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Sterlingspider
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Posted:I've been playing around with different grip designs for the last couple of years and have decided to try out a wrist harness with attached finger loops. Everything else I have tried so far has put a great deal of strain on some part of my hands and I'd like to distribute the strain before I give myself permanent injuries (believe me I have well enough of those!).



I am dirt poor, enjoy leatherwork, and have the materials on hand, so buying is not really an option. I have searched extensively through the forum and the only design I have managed to find pictures of is Adam Rice's on fire-gear.com which I like but have some minor issues with.



I would really like to see pics of some other wrist/finger harness designs and hear of any problems, insights, inspirations, etc. people have had in making them or issues with pre-made designs.



Any help would be hugely appreciated.


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Bender_the_Offender
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Posted:do you want to direct most of the stress to the fingers or wrist? if fingers, you'll have more control.
i'm assuming that to need such a strong handle, you have a heavy firetoy, more control = safer to twirl = better performance.
fingers are friends, not food.


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Sterlingspider
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Posted:Really the problem is that I have tendonitis (which doing poi generally helps with but occasioanally I push it a bit too far) and metacarpals that like to dislocate every once in a while. I'm told I use slightly large wicks and am waiting on more wick to make a set of 2 headed wicks, so that will be a bit more weight.

Really I'm just about trying to protect myself from fatigue after a long day of spinning and future injury.



So far I have tried locking finger loops, non locking finger loops (2 loop), non locking finger loops (one long loop woven between 3 fingers) and a large wrist loop.



I like the control of the finger loops but my hands can't deal with the stress after a day of spinning. Somthing about the way the wrist loops sit in my hands makes my hands cramp and ache for days, but I think thats more from the grip then the pressure.



I'm thinking somthing with a strap on the palm side attaching to loops on my index and ring fingers that then have the chain attachment off of the back of my hand. This way I can have the control of the finger loops, but when the moves allow for it I can let the wrist strap take some of the pressure.



Really hoping for some feedback, as I said I have more wick coming within the next week and I'm champing at the bit to get these new straps going but I dont want to make any really avoidable mistakes.



EDIT: My wick has arrived and is all done up and ready to burn once the white glue dries. I'd really like to get a set of harnesses up and running ASAP before the nice weather runs out.


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Mr_Jedly
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Posted:I have recently made some new fire poi that are *really* heavy.
I am looking for any designs to create some handles to accommodate them, as my current, 2-finger handles are not sufficient. the strain on my fingers makes them feel 'unsafe', and I loose some of the finer control with them. It also feels awkward, and from a viewers perspective looks like i am having touble too.

The handles above(with the wrist strap), also seen on Fire-Gear look great, and would be perfect, except that i'm not very keen on them being 'attached' to me, and not being able to let them go in an emergency.
At the moment I have some 'large lops' I use(just hold like you would hold anything normally); these work sufficiently for control & weight, but rub after a little while & also compress the hands.... So i'm kinda stuck.
maybe something like the wrist-straps but a large loop instead? so can be dropped if necessary?
Has anyone done anything like this? Any ideas would be a great help!


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marco


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Posted:
Notes on tripple finger loops and wrist straps, I use both, since some of the arts I do involve the manipulation of very heavy long burning heads and multiple head design.

Tripple finger loops work well for spreading the load across more than two finger joints, as for wrist straps, technically these are actually a requirement for compliance insurance etc for some of the shows I do, I make all my own single double and tripple finger loops, as well as wrist straps,


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PoiToi


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Posted:THe only way i can think of after a whole 5 or so minutes of hard thought wink is to make some just like the fire gear ones, except overlap the wrist strap over itself maybe 2 inches (4-5 cm) and then put industrial strength velcro on the leather to fasten the strap, the velcro IS actually quite strong, but you'd be able to undo it if need be.

that or swe a small strip of leather between the 2 ends of the strip so you could strecth it over your hand, and that probably would work better than velcro. smile


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Mr_Jedly
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Posted:I haven't tried triple finger loops yet...
good idea with the velcro, but I was thinking more of being able to get them off with the same hand... i.e. if something goes wrong, I can shake both hands & they come off.
I was thinking along the lines of the straps above, but with a loose loop around the wrist, not one tied on. Anyone ever tried anything like this?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'sew a small strip of leather between the strip so i can stretch it over my hand?


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pj


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Posted:I learned to spin with with the self-tightening finger grips. I swore by them until I started doing hand wraps to alter the length of the chain -- finger grips just don't work for that. I experiemented with a bunch of different grips and finally settled on the simplest -- nothing more than a straight loop. With my palm facing up, the loop goes over my middle finger and hangs to the ground. I then wrap the chain arround my pinky and then up through my thumb and index finger. The chain just rides on my index finger, and I can wrap it as many times as is comfortable.

With regards to sore hands/wrists with heavy poi, this probably has more to do with the way you are swinging your poi than the grip you are using. If you shift the center of rotation from the end of the chain to several inches down the chain, the force on your wrists is reduced dramatically. When I discovered this, my multi-wick poi suddenly got much easier to spin.

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PoiToi


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Posted:Written by: raghkyre


I'm not sure what you mean by 'sew a small strip of leather between the strip so i can stretch it over my hand?



like this:

__________ ______ ________
...................| ---------- |.............
...................| ---------- |..............
..Leather.....| Rubber |......leather (loops around to left side of screen)
...................| ---------- |...........

that's the wrist strap part... thought i dunno if you'd be able to wriggle it off.

the loose strap might work, i'd just replace the little strap that goes between the finger loops and the wrist strap with a big loop... that would keep the big loop tight when you spun it but you still could wriggle it off if you undid the finger loops..

i hope that makes sense.. lol


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