Forums > Beginner Staff Moves > Idea for doubles manipulation: translation + isolation

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
Thats some really nice ideas I think it's when it's smooth enough it'll look wicked with fire. I've been working on simalar stuff with staff isolations but i'd always done the translations over about 5 rotations and never thought to about speeding them up.

just thought this which might look really nice mixed in to this stuff would be T isolations (make a T with the staffs and isolate around the point where the staffs meet) and then translate them (some how) to another T with the staff swooped. humm think i'm going have go and play.

Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ct

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
Like the ideas man, isolations is summit ive been trying to do recently, difficult with doubles in either hand, god dam crap arm ruins it!

But hey like very much - although i havnt got to see vids yet - they are not working for some reason - is the site down or BW up?

Cheers for the idea anyhows Olive

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Posted: 21st Jan 2005
Hey thanks for the nice replies

Strugz>> try again, maybe my mate was updating the site at the moment you tried to connect it, otherwise msn> spinninolive@yahoo.fr

Tim>> I had a couple of trials with the T isolation, but couldn't foresee anything nifty yet
I have found another cross translation, that I have forgotten to shoot last sunday.

description trial:
hold the cross w/ both hands, inclined it 45° vs gravity. Move your hand inward horizontally & equaly (to keep the symmetry) until both upper wicks are in contact. Then move outward (horizontal translation) to reach the cross start position, keep going till the lower wicks are in contact.
distance between cross-point and the whicks should be the same for both staff
turn around and move it around you.

ASCII style trials:
start like this:
\/ /\
/\ then it should look like this / \
then back to the start position, then like this
\ /
\/
try crossers to move it around ;-)

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
f@ck ASCII doesn't work .. "tabs" or "space" seems to be rejected

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
then forget the "/\" above "then":
cross, then V, then cross, then /\

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
Strugz> for your isloation: don't grasp the staves, hold them loosely, and do the same move as with poi; so that you really use the inertia not your wirst bendability ;-)

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
Looking lovely mate!

Nice one

monkeys ate my brain

Posted: 21st Jan 2005
Hooorah!

Vids helped muchly, thanx man

I never thought of the whole "sliding" motion before - where one staff passes the other to ease the turn of the isolation......... nice!

***runs outside to try***

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Posted: 26th Jan 2005
after putting abit of work into T isolation I've decided they far to arty for me the only person would could get away with doing them is Glass

Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ct

Posted: 27th Jan 2005
This is a concept I've been working with for a few months too. I came to it by a very different direction tho...I was playing with completely isolated snakes on swinging clubs (ie club stays still in space, arm and body curl and uncurl around it) and I realised it could be done around the body, and with both clubs paralell / aligned. then it was just translating to the sticks, and voila! a very similar technique was borne. I didnt (until next sesh ) combine them with isos...nice work!

Josh

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Posted: 29th Jan 2005
Your T Isolations, I thought they looked toilet, I've never touched them.
Glad to hear you agree

Olive: some nice stuff

Posted: 30th Jan 2005
Thanks for the comments

Josh> Are u the Josh from "under the bridge II aka snake handling" video ? .. if so .. love yer vids
I've just started back my club-swing, after a year of lazyness.
I've adpated the "translational reverse" move to it using the snake, and some inclined direction. It looks brilliant, and even more, if at the end of the translation, you release the snake grasp to do a revolution, and then lock the snake again before translating in the other direction
Have a trial !

I think the T-iso might gain some interest if done with double cross (4 staves), especially if one is able to change the cross-grasp to T-grasp (not that tuff, if done horizontal or vertical)

Posted: 30th Jan 2005
yeah I'm that Josh glad you liked the vid

I'll try that translation you speak of.

Josh

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