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SpitFire
GOLD Member since Dec 2002

Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

Total posts: 2723
Posted:A friend forwarded the following link on to me, and I thought I'd post it here for those of you who might not otherwise hear about it:

http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-11-03/news/feature.html


Solitude sometimes speaks to you, and you should listen.

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nearly_all_gone
SILVER Member since Aug 2004

nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton

Total posts: 1626
Posted:Cool article... very respectful of flames which is always good as it makes everyone look more hardcore than we actually are wink

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau

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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay

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Posted:"poigasms"



i've obviously missed out on something along the way...



redface ubblol



sane words from meenik as always:



Written by: from that article


Because Isaacs is self-taught and at a level of expertise that's beyond many of her peers', it's hard to find anyone qualified or willing to give a critical account of her practice. Nick Woolsey, a professional poi artist who lives in Vancouver, British Columbia, knows Isaacs but has philosophical reservations about commenting on her practice. He says he's so critical of his own performance that he's not comfortable judging someone else's; he also questions the standards by which poi can, at this point, be judged.



"I think all of us are still beginners," says Woolsey, who won the Circle of Light award last year and just opened his own poi/yoga/tai chi school in Canada. "There are not a lot of people who have taken it to higher levels. That's why I'm [considered] so good at it. It's such a small pool."







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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:Would a critical account be something like: "When I saw her on COL4 I laughed, and so did my friends, at her really incredibly bad poi and her supposed dance 'style'. The low quality of her act and some others made me reconsider buying more of the COL series. To say she was a level of expertise beyond many of her peers is either a blatent falsehood or a creative interpretation of the word peers to mean only people who have only just picked up poi."?

Though she's probably a very good teacher and I hope her business does really well.

Off to take a swim in lake 'me'.


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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member
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.

Total posts: 1591
Posted:*explodes in one giant, gargantuan laugh spraying his remains all over the interior of his house*

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nearly_all_gone
SILVER Member since Aug 2004

nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton

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Posted:Written by: mcp

Would a critical account be something like: "When I saw her on COL4 I laughed, and so did my friends, at her really incredibly bad poi and her supposed dance 'style'...To say she was a level of expertise beyond many of her peers is either a blatent falsehood or a creative interpretation of the word peers to mean only people who have only just picked up poi."?




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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:Ohhh. This actually made me quite cross. Certainly this woman can feel free to start her own empire and make some cash... but her arrogance and self-imposed authority is just rude - especially considering she is far from being in the top 5 per cent of spinners (y'know, since stats are so important biggrin)! If I was good, I would raise an eyebrow in her general direction.



We all have issues of insecurity, but most don't bring them to the national press!!

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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

Total posts: 3882
Posted:Capitalism meets teaching.

This happens in everything. There are many, many martial arts, dance schools etc. all around the world that take an art and use it for business.

The fact that these schools are popping up now may be a good sign about the penetration of poi into society as a form of dance, movement and art. If you know how to advertise - and glitter girl does - you can make money from any of these things. That article was nicely timed.

I've read about people doing this with staff also. Truly, I'm all heart.

Someone mentioned in another thread about it being up to people themselves to decide how to spend their money. I agree, hopefully at least some of them will have the love, talent and sense to get out in the world to learn more and teach others.


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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:I have no problems at all about wanting to make money... I'm sure Malcolm does ok from HoP...

That is not the problem at all... my problem is the shocking arrogance and total deviation from the principles associated with poi.

The idea of sharing the dance with all (not just the few who can afford it), of keeping it as a community experience (flaunted by the impression that she is single-handedly bringing poi to the masses 'goddesslike') and by disrespecting others (by not mentioning any of any of her betters around the world she negates the impact of their years of practice and experience).


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SpitFire
GOLD Member since Dec 2002

Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

Total posts: 2723
Posted:Just out of curiosity....

Who is your problem with? The woman who is the focus of the article, or the woman who wrote the article?

The person who wrote the article might have a limited exposure to fire spinning, so from her perspective, Glitter Girl is goddess-like.

The article focuses on Glitter Girl, and her business....it's not an article on the world of poi, and again, I wonder if the writer has a great deal of exposure to the world of poi? If she doesn't, and she focused solely on the business Glitter Girl runs in San Francisco, then I don't think it's a big deal that no mention is made of some of the other spinners in the world. The mgazine is a San Francisco magazine, too...something else to keep in mind.

I'm not trying to be argumentative....mostly I'm pointing out that the person featured in the article didn't write it, and the person who wrote it may not know how big and evolved the art is...


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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

Total posts: 3882
Posted:the optimist in me says. people will pay for their poi lessons, then they'll walk out the door and say 'now i want to do fire'. they'll find fire meets, meet new people and see new things. the ones that join the community will be welcomed, the ones that dont can be welcomed if they change their minds.



HOP did get plugged in that article. i think it would be nice if her students, at least, were welcomed here.



so were the COL dvd's. now if i was to see one of those dvds and watch it from end to end, i wouldnt be long making up my mind about what i liked because the variation gives you almost endless choice


Love is the law.

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Spanner
BRONZE Member since Feb 2003

Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...

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Posted:I can see why this article hasn't received the warmest of receptions, here and on the other thread.



For me, the most cringeworthy part of this article is on page 2, where there's a photograph of Glittergirl wearing a head-microphone, like the ones aerobics teachers wear. There's also the mention of her belief that it can become an Olympic sport.



For me, that's not what poi is about. It was the largely non-competitive element of poi which has encouraged me to continue spinning. I'm also sure that many other spinners feel the same way, which is why the following especially concerns me:



Written by:


She wants to expand her teaching business from a niche market in San Francisco into a multimillion-dollar international enterprise, and she wants to build her own celebrity to help propel her business forward. And, as a sort of icing on the cake, she also wants to become something of a superhuman teen idol.





Well, it's true that her business wouldn't exist without people who are willing to pay the money she's asking for. Personally, having been learning over nearly 2 years now, I wouldn't have done it any other way, as I feel I've also learned valuable lessons in community as well as other aspects. But it would be very sad if acheiving her above goals, she ended up alienating spinners who could have actually been conducive to them.



I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's been taught by her though.


"I thought you are man, but
you are nice woman.

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Lillie Frog


Lillie Frog

not a stranger
Location: wales

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Posted:It's a bit off putting though, isn't it?

There I was, thinking that I was just having fun, spinning my poi and talking to all you people,
But now it seems that everytime I pick them up I am worshipping in the temple of glitter girl's ego, wether I want to or not.
And I don't even know who she is!
And I havn't had a poigasm yet.
Will she send me one in the post if I send enough money?
Or do I have to call her 'godess' too?

Nah, just joking.


Eat when you're hungry
Sleep where it's dry
No one is ever what they seem
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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:Hellos,

My problem is with glittergirl. I believe she has taken an art form and warped it for her own ends. Of course, she is entitled to do this, but I would be concerned that negative imaging like this could affect the general perception of poi - an art form that is struggling to become recognised and accepted.

I have no problem with how the article was written. It is obvious the writer knew nothing of poi, only what glittergirl told her/him... no writer worth their salt would describe someone as 'goddess-like' without that term having been suggested to them first (em, it's also the name of her website).

I fully agree with Spanner and Aidan's lovely optimism... but it feels wrong for something that is sourced in positive energy, constructive thought and action and community to be abused by this blantant pop culture consumerism.


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flash fire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia

Total posts: 2758
Posted:I'm reluctant to jump on the bashing bandwagon, but I feel compelled to say that I was not impressed by glittergirl's performance in COL5 and would never have guessed that she was a seasoned professional. Her style was floppy and sloppy and the bit with the hula-hoop and poi was gimmicky and not well executed. Perhaps she should perfect one art form before combining it with another sub-standard use of apparatus. Maybe an uneducated audience would be overcome with Wow-Factor, but to me, it seemed a bad attempt at masking inability by over-use of fire.

Anyway, I've always been an elitist.... I have no shame in admitting that. Bringing firedancing to the masses, despite ludicrous instruction fees or hippy idealism, takes away from the majik of something I hold sacred.

I must question whether her templeofpoi name and URL is a tawdry attempt at belittling homeofpoi name and URL.


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simian


simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

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Posted:Written by: flash fire
whether her templeofpoi name and URL is a tawdry attempt at belittling homeofpoi name and URL


i prefer homes to temples gen'rally
homes are less draughty
unless you live in a treehouse frown


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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SpitFire
GOLD Member since Dec 2002

Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

Total posts: 2723
Posted:Firepoise, I can see your point, definitely. I'll admit that Glittergirl comes across as someone with a fairly good sized ego.

I've not seen her spin, so I can't comment on her skill, and will defer to those who have, like flash fire.


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Jesse Girl
BRONZE Member since May 2004

Jesse Girl

member
Location: Marin, San Francisco, Californ...

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Posted:Oh man... I read this article a couple nights ago. My girlfriend brought it to me cause she knows I'm learning to spin. I had several problems with the article, and I can't say whether my problems are with the author or the subject, but I do wish to participate in this little debate.

First... Why hasn't anyone mentioned the self-degrading philosophy "glitter-girl" applies to her life as a spinner. Throughout the entire article she bashes herself for being a size 12 or 14. She's lost what, 150 pounds after getting into poi? And she's not happy? She has to be a twig? I'm sorry, but I think that goes against everything that poi is. Poi is supposed to take you out of those pre-judgements that society forces upon us. Poi is an escape, it shouldn't be used to cage ourselves in a pathetic state of self degradation. For someone who totes her spriritual approach to teaching poi, she is so far from understanding the spriritual signifigance of poi.

Second... She's a money whore (sorry for the strong language). Sure, it's nice to make money. Profit is good. We need it to survive. But she is manipulating this artform into a corporate happy meal. Spinning is communal, it's about gathering, connecting, co-op-er-a-tion not cor-por-a-tion. I feel like she's just packaging spinning so she can sell it to MTV and make millions.

Lastly... Who said the stuff about San Francisco?

Written by: SpitFire

The article focuses on Glitter Girl, and her business....it's not an article on the world of poi, and again, I wonder if the writer has a great deal of exposure to the world of poi? If she doesn't, and she focused solely on the business Glitter Girl runs in San Francisco, then I don't think it's a big deal that no mention is made of some of the other spinners in the world. The mgazine is a San Francisco magazine, too...something else to keep in mind.



I'm from and in SF... Did I take this the wrong way? confused

PEACE

Jessy ubbrollsmile


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musashii

starring Skippy the green llama
Location: Seattle, WA

Total posts: 1148
Posted:I dunno, there _IS_ a rather large (super)FREAK population in SF, I'll be the last to say that's a bad thing tho wink

I'd be interested to hear what that person meant w the SF comment too..


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simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

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Posted:i think she just meant that the article was meant to be speaking at a smaller community level, rather than a global one. Which is a good point to take on board.

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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SpitFire
GOLD Member since Dec 2002

Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

Total posts: 2723
Posted:Yup, simian nailed my point...sorry I wasn't more clear...I was referring to the fact that the article wasn't written about poi in a global sense, but focused on one part of the San Francisco Spinning community.

Thanks Simian.


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Jesse Girl
BRONZE Member since May 2004

Jesse Girl

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Posted:Cool. I was gonna flip if someone tried to slip in a cut on the city by the bay...

Sucka Free!


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SpitFire
GOLD Member since Dec 2002

Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

Total posts: 2723
Posted:No no no..I wouldn't do that....SF is a very cool place!

Solitude sometimes speaks to you, and you should listen.

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Astar


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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.

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Posted:Yeah, she could have pulled off this stunt in any try hard to be cosmopolitan city.

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flash fire
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flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia

Total posts: 2758
Posted:Further to my aforementioned critique, I would like to say that, after just having re-watched GlitterGirl's COL5 performance, she isn't as bad as I initially recalled. I stick by my claim that the hula-hoop and poi combo just doesn't work for her, and I personally don't like her use of body movement or 'staccato' timing within her poi routine..... BUT.... she has some advanced moves and pulls them off without a hitch. Having said that, there's nothing in that routine that i haven't seen at countless psytrance parties before.

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vanize
SILVER Member since Aug 2001

vanize

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:the only thing that really confuses me is that there are some damned good spinners in San Fran, and IF the critiques offered here are reasonable (even the one FF just posted, and she generally seems reasonable), I'm not quite sure how glitter girl would get much of a reputation there. I mean, I visited san francisco spinners a couple times several years ago, and they had an impressive pool of talent even then.

But then I haven't seen any COLs since #1, so I can't compare directly.

on the otherhand, part of selling anything is hype (which is why I'm a horrible salesman).


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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:Hellos and morning all,

JRabette, I did allude to your first point (re: her insecurity) when I said all of us have insecurity issues, but we tend not to bring them to the press. Mentioning that you are a victim of abusive relationships and that you have huge issues about your weight in such a public forum is a cry for attention (which, lets face it, this whole set-up is). Many of us go through similar situations but don't abuse the ethos of our art to compensate.

I saw her spin on COL 4 and COL 5. At the time, before I had read this article, I thought (and still think) she is good - well, she's better than me and she does do some fancy moves. But there are many, many better. Anyways, this is not my problem with her.

My problem is that she has taken something I hold very dear, something that had not been affected so much by pop culture commercialism and something that had retained its base in postive energy (argh, that's not a great way to word it, but you understand what I mean?!) and she has abused that to achieve her own ends - totally contradictory to the community of poi.

Anyways, I don't feel 'bad' about saying these things and I don't feel like I am 'flaming' anyone here. I am offering my opinions on someone who I feel has behaved extremely arrogantly (whether based in insecurity or not) and has reflected badly on the rest of us.


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vanize
SILVER Member since Aug 2001

vanize

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

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Posted:you know - I'd LOVE to hear what the person who taught her poi thinks....

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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.

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Posted:Im expecting that person to meet her at the waterfront and challenge her to a poi duel, which will amazingly last 5 minutes (oh wait she isn't bruce lee)

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vanize
SILVER Member since Aug 2001

vanize

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:ubblol



<que music motif from "the good, the bad, and the ugly">



dudldudldidlda... wa-waaa-waa...


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mcp
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mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

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Posted:If she thinks it's going to be an olympic sport she's no chance of getting a gold. Plus an olympic sport generally has to be difficult to do. How would the gymnasts feel if they got a gold for the overall champion, having put some 20+ years of hard training into the sport, and then some punk poister gets a gold for poi? I would be annoyed. But then I'm annoyed that tabletennis is an olympic sport. (How would football players feel if suboteo was an olympic sport?)

I think it was that one comment that made me think she was nuts.

I'm glad the poi world now has a robert heart.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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