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journeyman
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Posted:
Please no one yell at me for starting a new thread - I did a search I swear!
I've recently begun teaching poi to friends who show interest, and it's been fun to remember all the simple things and see their smiles when they get it. Last night, though, I was practicing with the girl who introduced me to poi and she asked me to teach her the combination of moves I was using, which revolved around the butterfly weave with no transitional beats.
Being a fairly new move to me, I have no idea how to teach it. She holds her hands opposite of mine in butterfly things, so that makes it more complicated (me: right under; her: left under).
Suggestions, insight?
btw... what we're trying to arrive at is forward butterfly to the left, reverse butterfly on the right turning to the right, over the head, in front, turn to the right for a forward, back to the left for a reverse, over the head, and again.
Please no one yell at me for starting a new thread - I did a search I swear!
I've recently begun teaching poi to friends who show interest, and it's been fun to remember all the simple things and see their smiles when they get it. Last night, though, I was practicing with the girl who introduced me to poi and she asked me to teach her the combination of moves I was using, which revolved around the butterfly weave with no transitional beats.
Being a fairly new move to me, I have no idea how to teach it. She holds her hands opposite of mine in butterfly things, so that makes it more complicated (me: right under; her: left under).
Suggestions, insight?
btw... what we're trying to arrive at is forward butterfly to the left, reverse butterfly on the right turning to the right, over the head, in front, turn to the right for a forward, back to the left for a reverse, over the head, and again.
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Posted:
im not sure what the move you desribe is or if i can do it or not.
but i usually teach things the way i learnt them, i learn moves by just building on what i know...
i taught someone the butterfly weave a few days ago. i did it by first making sure that they could do a solid forewards and backwards butterfly. i then said, try this, and did a butterfly weave. aand after the person i was teaching had been watching how my hands moved for a bit, they tried it a few times, they successfully managed to go from left to right with it a few times. today i saw him again, and he has been practising and can now do the move pretty nicely. i told him to learn it backwards....
hope that helps. im not sure if it will.
but good luck
im not sure what the move you desribe is or if i can do it or not.
but i usually teach things the way i learnt them, i learn moves by just building on what i know...
i taught someone the butterfly weave a few days ago. i did it by first making sure that they could do a solid forewards and backwards butterfly. i then said, try this, and did a butterfly weave. aand after the person i was teaching had been watching how my hands moved for a bit, they tried it a few times, they successfully managed to go from left to right with it a few times. today i saw him again, and he has been practising and can now do the move pretty nicely. i told him to learn it backwards....
hope that helps. im not sure if it will.
but good luck
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Posted:
I'd explain it like this.
Make sure they can do fwd butterfly on left and revs butterfly on right first.
Assuming that - do a forward butterfly on the left.
Now keep left hand where it is and bring only right hand across to the right.
Now bring the left hand across and slot it into a reverse butterfly on the right.
The way each hand slots in and out of those 2 butterflys is exactly the same except simultaineous. Get used to doing them independent first and then see if she san put them together after a while.
This is how I learnt it but it still took me a while.
You'll probably find it easier (i think
) if you watch which hand is higher on the butterflys -
If at the start your right hand is higher on the forward butterfly on the left, then try get the left hand higher on the rvs butterfly on the right and visa versa.
I'd explain it like this.
Make sure they can do fwd butterfly on left and revs butterfly on right first.
Assuming that - do a forward butterfly on the left.
Now keep left hand where it is and bring only right hand across to the right.
Now bring the left hand across and slot it into a reverse butterfly on the right.
The way each hand slots in and out of those 2 butterflys is exactly the same except simultaineous. Get used to doing them independent first and then see if she san put them together after a while.
This is how I learnt it but it still took me a while.
You'll probably find it easier (i think
) if you watch which hand is higher on the butterflys - If at the start your right hand is higher on the forward butterfly on the left, then try get the left hand higher on the rvs butterfly on the right and visa versa.
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Posted:
i'd highly recommend learning all the 'variations' of the butterfly weave (split-time 3bt).
what i mean by variations is that there's four ways to do it which happen to make absolutely no difference to how it looks if you are just standing there spinning it.
but still, they are worth learning as not knowing all of them means that turns are less easy some ways, which is what you are finding out now.
if you're wondering why there are 4 bf weaves and not just 2 then here is a quick answer for ya: there are two weave motions (forward weave & reverse weave) to choose from and two directions that a poi can spin in while your hand performs one of the two weave motions.
so looking at just one hand we can choose rev.weave+rev.poi, rev.weave+fwd.poi, fwd.weave+fwd.poi, fwd.weave+rev.poi - adding the other hand in the only way possible for each of these this creates four versions of the butterfly weave.
you can force yourself into spinning them as you can stop at each arm position too.
for the four combinations above do the following with your arms:
butterfly on left hand side (lhs) [left arm on lhs, right arm on lhs]
crossed arms 1 [left arm crosses to rhs, right arm remains on lhs]
butterfly on right hand side (lhs) [left arm remains on rhs, right arm crosses to rhs]
crossed arms 2 [left arm remains on rhs, right arm crosses to lhs]
back to butterfly on lhs [left arm remains on rhs, right arm crosses to rhs]
i can still only do two versions though...
as a quick fix, your friend may find it easier to mirror you movements rather than copy you directly.
stand facing opposite when teaching and get her to mirror your movements - i.e. when you turn left, your friend will turn right and so on.
good luck
i'd highly recommend learning all the 'variations' of the butterfly weave (split-time 3bt).
what i mean by variations is that there's four ways to do it which happen to make absolutely no difference to how it looks if you are just standing there spinning it.
but still, they are worth learning as not knowing all of them means that turns are less easy some ways, which is what you are finding out now.
if you're wondering why there are 4 bf weaves and not just 2 then here is a quick answer for ya: there are two weave motions (forward weave & reverse weave) to choose from and two directions that a poi can spin in while your hand performs one of the two weave motions.
so looking at just one hand we can choose rev.weave+rev.poi, rev.weave+fwd.poi, fwd.weave+fwd.poi, fwd.weave+rev.poi - adding the other hand in the only way possible for each of these this creates four versions of the butterfly weave.
you can force yourself into spinning them as you can stop at each arm position too.
for the four combinations above do the following with your arms:
butterfly on left hand side (lhs) [left arm on lhs, right arm on lhs]
crossed arms 1 [left arm crosses to rhs, right arm remains on lhs]
butterfly on right hand side (lhs) [left arm remains on rhs, right arm crosses to rhs]
crossed arms 2 [left arm remains on rhs, right arm crosses to lhs]
back to butterfly on lhs [left arm remains on rhs, right arm crosses to rhs]
i can still only do two versions though...
as a quick fix, your friend may find it easier to mirror you movements rather than copy you directly.
stand facing opposite when teaching and get her to mirror your movements - i.e. when you turn left, your friend will turn right and so on.
good luck
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journeyman
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Location: Ubud, Bali, Indonesia
Posted:
I should have been more specific by "no beats in between," my apologies
She can do the progression with the three beat butterfly weave, but I removed the beat where the hands are on opposite sides of the body. We're doing it in-time, so there's only one beat on each side, really... one revolution per hand, though. I have no idea what this should be called
Your advice still works though
Thanks for pointing out all of those variations, cole - I think I found a few of them in one of my whirling sessions... you don't really know a move until you can spin with it, right?
I should have been more specific by "no beats in between," my apologies
She can do the progression with the three beat butterfly weave, but I removed the beat where the hands are on opposite sides of the body. We're doing it in-time, so there's only one beat on each side, really... one revolution per hand, though. I have no idea what this should be called
Your advice still works though
Thanks for pointing out all of those variations, cole - I think I found a few of them in one of my whirling sessions... you don't really know a move until you can spin with it, right?
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Posted:
hope some of this gets you closer to what you wanted (and at the very least it should suggest a few more ideas to play with)...
if its same time then the cross-over for both hands should be simultaneous.
feels nice and bouncy and means the crossover can go right over the top of your head
the most important thing for these moves is solid thread the needles in both fwd and rev.
for each side change you need to put in one ttn beat (to get the other hand on top).
if you don't put this ttn in you will most likely end up tangling
butterfly airwraps are hard but doable.
usually though i just end up in a big mess with these
the split-time version of the bf weave is gorgeous and much more flowing in my book and has huge scope for variation.
straight arm bf weaves are a particular favourite.
if you haven't already, check out matt poipoipoi's spherculism for much bf weavage inspiration.
hope some of this gets you closer to what you wanted (and at the very least it should suggest a few more ideas to play with)...
if its same time then the cross-over for both hands should be simultaneous.
feels nice and bouncy and means the crossover can go right over the top of your head
the most important thing for these moves is solid thread the needles in both fwd and rev.
for each side change you need to put in one ttn beat (to get the other hand on top).
if you don't put this ttn in you will most likely end up tangling
butterfly airwraps are hard but doable.
usually though i just end up in a big mess with these
the split-time version of the bf weave is gorgeous and much more flowing in my book and has huge scope for variation.
straight arm bf weaves are a particular favourite.
if you haven't already, check out matt poipoipoi's spherculism for much bf weavage inspiration.
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Posted:
This is harder for some easier for tothers.. but have them work on bouncing the butterfly from in front to backe left.. in front to back right.. .its a simple 2beat version... and most peopel pick up quickly if they turn to the back left or back right while they do it... from ther they just move to the 3 bt, 4bt, 5bt
This is harder for some easier for tothers.. but have them work on bouncing the butterfly from in front to backe left.. in front to back right.. .its a simple 2beat version... and most peopel pick up quickly if they turn to the back left or back right while they do it... from ther they just move to the 3 bt, 4bt, 5bt
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Posted:
I hold my hands the same as your friend does (left under) I was drunk when I learnt butterfly weave.... maybe intoxicate her??? No, not a good idea!!! I did it by starting opposite swinging then going into butterfly by bringing my poi over, I guess the overheads just fit into it after practicing with transitional beats???
If that doesn't work forget everything I said because I'm crap!!!!! I've never taught anyone butterfly weave and I'm still new to the waist wrap!!!
I hold my hands the same as your friend does (left under) I was drunk when I learnt butterfly weave.... maybe intoxicate her??? No, not a good idea!!! I did it by starting opposite swinging then going into butterfly by bringing my poi over, I guess the overheads just fit into it after practicing with transitional beats???
If that doesn't work forget everything I said because I'm crap!!!!!
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Posted:
i cant quite visualise what is being taught, has anyone got a video of the technique that they could post.
i cant quite visualise what is being taught, has anyone got a video of the technique that they could post.
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journeyman
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Location: Ubud, Bali, Indonesia
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Location: Ubud, Bali, Indonesia
Posted:
I will make one For now, I'll try to explain it again (which probably won't help at all )
It ends up being a same-time butterfly in front, low behind (using butterfly weave to the left), in front, low behind (using butterfly weave to the right), in front, over the head, and repeat.
Looks much like a simpler progression but has more body movement and makes for turning capabilities.
I will make one
For now, I'll try to explain it again (which probably won't help at all )It ends up being a same-time butterfly in front, low behind (using butterfly weave to the left), in front, low behind (using butterfly weave to the right), in front, over the head, and repeat.
Looks much like a simpler progression but has more body movement and makes for turning capabilities.
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Posted:
kittyn. are you by chance a fan of bust a groove on the psx? your name just clicked after a few minutes. gotta love that game, anyway, it would be great if you could post a clip. thx
kittyn. are you by chance a fan of bust a groove on the psx? your name just clicked after a few minutes. gotta love that game, anyway, it would be great if you could post a clip. thx
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Posted:
hmm, is the butterfly weave just another name for threading the needle?
i got kicked off the comp halfway through reading a tutorial on it, but it sounds very similar ??????
hmm, is the butterfly weave just another name for threading the needle?
i got kicked off the comp halfway through reading a tutorial on it, but it sounds very similar ??????
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Posted:
No, the butterfly weave is just that, a weave motion done with the poi going in opposite directions rather than following each other...
No, the butterfly weave is just that, a weave motion done with the poi going in opposite directions rather than following each other...
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Posted:
poi tutorials
um just look for the one on butterfly weave or btb butterfly weave...
poi tutorials
um just look for the one on butterfly weave or btb butterfly weave...
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