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Spanner
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Posted:Sounds pretty, doesn't it?



Children like rainbows, don't they? I mean, a lot of them are so innocent that they don't realise theres no "pot of gold" at the end of a rainbow, as the old adage says there should be.



It's a shame some will never have the chance to find out for themselves...



Israel's Gaza Mission Kills 20



Ever read "The Secret Diary Of Adrian Mole"? Remember the part where he writes about laying awake at night, worrying about the Palestinians?



Right now, that may as well be me. I only hope that those who are part of this operation are finding the same difficulties in sleeping at night angry



I've got to go to bed and force myself to get some sleep. Apologies for this rant, but if it makes at least one more person aware of this hypocritical disgrace to humanity, my work here is done.



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Posted:oh, I never did see die hard 3.

Also I misunderstood what you were talking about with me being "fine" with it.

Why am I fine with the israeli settlers being abandoned? Because they can easily return to where they came from, and they are far from helpless, they are on par with american survivalists who stockpile arms incase the communists invade, they build their homes like forts and often have some level of military training. It's their choice to move outside of where israel can protect them and it's their choice to jeopardize the peace makeing process. It wouldn't happen to me because I wouldn't make that decision.


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Posted:ubblol Ohh my you do have an interesting opinoin of Americans. :loll: Perhaps we both have had a decent ammount of missunderstanding between eachother.



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Dentrassi
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Posted:id just like to point out the humour value of using a bruce willis movie as a reference to the real world....

but anyway, some interesting points from all partys - but ill stick with lightning on this one - both sides are just as bad.

right, ill take my fence sitting arse out of here before i get mauled.

be cool guys cool


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Posted:Notice I specified survivalist americans. Not all americans.

You disagree there is a small minority of americans, many of whom live in arizona or new mexico who have huge stockpiles of weapons, walk about in military fatigues, spend all their time training in military tactics and skills and quite often are really paranoid about one thing or another? They exist, and they are more then a little disturbing. Thankfully they exist in such small numbers they only pose as much of a risk to america as muslim terrorists pose to america.



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Posted:Robotface, I knew exactly what you ment, I still thougth it absolutly funny. It just brought so many undescribable immages that just made me laugh so hard. Just don't take what I said seriously, it is really shouldnt have been said as it had no real bearing on the convorsation at hand. I just felt I had to express how much it made me laugh.


Dentrassi, Bruce Willis movies so relate to the real world. C'mon, you know darn well that everything in hollywood can happen at some point in time tongue


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Posted:well im sorry for missing your (two jokes) although in my defense the bruce willis one was above my head since ive never seen the movie.



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Posted:Yeah, if you had seen it, it would have been a lot better of an example. No worries smile

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Posted:Personally, I prefer The Fifth Element as my guide for reality. ubblol

(Off topic? Who? Me? Never! wink )


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Posted:I thinks its the giant space ducks which really make that movie for me.......... biggrin

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Posted:Well, the NYTimes has just come out with an editorial harshly criticising Sharon for his handling of all of this.

It's no wonder he and Bush get along so well.


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Posted:What is happening to innocent people there right now is so much more important than us telling each other where to go rolleyes

As much as I feel I should report the post which said "piss off", as it is NOT necessary, appropriate, nor why I started the thread, I hesitate to do so as there has been much constructive discussion here so far and it would be a great shame if it got locked.

So, could we keep this civil, please? smile


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Posted:bush is probably singing 'My Sharona' to himself at this very minute.... biggrin

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Posted:Thank you Dentrassi biggrin

I'd much rather people took the p*ss instead of telling people to p*ss off.

And it's always better to get p*ssed off, than p*ssed on biggrin


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Posted:spanner what are you accomplishing by makeing multiple posts about the incident? jeez, it was a mistake and it's over with, why don't you go make a new thread about it so this thread can be free of your complaining.

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Posted:Robotface, what are you accomplishing? confused

If you hadn't noticed, I started this thread to discuss Operation Rainbow, not for you to swear at other people and then asking me not to complain about it. That is very ungrateful.

All I have done is to ask for members to be civil, and thanking Dentrassi for keeping it so. Maybe it's not an ideal thread to be light-hearted in, but it's certainly not a place to insult others.

You may have made a mistake, but just saying "it's over with" before mentioning it again hardly reassures me that it's what you believe, or that you're genuinely sorry about that.

Sadly, I think the time has come for me to request that this thread is closed. It's a great shame, but I thank you all for your opinions and ideas, they have been of great interest to me.


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Posted:Heh. I was discussing the issue, and I said piss off once and you think the thread is ruined?

Amuseing.

So what are you accomplishing by closeing it? The thread progressed normally after the incident and theres possibility for further discussion. But it's your thread, ruin it if you want.


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Posted:Robotface, I suggest anything else you have to say to me is sent by PM. I will not be reading this thread anymore, so you will get no further reply from me here.

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Posted:Ok, how about everyone calms down, apologizes to each-other, snogs for a little bit, and then we move on? cool

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Posted:why should I appologize for ruining a thread which I didn't ruin?

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Posted:*Kissing robotface passionately*

There, take that as an apology.

Say, I might get to like this new policy! biggrin

Seriously, we're all friends here, so let's act like it, Hmm? Just as in the Israeli side, there is nobody who is completely right and nobody who is completely wrong.

Except for Burz. He's always wrong. ubblol wink


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Posted:Quote:
All I have done is to ask for members to be civil, and thanking Dentrassi for keeping it so. Maybe it's not an ideal thread to be light-hearted in, but it's certainly not a place to insult others



i know....my apologies - it was such a funny thought that i couldnt resist. but as lightning said, lets all pash robotface, and move on.

i found this very interesting. read the article below.
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http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/16/1084646073864.html
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Israelis mass to demand Gaza withdrawal
By Ed O'Loughlin, Herald Correspondent in Tel Aviv
May 17, 2004

Pressure is mounting for an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza following a peace demonstration at the weekend that brought more than 100,000 people to Rabin Square in Tel Aviv.

As Israeli helicopters attacked fresh targets in Gaza City, the biggest Israeli peace demonstration in nine years was held under the banner "Get out of Gaza, start talking".

Following a minute's silence to commemorate 13 troops killed in Gaza last week, the opposition leader, Shimon Peres, told the crowd: "This is a protest of the majority. Eighty per cent of our people want peace. One per cent are trying to block it."

The demonstration was organised by left-wing groups to protest against the defeat of the unilateral Gaza disengagement plan of the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, in a referendum of his own right-wing Likud party.

Rabin Square, where the former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a right-wing Israeli in 1995, was a sea of balloons, banners and placards.

Some analysts believe the Gaza issue could revive the fortunes of the Israeli left-wing and peace camps, battered by 3 years of struggle with the Palestinians.

Tova Meryn Zartz, a Sydney woman who emigrated to Israel in 1967, drove from Jerusalem to attend. "I'm here to feel that I'm at least doing something minimal to show that I'm very distressed about the situation, so that the world will know that not only the right wing represents Israel," she said.

"Negotiations are necessary to get us out of this stalemate. Not doing anything, just relying on the status quo, seeking physical solutions - it's not getting us anywhere."

The events of last week in Gaza, in which 13 Israeli soldiers and at least 32 Palestinian fighters and civilians were killed, boosted the crowd. Scores more Palestinians were wounded in clashes and there was massive destruction to Palestinian homes, businesses, vehicles, farmland and infrastructure.

The relatively heavy Israeli losses are doubly sensitive in light of Mr Sharon's new push to withdraw troops and 7500 Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip.

Over the weekend the Israeli Army responded to the deaths of its troops with plans to demolish dozens more Palestinian homes in Rafah to widen Israel's clear-fire zone along Gaza's border with Egypt.

The United Nations refugee agency, UNWRA, says that 88 buildings have already been destroyed in recent days, making 1000 people homeless. At least 11,000 people in Rafah have lost homes and belongings to no-warning night-time demolitions since the uprising began.

The decision to accelerate the campaign follows the deaths of five soldiers when a rocket-propelled grenade struck their armoured vehicle on Wednesday. Two more soldiers died on Friday in a follow-up operation to demolish houses.

Over the weekend Israeli helicopters tried to kill a leader of the Islamic Jihad group in Gaza City and destroyed offices belonging to a Palestinian charity and a newspaper linked to the militant group Hamas.

In Jordan, the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, told a news conference yesterday:

"We know that Israel has a right for self-defence but the kind of action they are taking in Rafah with the destruction of Palestinian homes, we oppose."

On Saturday he met the Palestinian Prime Minister, Ahmed Qurie, and King Abdullah of Jordan at an economic summit, where he

acknowledged that the US endorsement of Mr Sharon's unilateral disengagement plan had been "controversial" but said it had also been a "bold decision" aimed at reviving the near moribund "road map" plan for moves towards peace.

Mr Qurie called for a ceasefire with Israel, to be followed by negotiations






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