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...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
I dont know about anyone else, bt soething that really bothers me is spinners who just start spinning because they think its cool and popular, and they dont bother to obtain any style. All they do is weave or butterfly really fast and get all snooty- but they have no style!! i mean, its soooo annoying!! >: (
Please comment on this...I dont want to be all alone in this !

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


pounceSILVER Member
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Posted:
lol, yes totally!!! i hate it especially when people come up to me in club and ask to borrow my shit (not my fire stuff, but my flags or sticks, etc.) cause they think they can do some cool ass shit and instead they spin them REALLY fast and smack themselves in the head. i almost want to lend it out just to see them hit themselves! and then they don't give your stuff back! argh, that's so annoying. you have to practically yank it out of their hands before you can get them back. i also hate the people who watch me breathe and think it's all cool so they ask if they can try. ummmmm....NO!!!! learn some fire safety first and then we'll talk!

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**


...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
yes! finally!! someone else! I just want to get the word out about that, just because you can spin fast doesnt *always* mean you kick proverbial ass.
*ahem*
that is all.

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


ZejBRONZE Member
member
34 posts
Location: Washington, DC (Foggy Bottom/West End), USA


Posted:
I dunno. I mean I first started due to the rave scene. I was doing this for about two years with some shoe strings and glow sticks before I even heard of what poi actually was. I had on my own developed a weave, helicopter, wraps, butterfly, giany butterfly, and a few other minor moves. When I was doing it at first a lot of people wanted to try it out and see what it was like, and yeah, most of them smacked themselves rather hard. But a few wound up taking it up and learning.

Even now when I spin at the tennis courts on campus here in DC people walk over and want to see and learn about it because it looks cool. I've let people try it unlit and told them to meet me at the raquetball courts I practice at if they want to learn a little.

I think that the curiosity aroused and the . . . for lack of a better word . . . coolness of poi is great. I think that as long as we introduce new potential spinners in the right way it's great to expand the art.
It's (back in the rave scene) the people who don't want anyone else to steal their thunder by doing the same thing and push new potential away that screw everything up.

If people want to try it out explain why you can't let them and givem a shot to learn the way they should, don't writem off just because they're acting like groupies.

~Zej


pounceSILVER Member
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Posted:
oh i'm not saying i push people away or anything. you can tell which people are wanting to try it cause they truly want to learn, and those who just want to look cool in front of their friends and cause they're drunk or high at a club/rave. i've taken in a lot of new learners just by them coming up and saying "hey that's cool, can you teach me?" in fact, one of the girls who asked me to teach her is now performing fire with a troupe in cali (**all mistied eyed...i'm so proud).

on the other hand, there are tons of people who do try it out for a little while cause it's cool and then just give up and never really learn the art and history of poi. and that's equally frustrating in it's own way.

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**


...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
You make a good point, its very true- but what I mean is that there are people out there who dont do it because they actually want to learn; they want to do it so they can showoff for their friends. They dont bother to lern anything about it; they just stand there and learn two or three moves and figure that they ae the wicked-est at it...I started the same way as you did- only I saw it from Ash Circle and I learned a little of the history of it fromtheir show. I thought it was so neat how thy had learned how to , in a way- 'tame' the fire (although it is never predictable). alot of peope do it because it looks cool and everyone else is doing it.

Ive accepted the fact that ts becoming popular; Im just upset that its not being appreciated the way it should be.
thanks for writing!

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


ZejBRONZE Member
member
34 posts
Location: Washington, DC (Foggy Bottom/West End), USA


Posted:
I can see where you're coming from. I'll give anyone a shot, i guess I'm hoping for the art to take any arrogance in the persons soul and convert them. Hell it happened to me, at first I did this cuz it looked cool and the chicks loved it. Now I don't care if one person is watching just to make sure I'm not on fire or if I have half my dorm staring out the windows overlookin where I spin.

There's potential in anyone who expresses interest I think. Just depends on if that potential is nurtured the right way.

Or maybe I'm just being waaaayyyyy too optimistic.

~Zej


...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
hehehe...either way, its still fun to 'convert' people over....it just ticks me off that people re only interested i the look oof it.

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


Foraumember
81 posts
Location: EIndhoven, Holland


Posted:
How can you think that the "just beginners" allready have a certain style when they are just beginners?
You cant have a style when you are only just beginning. The style comes later, when you can succesfully combine your moves and create your own rithem. But fot the "just beginners" it is important that they master the moves and can do them without endangering anyone.

Could you immagine what a chaos it would be when "just beginners" try to spin in style when they do not master the moves correctly?
That is why they don't have a style

EeraBRONZE Member
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1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia


Posted:
Like most technical things people will want to have a go, get to a certain level and then not put the effort into getting better when it starts to get difficult. How many people know enough guitar chords to strum along to something simple, but no more (Puts hand up as guilty).

Don't let it annoy you too much, just smile smugly and do your buzzsaw-bakwards BTB weave and backflip combo.

We are Hoppers. We are mighty.

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dj_gooseSunburnt Bournda Beach Bum
157 posts
Location: A Melbourne boy through and through


Posted:
out of curiousity and i know that this is a bit off the subject but do u have trouble spinning in clubs, i mean trouble with bouncers, managment? do u do it professionally for the club or just rock up with your stuff.....i am curious coz ne club i have ever been to there has never been room to move let alone spin and not endanger neone
cheers

Look to the moon, look to the stars, and if you still can't find happyness...find a bar!!!


dj_gooseSunburnt Bournda Beach Bum
157 posts
Location: A Melbourne boy through and through


Posted:
and to get back onto track...yes it annoys me to a point. One of the guys i learnt how to spin with was a lot like that (only wanted to do it for the cool facotr and he thought that it would help him pick up) but on the other hand, can u remember the first time u saw poi done well and how amazing it was, if i think back, i can't remember, but i bet i acted in just the way that we are getting annoyed at.

they are beginners, and everyone has to start from somewhere, those who drop out when it gets hard are the ones that we dont particually want messing with fire neway.

cheers

Look to the moon, look to the stars, and if you still can't find happyness...find a bar!!!


DeimosBRONZE Member
Cinnamon Girl
191 posts
Location: Hfx, NS, Canada


Posted:
I know exactly what you mean, phobos. I recently met a guy with chains to the ground that had a bunch of glow bracelets stck through them, who proceded to the weave at the speed of light, hitting himself with almost every rotation. I was really surprised and was like "Holy crap dude, calm down!" And he kinda gave me this bewildered look like "calm? the hell does that mean?".
He's been spinning for maybe a month or so, and now he's flipping out and wanting to do it with fire. What annoys me is that there's so many people like him, and whenever I learn about a new one I feel like it's my duty to admonish them sharply and then teach them all the technical and safety thing I've learned from my mentors and this site. There's just too many!!

P*L*U*R


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
This is a recurring thread on HoP

Relax and work towards not letting other people annoy you so much. Be the calm breeze that blows through their whirlwind. Spin your poi as you would, and let them spin theirs as they would. It's a big field out there, and there's plenty of room for every spinner.

Different people spin for different reasons, do not be so keen to judge their's. There are lots of histories of poi, and each person has their own personal past, present and future. Regardless of the past, the future is open.

I've taught a lot of people at clubs where they've been as high the kite that got caught on a space rocket as it took off. They've been happy to just spin a 2 beat and gurn and I've been happy 'cos they are. I've taught, or leant my poi, to people who wanted to impress their friends. It's their universe, I let them do what they wish with it as long as it don't mess up my universe. If it makes them happy then I let them to it.

People spin in different styles for different reasons. It's an expression of personality and mood. If you only saw me in fast mode then you'd label me a punk-ass spinner only interested in spinning fast. Then you'd see me spinning on the beach and reckon it must be another person.

If you met me, and asked me to teach you a move, I'd almost definitely tell you to slow down and chill out. I'd tell you that history doesn't matter. The dance matters.


mrFlibbleSILVER Member
Ghostbuster
455 posts
Location: York, UK


Posted:
i started because it looked cool. It's as good a reason to start as any. But the reason i keep doing it is not a lame reason like wanting to show off or pick up chicks. I do it for the feeling i get whilst doing it, and the even better feeling i get when i finally nail a new trick that i've been trying for days/weeks/months or however long its taken me.

I assume most people get a big buzz then they finally get that latest trick down

...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
glad to hear everyones opinion about it...Im just hoping that poi doesnt become all commercial like yo-yos or devil sticks did....that would (in a way) ruin a peice of it...not to mention, may or may not destroy the fire community due to the iiresponsible fire performers who are only doing it to look cool....
keep on teachin'!

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


Raymund Phule (Fireproof)Enter a "Title" here:
2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California


Posted:
Its okay to start something to look cool... because the people who just want to look cool die out really fast, true they are replaced just as fast, but the people who really fall in love with Poi are the ones who carry on and develope their own true style.

Give the annoying guys a break... you'll be around alot longer than them, there is no sence getting an ulcer over em

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"


DarkDevilmember
233 posts
Location: St. John's, Newfoundland.


Posted:
I to started because i saw ash circle, i thought, wow... thats cool.. i'd love to learn that... I spun with string and hackysacks for a while, but when i really got into it i forked out the money and bought myself the chains and ordered some kevlar shortly after. Personally, i'd rather spin in my backyard alone, then infront of 5, 15, or 50 people...

And as for those specific people deimo's is talking about, arrg.. i am all to familiar with them... They goto my school, as rosie knows, and they ask me to spin with them all the time. Rosie, seeing him spin poi turned your stomach eh? Imagine me, sitting in our schools quad (a little outdoor sanchary (spelling?) in the middle of our school, watching him spin Rope Dart... I just bite my tounge, and if he's making a fool of himself, or gonna hurt somebody i speak up and say, hey, want me to show you a trick? and then i take over and comment on how i can't stand his chains.

And whats this? are we ragging on Devilsticks now?

Ladies and gentlemen, this is not a trick, this is a stunt. The difference between a stunt and a trick is that a trick is something that tricks or fools the audience, a stunt is something that only an idiot would do -Ivan, Ash Circle, 10/04/03


...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
hahahaa...no, Im not against devil sticks...just an example, dark devil!

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


Raymund Phule (Fireproof)Enter a "Title" here:
2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California


Posted:
Heaven forbid but I am really loving my Devilsticks. Got em in the land of Oz, along with my $110 Oz double wicks... this things are monsters heheh...

I am a complete twit with the devilsticks but I am lovin em... I am spinning all the time in my room (my room is small than most peoples closets) and just having fun. My chains are too deadly to spin anywhere other than outside... I have really long chains the longer the better in my opinion

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"


DarkDevilmember
233 posts
Location: St. John's, Newfoundland.


Posted:
Ah yes, i've been devilsticking for 9 years.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is not a trick, this is a stunt. The difference between a stunt and a trick is that a trick is something that tricks or fools the audience, a stunt is something that only an idiot would do -Ivan, Ash Circle, 10/04/03


pounceSILVER Member
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Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by ...phobos...:
not to mention, may or may not destroy the fire community due to the iiresponsible fire
i gotta echo that thought. that's my biggest problem.....i don't care if people are doing it cause it looks cool cause deep down i know they're not gonna stick with it, and if they do then they've moved past the "coolness" of it. but like everything else, i think it's important to know the history of what you're doing (kinda like all those new feminists that think it's cool to be feminist but don't realize the history of our foremothers who got us to where we are now....respect!!). and then the idiots who try glowsticks for like a month and clearly have not learned enough and then just want to do fire without being even WILLING to look into fire safety. that used to bug the sh** out of me with my ex cause he'd be reckless as all hell when spinning fire. i had to beat some sense into him. and you would think after he accidently lit his face on fire he finally got my point, but no, it only slowed him down for a little while and then went back to being reckless. grr, so annoying. the public sees stuff like that and then the rest of us get punished by not letting us spin and whatnot. it's like dj_goose was saying...i'm sure we all have had problems attempting to spin in a club, not even fire just regular sticks or LEDs, most likely because some idiot in the past smacked someone because they weren't being careful. ok off my soapbox now

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**


Mistress AuroraHot Schtuff
1,032 posts
Location: Stillwater,OK/Wichita Falls,TX


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by dj_goose:
out of curiousity and i know that this is a bit off the subject but do u have trouble spinning in clubs, i mean trouble with bouncers, managment? do u do it professionally for the club or just rock up with your stuff.....i am curious coz ne club i have ever been to there has never been room to move let alone spin and not endanger neone
I went to a club where the bouncers made me put my glostix away or he would confiscate them. I asked why and he told me that he didn't want me to accidently hit some chick and then us get in a cat fight which he would have to break up.


RISK: Do not follow the common path; Go where there is no path and leave a trail.


funkymonkymember
192 posts
Location: oxford


Posted:
yeah, i totaly get this feeling too... a bit like music for me. listen to a certain music genre, i get very protectivce of it because i don't want it being "cool".. you know? you want people who are interested in it to be sencier in their love, not just listening because its cool, or because they think it'll get them noticed for being different. being a newbie is not a problem, its the attitude of the newbie which is important...

end of the day, if the difference between it being cool and it calling to you can be easily established... then you've got it solved right there and then.....


almost as easy as my other idea of getting everyone in the world to be really nice to each other so thre'll be peace on earth forever....

BirdGOLD Member
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6,086 posts
Location: Cornwall, United Kingdom


Posted:
speaking as a relative newbie to this(i've only been spinning a few months), I first got in to poi by seeing a friend spining and thinking that it looked,not only cool, but incredibly skillful and graceful!

I am now totaly addicted and can't get enough of that "new move" feeling!

i have only ever had one person come up and say that she wanted me to show her how to do it cos it looks cool, and she was rather inebriated at the time, her boyfriend reckoned it looked easy, so i handed over my glowsticks and let them both hurt themselves before they left us to it!!

My state of mind is not yours to define!

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."


pounceSILVER Member
All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
9,831 posts
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by birdsanctuary:
speaking as a relative newbie to this(i've only been spinning a few months), I first got in to poi by seeing a friend spining and thinking that it looked,not only cool, but incredibly skillful and graceful!

but see, there ya go. you appreciated the skill and artistic look of it, not just cause it (insert really dumb voice) "looked cool". i'm not trying to knock on all the people who started cause it looked cool and whatnot, but at some point you have to appreciate the skill and artistic look or there's no point. you can't love doing it if you don't appreciate that.



p.s. hey phobos....we are queens!!!! 26 and counting, oh ya! LOL

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**


...phobos...member
56 posts
Location: truro


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by funkymonky:
you want people who are interested in it to be sencier in their love, not just listening because its cool, or because they think it'll get them noticed for being different. being a newbie is not a problem, its the attitude of the newbie which is important...

perfectly said....attitude is everything. you can be generally be nterested in learning theart form or you can do it to pick up choicks and because everyone else thinks its cool...

man, it makes you wanna shoot them in the face and beat them with baseball bats, doesnt it?


Sic Kittymember
167 posts
Location: Richlands, North Carolina, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Zej:
When I was doing it at first a lot of people wanted to try it out and see what it was like, and yeah, most of them smacked themselves rather hard. But a few wound up taking it up and learning.

I agree with that. My friend got me into Poi, we both really suck, he is self taught...and I'm slowly learning. Anyway, before that I'd watched my cousin do Poi as well as people at local concerts. It always amazed me.
I thought I could never learn until my friend offered to show me how. Now I'll practice at the skating rink. Admittably, not the best place to practice. *shrugs* The kids there are always watching and want to try. And I'm happy to lend a hand. Cuz...honestly...who wants to be alone with there hobbies? I'd rather have somebody to share it with.

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SIC KITTY!
*cackles maniacally*
I suffer...*sob*...because I am better.

I don't really believe that.... *coughs*


ben-ja-menGOLD Member
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2,474 posts
Location: Adelaide, Australia


Posted:
quote:
Im just hoping that poi doesnt become all commercial like yo-yos or devil sticks did....that would (in a way) ruin a peice of it...not to mention, may or may not destroy the fire community due to the iiresponsible fire performers who are only doing it to look cool....

to be honest i hope it does become all commercial cos that will get it out there to a larger audience which means more ppl will get into it which means the twirling communitys will grow.

some of the "old school" twirlers in adelaide not all just some are very against twirling becoming more main stream as they feel it takes away from the "magic" of twirling. personally i see that attitude to mean i dont want ppl to steal my thunder and i dont want to learn any new stuff so lets keep it all secret. i really really dislike that attitude. the more ppl pushing the boundary the more ideas that will evolve

if ppl only spin to look cool infront of their friends and it gives them a buzz thats great, thats not my personal reason for spinning but if it works for them cool. twirling for me is a form of expression its not about whos the best

quote:
All they do is weave or butterfly really fast and get all snooty- but they have no style!! i mean, its soooo annoying
i personally find spinners like that amusing occasionally we get a new person come along who struts around (not that theres nething wrong with struting) and is all talk about how great they are and then they spin really fast dropping the stick every now and again. this sort of attitude from my encounters is usually caused cos they feel they have mastered everything there is under the sun and havnt pushed the boundarys

the change in demeaner is so drastic when they see some contact staff and even more so when i show them how to do it. i usually find that spinners like that actually then become very humble and push themselves once the door has been opened for them.

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?



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