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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Ok, so I'm trying to get some BTB moves going. It looks like I'll eventually be able to get a butterfly down, but I'm running into problems with the weaves.

I've started just trying to play with one hand back there, but I keep banging my shoulders. I have very broad shoulders for my height (look in the gallery for an idea of the problem).

Anyone else with broad shoulders have this problem? Is this move even possible for people like us, or do I give up now and use my time more productively?


-Mike )'(
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Paddy


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Location: 4341'N 7938'W

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Posted:Yeeeah, don't worry about it. It's a matter of practice. I used to bang my shoulders all the time. My shoulders aren't overly broad, but they're broad enough that if I was able to get it I'd say you could too. You might just have to work a little harder. It's just a really tricky move.

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master sodium


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Location: carson city, nevada

Total posts: 536
Posted:as another broad-shouldered individual I do have the same problem. I can do them with only one poi, but with both I cant get my arms out far enough to clear my shoulders, and when I tilt them enough to clear the shoulders they hit my legs. I say dont give up, but I've found that I spent my time alot more productively without doing the BTB stuff. I usually only practice it once a week now. but also keep in mind you may be able to do it easier then me. my arms are very unflexible back there as well, so I got the double whammy. hope it helps.

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Jello


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Location: Mpls, MN, USA

Total posts: 646
Posted:I don't have broad shoulders, yet I still hit them when I try behind the back moves. Just practice alot, you can get pretty much any move with tons of practice. I almost gave up on the idea of the btb weave, but yesturday doing btb crosses just clicked. It's not a weave, but it's a step. The btb butterfly is a nifty move, though if I do it too long they get crossed and tangled.

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Prag


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Location: Bath or Oxford, England (depen...

Total posts: 17
Posted:I got btb weave only this last week end! Can only do about three cycles on average but lately I seem to have lost it again. Practice is the only answer and going through what works best. I don't know what the others think but I seem to have to rely on my fingers more to get that extra edge out of the wrist movement. I read somewhere here that starting it in reverse is good, it helped me. After all the bruises I got to my back, shoulders and legs I can't give up. Especially since I have nicknamed it 'the nut cruncher'! Keep it up

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Well, today's big accomplishment was that I got the windmill in the opposite direction from usual, which should allow me to spin with the poi over my head.

BTB is going to have to wait...


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Johnni


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Location: SW, England

Total posts: 24
Posted:Well my BTB crossover attempts are still at the "hitting shins v.frequently" stage. But I have faith! I WILL GET THERE...just with several bruises along the way

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Weazal


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Location: Cupertino CA USA

Total posts: 13
Posted:Ahh I remember the many countless nights of beating the crap outa myself trying to learn the btb weave. Then one day it finally clicked and I got it. Try using a staff to get the hand motions down for the btb stuff a freind of mine said that really helped him out. And maybe you'll end up with a few less bruises then I got.

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Paddy


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Location: 4341'N 7938'W

Total posts: 884
Posted:I haven't read the definitive wrap listing, so this one might already be in there, but I thought I'd mention this BTB wrap while BTB stuff is being discussed. Tis rather simple actually...while spinning a poi forward cross it over behind your back to the opposite arm, wrap, and bring back to original side. Feels lovely to do...

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wanderinglinton


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Location: Taiwan

Total posts: 31
Posted:Get two light (as in not heavy) sticks each about 1m long and practice with these until your hands understand what your head is trying to tell them.

Also move your body. Turn your head away from the side you are spinning on. I found (when trying to learn this and looking in a mirror) that my biggest problem was that the poi were mot moving parallel to my body but rather at 45 degrees because of the uncomfortable position of my hands.

Subsequently, every spin you are having to pull the poi out of its plane into another one - soon destined for whackage. In my case (since my poi were longer) continual shots to the face resulting in a black eye.

Anyhow - 2 sticks and twist. My $0.02

Good luck


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alterego
BRONZE Member since Jul 2001

alterego

Warm beer is infinitely colder than no beer
Location: Boulder, Co

Total posts: 222
Posted:doesn't really matter what your body frame is. after you practice and practice and practice you gain a better feel for the movement of the poi and you can adjust the turn of your body to that of the turn of your wrist to veer the poi away from your shoulders.

i've been working at it for four months, at this point i can do a 5 btb backwards but i can't turn circles left. i can do a btb weave forwards but can't turn right at all yet.

it takes SOOO much practice it's insane. i've been on the board for a year now listening to people hack out behind the back moves and i have yet to see someone get them all smoothly, don't give up! i'm almost there myself! *yay*!


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Aurora (1/2 a firesister)
GOLD Member since Jan 2002

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Location: Canada, Ontario, Toronto

Total posts: 249
Posted:I find that doing a btb butterfly first (since I find it easier) really gets me used to working btb...then I just bring them into regular backward swingin and then into the reverse weave.....meh...it's not super cool but it's a start...baby steps right?

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MrConfused
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

MrConfused

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Location: I wish I knew

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Posted:Try crossing one behind your back and one in front. It gets you used to passing poi behind you while still having to concentrate on what the other hand is doing. And it looks quite good too.

J


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TaiGuy


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Location: Yorktown, VA, USA

Total posts: 127
Posted:ahh... let's just get one thing down before we continute... when learning any of the BTB weaves... your gonna hurt

shoulders... flexibility... girth... what are these words to the wise and experienced? nothing but trivial irrelevant prattle.

it's a LOT easier when you start concentrating on not MOVING YOUR BODY as much to compensate for the poi. Instead, concentrate on MOVING THE POI so they avoid your body. Listen... i can barely touch my ankles when bending down and stretching... and since i lift regularly my arms don't move backwards at all lol

a lot of it just depends on timing and flow, slow it down, don't rush it, speed hurts, no matter what your level. At first you might wiggle like a worm desperately trying to avoid getting smacked, but you gradually learn to maniplate your wrists so that they cause the poi to move around you instead of into you


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Hangstrup


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Location: Denmark

Total posts: 18
Posted:Thanks for the tips everybody! I just got the BTB weave tonight! Gotta tell you; It fells damn sweet.. Well, catch you later, I've got some spinning to do!

(Just had to share, but you know how it is..)


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