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Posted:
i know what the arachnid thing is but i was reading arashi's post (can't remember the thread name) and i read this

you can take a bfly or a spider and invert them,

What is a spider???

Thank you in advance.

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Posted:
yes i did a search.

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Posted:
I'm fairly sure that a spider is just another name for a weave (chase).

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Posted:
.........Great photo MisStix......couldn't help myself to not BURST OUT IN LAUGHING


Sory had to right that as well...um back to the subject

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Posted:
It's a weave.

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tennisBRONZE Member
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Posted:
where's the link between the weave motion and a spider?

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Posted:
Where is the link between weave motion and a weave?

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IdubIHoP Lurker
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Posted:
Stupid Poi Moves names

I think the weave name comes from the fact that your arms (and consequently??sp?? the poi) are weave about one another. Not really very helpful though as the buttefly weaves sort of do the same thing.

IMHO the "weave(spider/chase whatever)" should be called a Chase Weave as the Poi are chasing and weave in and about one another.

That'd then allow for Butterfly Weave making more sense, at least its name would.

The nicest aspect I can see with doing this is that you get 2 distinct 'schools' of moves for when learning/teaching.

Butterflys - Mexican Wave, Low Wave, BtB Butterfly, Butterfly Buzzsaw.
&
Chases - Chasing the Sun, Windmill, Corkscrew, Buzzsaw.

Then you could start explaining modifications and varients and I'm stopping now before I get carried away

*Edited - Cause I can't proof for pooh*

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
its all a bit random really.

i reckon 'follow-time' (or 'chase') and 'butterfly' refer to the direction of the Poi.

a follow-time weave you can then call a 'cross-follow'.

i'd say 'weave' refers to hand movements rather than Poi - hence with the butterfly weave the hands make the same motion as a follow-time weave.

spider i have no idea on. seems to be the basic cross-follow motion but not resticted to any one orientation ie. a vertical spider is a cross-follow, a horizontal spider is a corkscrew and so on.

i'm finding more and more that move names are dependent on locality more than where they came from or what they were originally called.
tis all good though - as long as we can get across what we are trying to describe it matters little what we happen to be calling a weave.

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Jomember
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Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
quote:
I think the weave name comes from the fact that your arms (and consequently??sp?? the poi) are weave about one another. Not really very helpful though as the buttefly weaves sort of do the same thing.

The difference is distinguished by the name being 'butterfly weave' not 'weave' (butterfly meaning Poi are in opposite directions)

Jo.

[ 21. May 2003, 05:54: Message edited by: Jo ]

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Jomember
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Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
That sounded a bit harsh... better add some winks:


Ok, I edited it now - it no longer souns harsh. winks revoked.

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arashiPooh-Bah
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Posted:
don't have much time but i'll make it quick.
we taught ourselves over here in texas so we have our own names for everything. i feel that the language stems from the style, but it can also restrict your style as well.
spider is almost the same as weave, but a spider is the full 360 range of motion that a weave pattern makes, so a 3 beat spider is the forward 3 beat, turn, and the reverse 3 beat, turn. it doesn't seem like much but when you have inversions, insides, hyperweaves, etc. it makes things easier, at least for me. and all the moves that you guys differentiate from the weave like corkscrew and windmill are simply the same pattern, spiders, moved to different areas. horizontal spider(cork), vertical spider (windmill) to me the hand postitions aren't as important, because there are soooo many, like there are many hand positions for the 5 beat, much less 5+. they are almost the same thing, but having the full cycle as the basic set(spider instead of "weave") i think helps you put more complex moves together, cuz you have to understand how everything fits together instead of taking it in pieces.
my spiders are different than butterflies by a long shot, the planes in a butterfly cycle are only parallel to their respective hands. IOW the right hand is parralel to itself in the turn, as the left is also, but the right and left are not parallel to each other, they are a "x". so they are not the same at all.

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Posted:
wow! how the hell am i going to get to sleep now?!!???

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Posted:
I like it, sort of a shorthand for Poi.

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TeachingMonkeyBRONZE Member
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Posted:
That's interesting. I'm reading a book on playing the 9-section chain whip that makes reference to several different patterns.
Twining = "stalling" or "wrapping"
circling = moving your whip, chain, Poi, etc in a vertical circle
sweeping = moving your Poi in a horizontal circle
figure 8 = moving your whip/poi in a figure 8 with one or both hands.
The most important distinctions to me are circling vs. figure 8, and vertical vs. horizontal.
Every move can be described in these terms. For example: butterfly = both hands Circling in front or behind the player in opposing directions.
In terms of sword or staff play, the figure 8 is refered to as a flower. I refer to them as either rising or falling flowers. Falling is the first (forward) weave that most of us learn, with our chains moving downward in front of us. Rising is what most people refer to as the backwards weave, with the chains coming up in front of us. Each stroke is a petal on the flower.
Hopefully I'm making it easier for people to talk technically without all the dialectical jargon.
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Posted:
*bump*

wicked! now i know the meanings of "crane" AND "spider"!

hell, all i need definitions of now are "fractal" and "shiznit"

then i might actually start understanding arashi!!!

hmm, maybe that's not such a good idea. Have you seen Scanners? eek wink

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arashiPooh-Bah
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Location: austin,tx


Posted:
haha simian well i hate to confuse the issue more but i also use it in a more specific way to refer to something similar to what are britishly called offsets. the main differentiation of each spider being the offset position which makes it different from the others. yes that's confusing when translating to hop but i do it sometimes because i only use these terms to teach the crossover positions and to write down hand positioning for choreography. doing a "5 beat weave" to me is unaesthetic asonine repitition. basically "beat" counts aren't as important as the offset hand positions and the overall patterns they can create by doing fwd and rev... so a 5 beat spider is both the full cycle of the fwd and rev, and also the specific offset _crossover_ (but not the offset figue 8 patterns)

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Posted:
a spider is a bug, with 8 legs, from the arachnid family.

Ohh, you meant spinning? No idea, never heard of it.

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Posted:
found the definition of Shiznit offtopic but still interesting

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