lots of practice.

If you're having trouble sustaining notes and your phrasing isn't that great, it's most likely due to poor breath support. Every note you sing has to be supported, no matter how long or short, high or low, loud or soft. A lot of people can hit the notes, but the breath support isn't there so they can't sing nearly as well as they could with it.

The best way to improve, in my opinion, is to get a voice teacher. Practicing on your own helps tons, but a voice teacher is the safest way to go. You don't want to practice techniques and whatnot that are bad and/or could damage your vocal chords. An online site probably won't help you much. Every person's voice is different, so a general online instruction won't do you much good. Also, a site can't tell you if you're doing something wrong. It could sound correct to you, but be the total opposite of what you ought to be doing. Spend the extra money and get yourself a teacher. It really is the best way to go. smile

Lots of luck! wave


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Posted:also, remember that dynamics are key... a sustained note is nothing if it doesn't do something dynamic... creshendo's or diminuendo's are the key to powerful sustained notes... also, kicking yourself in the nuts can help with the high notes. tongue

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Posted:*winces*

nice pair of g-clamps work wonders for the high notes ive been told wink


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Location: Herefordshire
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Posted:As far as mike technique goes, two good basics are to hold the mike up and straight in front of your mouth, and second not to hold the nike in the cup of your hand or any other 'funky' grips- it'll just mess up the sound.

As far as actually singing goes, it really depends on your style and sound- I'm a choral tenor so sustained, clean notes from the diaphram are the way to go, but if its Rock then its all about the individual voice. Breath control is a must though- even as an asthmatic my lung capacity is greater than many of my friends a) because I don't smoke and b) because I use my lungs a lot singing. Swimming is excellent practivce for breath control- I've been meaning to get into it for years smile

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Member Since: 22nd Aug 2003
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Posted:yeah, I was told by my teacher years ago to breath from my stomach, not my chest: that way it will be more powerfull and will have more sustain.
if the long notes start bending, try a bit of vibrato in your voice towards the end or dropping to another note in the same scale while holding the same sound, that is the 'trick' most singers use.
as far as mike technique goes (and I am a soundengineer working for bands): don't!!!!!
often you see people who are famous use "technique", dragging the mike away from the mouth as the hold notes. this only means they have no volume while singing 'normal' and boost to get the long notes. and often they drag too far, making the note sound feeble and thin. besides: most clubs and soundengineers have a little machine called a vocal compressor that should correct all of this anyway.
but most importantly: DO NOT 'CAP' THE MIKE. it looks very hip-hop and 'cool', but it makes you voice sound like you're singing through a toilet-roll and will also make the PA and monitor system more feedback sensitive.



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UCOF
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Posted:Mr Chutney should know... he has cds out



wink



and that song is brilliant smile Thank you very very much.



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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:Thanks a lot to everyone, this is all great advice biggrin Breath control really isn't something I've ever given much thought to, so it seems pretty fair to assume this is where I've been going wrong.. volume etc is also an issue for me.

I'm definitely looks at voice lessons this summer, but obviously it's good to have something to be thinking about in the mean time smile

Thanks so much for all the tips, I'm actually really excited to have something to look at in order to help it biggrin

And there'll be no mike holding for me - I'm also a guitarist wink


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Posted:p.s drooling is a bad thing..............go figure

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Posted:Sing from your belly!

A good simple breath exercise is to start by breathing in cycles (that is, breath in for a slow count of three, hold for three, out for three hold for three) then make sure your belly is expanding, not your chest (but it will a little) This is DIAPHRAMATIC (sp?) BREATHING. If your chest expands more than your belly, you are INTERCOSTAL BREATHING.

Another tip. Find a note that when sustained provides a reasonance. Find out where this reasonance is in your body. If its in your sinus, mouth or upper throat, its not the best place. Try, by providing more power, changing your mouth shape more like an "O" and any other way you can, to shift this reasonance downward. This is your chest voice. When singing higher notes, this reasonace will travel upward. When you are singing very high, it should be in your upper throat. This is "falsetto" and useful for reaching very high notes (if youre a bloke)

Thats just for starters. Any more you have to pay! Teaching singing is some people's way to make a living. That above is practically lesson one!

(You can tell I'm a musical theatre actor and my g/f is in professional training...) biggrin


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Posted:biggrin Thanks FP!!

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Posted:NP N_A_G!

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Posted:Learn breathing techniques!

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