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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

ben-ja-men

just lost .... evil init
Location: Adelaide

Total posts: 2474
Posted:so i was showing the tepooka video from poi in the park to a friend today and there is this bit with this all of blinding light running round and the only thing we could come up with was it being a flare like the kind u have in a ship that shots out of a gun all bright like.

which got me thinking hey thats a pretty cool idea, does ne one have ne experience with this sort of thing is it just the same as fireworks or are there ne extra safety things i should know?


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Spanner
BRONZE Member since Feb 2003

Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...

Total posts: 2790
Posted:
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You won't be needing these then?

Location needs consideration, otherwise you may attract the attention of the emergency services. Not very safe if a helicopter lands on you

A lot depends on the type of flare you use. Some can be held while activated, some you should only initiate and retreat from on the ground. Make sure you get detailed instructions, which should be ON the casing of the flare, preferably with additional literature on a leaflet or the packaging so you know what to expect before you buy it (army surplus stores and chandleries are worth browsing, you may also be able to find them in hiking shops nowadays).

Flares are good for distracting the opposing team when playing Manhunt after dark


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you are nice woman.

yay,

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Eera
BRONZE Member since May 2003

old hand
Location: In a test pit, Mackay

Total posts: 1107
Posted:If you can get hold of magnesium ribbon you'd get a very bright light from that and it costs way less than flares do. The emergency services can have a bit of a strop (and rightly so) if you let off flares without there being a good reason to do so.

There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.

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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Mar 2017

[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:Flares are very very dangerous!

before you consider using them please get someoneperance to give you some training, never point them anywhere near yourself or anyone else or anything else for that matter. Thease things are very hot!

play safe.

T


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squarefish
SILVER Member since Sep 2002

(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
Location: the state of flux

Total posts: 403
Posted:Did some research on this myself a while back, but no real joy to speak of.

Most of the hand held flares that ive seen seem to have a nasty habit of producing hot molten slag (heehee )which is caught by a sort of gutter arrangement around the top of the handle.

I shudder to think what would happen if this was to spatter into your audience or go down the back of your shirt while doing poi or staff, ARRGGHH!!!


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Spanner
BRONZE Member since Feb 2003

Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...

Total posts: 2790
Posted:Are you going to use them as poi, ben-ja-men?

I wouldn't recommend it


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you are nice woman.

yay,

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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

ben-ja-men

just lost .... evil init
Location: Adelaide

Total posts: 2474
Posted:nah i was just thinking of running round manically chaseing camera ppl while holding lit flares

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

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CaptG
PLATINUM Member since Mar 2004

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Location: Dubai

Total posts: 29
Posted:hey ben-ja-men hows it going.. on the flares thing i am a sailor and have done about 30 set of the hand held flares they are so intense you have to be bloody carefull the burns i have had from these are insane they burn at 1800 degrees and are oxygen absorbing i think so when they hit you they eat you literally and even a brush is painfull.. had one in the face just trying to start the second one so if you can get the ones which have a string to pull then its easier to get them going.. (rather than smaking them on one end) i have some photos i could post ..
like all the others i cannot reccomend them ..
the other thing is they only burn for 60 seconds which is just not long enough for me so am looking into the american safety services that throw them on the ground when there is a car accident... in the uk it is very illegal to use the red ones unless in distress but if they were flying around your head you could argue that they were and on that note dont do it on top of a hill as people will think you are in distress.. enough of being mother as there is some hope as the white ones are purely for attracting attention and thets what you are trying to do heyhey..
the people ive been doing it infront of are totally red difficient after doing this so everything is green after they go out but dont stop as the metal tubes which are glowing white hot are still really good to carry on with.. when they burn the slag that bcomes off is not hot but it does get in your eyes and it feels like its really dusty..
i find its best to do these when there is a good breeze blowing and the smoke tails are awsome plus the dust doesnt land on you..

a finall word of warning the burns from these is excessive and i mean excessive be bloody careful tape up the handles and keep everything safe they will kill some one if they hit them as happened in the football stadium here in dubai( a rocket and no it wasnt me) please please dont mess if you are not sure i am a trained yacht captain and have used these for the real purpose the only other thing i can add is they are extreemly noisy lets keep this as a discussion and come back to me


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bluecat


bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere

Total posts: 5300
Posted:ok.

few words of warning.

it's illegal to use these near the coast. not inland. we *always* try to warn the rescue services we are using them if we think ew are somewhere where its possibly a problem.

yes they are [censored] hot and very dangerous, and make you blind for a short while after wards.

we do NOT use them as poi. thats the most stupid thing i can think of....

but we've probably let off about 1000-2000 flares without any injuries or problems with authorites.

the important thing is knowing exactly what you are doing. we have people properly trained by naval bods, who then train the rest of us. nobody goes and uses one without prior knowledge.

smiles
R


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CaptG
PLATINUM Member since Mar 2004

member
Location: Dubai

Total posts: 29
Posted:Sorry bluecat lets just say it is totally irresponsible to use these hand flares (not rocket flares) .. for anything else than what they were designed for.

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MikeIcon
GOLD Member since Mar 2003

MikeIcon

Pooh-Bah
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA

Total posts: 2109
Posted:Thats like saying we should use Kevlar and wire wool for what they were designed for...

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me

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squarefish
SILVER Member since Sep 2002

(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
Location: the state of flux

Total posts: 403
Posted:ICoN,
Watch out there dude you're dangerously close to getting this thread closed down!! eek biggrin
-M-


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CaptG
PLATINUM Member since Mar 2004

member
Location: Dubai

Total posts: 29
Posted:This was not supposed to cause any trouble just that its a dodgy thing to do.. all i am trying to do is answer the original question which was does anyone know about flares and i do.. sorry to any offended by my reply....
i have posted some photos that arnt really very good of these flares in action as poi and in very cotrolled circumstances..
http://captg.photostep.com/3553527

tell me what you think....
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Posted:Heyup...

Flares eh?

I've never had a problem with them...yeah read the instuctions (well...duh?)...yeah they burn hot (uh...duh?)....don't get the light ones mixed up with the smoke ones (toxic nastiness)...make sure you're in a well ventilated space (inescapable toxic nastiness).

I've seen flares used as poi (FireCrazyMatt @ Crusty Demons)...kinda a clubs/poi hybrid (handles, swivel, rod, flare) ...yeah very erm....fire crazy - but what an effect. I think my first words to him were "thank god you didn't fuckup!" ubblol

Cool thing with red flares is that after watching them for a bit, flames look green for a while (saves having to find all those chemicals to change the colour)...does tend to hurt your eyes tho...

I think the best saftey tip/story I can add to this thread is when I saw a flare dropped into a bucket of water to put it out....Result: the bucket of water boils until flare goes out (luckily it was metal) - they are designed to be dropped into the water and continue to burn...so effectively you cannot put them out!....danger! danger!

play safe
dave

ps "about 1000-2000" is a hefty varience Roberto wink


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bluecat


bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere

Total posts: 5300
Posted:of course it is.

i know we've been given over 2000 by a company in edinburgh.

and that we haven't used all of them. but for all i know steve is stashing them in a basement somewhere rolleyes
wink

disagree tho that they should *only* be used for what they were intended.

we use out of date ones which it is illegal to stock your craft with. and otherwise they would be destroyed; which i think most would agree is a waste when they could be used for performance...

smileR


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darkpoet
BRONZE Member since May 2003

darkpoet

Irish
Location: Dallas.........ish

Total posts: 525
Posted:just to explain how hot these things really are in a way thats easily understood, i melted a hole about an inch deep (3 ish cm) in my garage with one because it got started too early, water wont put one of these out, not easily and i burnt myself in the process
i have no words to emphasize how hot or how dangerous flares can be when improperly used


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squarefish
SILVER Member since Sep 2002

(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
Location: the state of flux

Total posts: 403
Posted:Hmm,
if water won't work, how abot freon or halon ubbidea? I doubt that CO2 would work as magnesium burns quite readily in this gas, making a crackling noise and producing large amounts of soot confused
And I expect that most flares are beased around a magnesium compound of some sort.
If however they comprise a mix of fuel and oxidant in the one container, they may well be impossible to extinguish, making them one of the most dangerous things in respect to their capacity for property damage. eek

-M-


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Singed Piper (formerly Mark1)


Singed Piper (formerly Mark1)

resident bagpiper
Location: Vermont, USA

Total posts: 342
Posted:I was using the emergency car kit flares all the time last year and I was OK. but heres the deal... LEATHER EVERYWHERE... jacket, gloves, and custom headwear (leather or kevlar they can be found online). wear thick jeans and don't expect to leave with clothing intact. I ruined five pairs of jeans and two pair of gloves, so be carefull,

however, those who say "just don't do it" don't seem to understand that this is a dangerous art in any form. There is no "safe" way to spin fire. Do it long enough and you will be burned. don't talk about how its stupidly reckless, because fire poi is reckless. so don't try to harsh on a further version of what most of us already do. just be carefull... think carefully... weigh the risks... and if you still want to, do it. remember, though, if you screw up its your fault. no one else chose to do it to you. so, just be careful.


Q:What's the difference between the Great Highland Bagpipes and the Northumbrian Pipes?
A:The Great Highland Pipes burn longer.

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