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Posted:
I say keep it, from what it sounds like the ads wont be too invasive and i think youtube is great. I would pay to be a member (depending on how much) just like on tribe.net
But i may not be understanding fully. Would the flash ads be shown when the movie is not being played? i dont see that as a big deal. However i do think that youtube has done wonders for many people, and couldnt IMAGINE starting to spin without it.
I say keep it, from what it sounds like the ads wont be too invasive and i think youtube is great. I would pay to be a member (depending on how much) just like on tribe.net
But i may not be understanding fully. Would the flash ads be shown when the movie is not being played? i dont see that as a big deal. However i do think that youtube has done wonders for many people, and couldnt IMAGINE starting to spin without it.
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Posted:
youtube are also running the sorta opposite thing where people can make money from youtube by allowing ads to be on their pages and the only catch is that you have to upload vids quite recently but im sure we as a few thousand strong community could pull this off. im willing to offer my services even tho they are limited to pretty noobish spinning and a not-particually-good camera. on the whole tho i know the money will be passed on to us in the form of discounts and pretty things
youtube are also running the sorta opposite thing where people can make money from youtube by allowing ads to be on their pages and the only catch is that you have to upload vids quite recently but im sure we as a few thousand strong community could pull this off. im willing to offer my services even tho they are limited to pretty noobish spinning and a not-particually-good camera. on the whole tho i know the money will be passed on to us in the form of discounts and pretty things
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Posted:
I don't like youtube and I don't like adverts.
I voted for option 2.
I don't like youtube and I don't like adverts.
I voted for option 2.
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Posted:
I don't entirely understand...but I don't like the idea of adverts
I don't entirely understand...but I don't like the idea of adverts
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Posted:
I think the subversion by the big corporates of community-based communication mediums in order to bolster their profit margins is crap.
I dont watch TV for this reason (among others) and I'd hate to see it creeping in around the edges here.
I dont like corps trying to control my behaviour - and the places where I'm safe from their efforts are becoming smaller and fewer...please dont let HOP become yet another place with these influences.
(just my opinion tho).
Josh
I think the subversion by the big corporates of community-based communication mediums in order to bolster their profit margins is crap.
I dont watch TV for this reason (among others) and I'd hate to see it creeping in around the edges here.
I dont like corps trying to control my behaviour - and the places where I'm safe from their efforts are becoming smaller and fewer...please dont let HOP become yet another place with these influences.
(just my opinion tho).
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Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
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Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Posted:
For those saying "I don't understand" - Basically, YouTube (or rather Google who own YouTube) are going to start putting adverts in their videos - the latest I heard would be semi-transparent overlays at the bottom of the screen (Like you get on some TV programs; "Coming up next...."), as pre/post-ads can easily be skipped.
I don't know what would be displayed when the video isn't being played - i'd guess it'd still have to show the middle-frame of the video so people know what they're about to watch, but it could be adverts.
Personally I don't see it as much of a hassle to follow a link into a new tab to watch a video as opposed to just viewing it in the forum, so option 2 for me.
3 points:
1) OWD - Why don't you like YouTube?
2) Malc - do you know if the adverts will be related to the videos (where possible), and thus could HoP adverts appear in spinning vids?
3) How about a general shift to JuggleTube.com? Any advertising seems to be pretty juggling-industry based and it's a nice little community-based site. You can still embed and the quality seems to be a little higher than YouTube.
For those saying "I don't understand" - Basically, YouTube (or rather Google who own YouTube) are going to start putting adverts in their videos - the latest I heard would be semi-transparent overlays at the bottom of the screen (Like you get on some TV programs; "Coming up next...."), as pre/post-ads can easily be skipped.
I don't know what would be displayed when the video isn't being played - i'd guess it'd still have to show the middle-frame of the video so people know what they're about to watch, but it could be adverts.
Personally I don't see it as much of a hassle to follow a link into a new tab to watch a video as opposed to just viewing it in the forum, so option 2 for me.
3 points:
1) OWD - Why don't you like YouTube?
2) Malc - do you know if the adverts will be related to the videos (where possible), and thus could HoP adverts appear in spinning vids?
3) How about a general shift to JuggleTube.com? Any advertising seems to be pretty juggling-industry based and it's a nice little community-based site. You can still embed and the quality seems to be a little higher than YouTube.
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Posted:
Oh - I haven't voted as I'd personally wait to see what was displayed when the video wasn't playing. A short 10-second overlay really doesn't bother me and in all fairness is the price you pay for free video hosting, especially given the mass-viewing/market potentials out there.
I just wouldn't want to see Drews video thread turn into a row of adverts unless the video's playing...
And aside from JuggleTube, there are several other video hosting sites which allow embedding and haven't (yet) decided to enforce adverts - just JuggleTube seems more community-oreitnated.
Oh - I haven't voted as I'd personally wait to see what was displayed when the video wasn't playing. A short 10-second overlay really doesn't bother me and in all fairness is the price you pay for free video hosting, especially given the mass-viewing/market potentials out there.
I just wouldn't want to see Drews video thread turn into a row of adverts unless the video's playing...
And aside from JuggleTube, there are several other video hosting sites which allow embedding and haven't (yet) decided to enforce adverts - just JuggleTube seems more community-oreitnated.
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Posted:
maybe put an option in the user profile to display the link to users who dont want to see the player and would prefer a link which can be turned on by users who do want to have the videos embedded into the page.
>What future can you see for YouTube?
i think the advertising will be subtle and wont affect the user experience anymore than the ads displayed with googles search results
>Would you like to see Flash adverts on our forums?
yep they are providing a free video hosting service i dont have a problem with an advert paying for that service if it is subtle.
>Do you think there will be a global change to remove the YouTube flash player from others sites and just link to their website?
Nope most people dont care enough imho
maybe put an option in the user profile to display the link to users who dont want to see the player and would prefer a link which can be turned on by users who do want to have the videos embedded into the page.
>What future can you see for YouTube?
i think the advertising will be subtle and wont affect the user experience anymore than the ads displayed with googles search results
>Would you like to see Flash adverts on our forums?
yep they are providing a free video hosting service i dont have a problem with an advert paying for that service if it is subtle.
>Do you think there will be a global change to remove the YouTube flash player from others sites and just link to their website?
Nope most people dont care enough imho
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Posted:
Something to think about as well is the affect on older & slower computers of a thread containing 20 YouTube embeds. I know in the past when I've surfed from other computers a couple of threads have crippled the browser and internet connection.
I'm fine with going to YouTube, it also allows me more access to my playlists, favourites, etc...
Something to think about as well is the affect on older & slower computers of a thread containing 20 YouTube embeds. I know in the past when I've surfed from other computers a couple of threads have crippled the browser and internet connection.
I'm fine with going to YouTube, it also allows me more access to my playlists, favourites, etc...
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Posted:
I love YouTube for the possibilities it generates, but I don't like adverts coming with it. I understand if you remove it, unfortunately I will not have too much choice when embedding videos to my site...
I love YouTube for the possibilities it generates, but I don't like adverts coming with it. I understand if you remove it, unfortunately I will not have too much choice when embedding videos to my site...
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Posted:
1. It's not accessible to dial-up users
2. there used to be a thriving scene of video-sharing where people put up downloadable videos which others could save on their hard-drives: since you-tube, that's seriously diminished
3. the underlying ethos of you-tube is not video sharing- they actively modify their software to prevent people downloading (as opposed to streaming): the priority for you-tube is, instead, getting people to visit their pages i.e. marketing
Now it's understandable that you-tube do this- it's a business model with the aim being for them to make money.
And, of course, they have every right to do this; just as I have a right to not support them.
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3 points:
1) OWD - Why don't you like YouTube?
1. It's not accessible to dial-up users
2. there used to be a thriving scene of video-sharing where people put up downloadable videos which others could save on their hard-drives: since you-tube, that's seriously diminished
3. the underlying ethos of you-tube is not video sharing- they actively modify their software to prevent people downloading (as opposed to streaming): the priority for you-tube is, instead, getting people to visit their pages i.e. marketing
Now it's understandable that you-tube do this- it's a business model with the aim being for them to make money.
And, of course, they have every right to do this; just as I have a right to not support them.
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Dave, you use FireFox dont you?
Have you seen [url:https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006]this[/url] awesome addon?
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Dave, you use FireFox dont you?
Have you seen [url:https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006]this[/url] awesome addon?
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Posted:
Is this vote IP locked? Spanners voted but I haven't, and it won't let me..
Is this vote IP locked? Spanners voted but I haven't, and it won't let me..
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Posted:
or get an IP switcher 
Not that anyone would do that. But you could... 
Written by: YakumoThey generally are on HoP. If you log in tomorrow then you'll be able to vote
Is this vote IP locked? Spanner's voted but I haven't, and it won't let me..
or get an IP switcher Not that anyone would do that. But you could... Meh
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Posted:
Was online video ever accessible to dial up users?
I think that video sharing has increased now that theres free hosting available thats easy to use, whats more its searchable. If cool videos are hosted on youtube it means that if a really cool site like soton firespinning goes offline all its videos arnt lost to the community.
searching google for "youtube video download" brings up loooots of services to download their vids most of which require no technical knowledge, making it available to the masses who are so inclined to download.
Written by: onewheeldave
1. It's not accessible to dial-up users
Was online video ever accessible to dial up users?
Written by: onewheeldave
2. there used to be a thriving scene of video-sharing where people put up downloadable videos which others could save on their hard-drives: since you-tube, that's seriously diminished
I think that video sharing has increased now that theres free hosting available thats easy to use, whats more its searchable. If cool videos are hosted on youtube it means that if a really cool site like soton firespinning goes offline all its videos arnt lost to the community.
Written by: onewheeldave
3. the underlying ethos of you-tube is not video sharing- they actively modify their software to prevent people downloading (as opposed to streaming): the priority for you-tube is, instead, getting people to visit their pages i.e. marketing
searching google for "youtube video download" brings up loooots of services to download their vids most of which require no technical knowledge, making it available to the masses who are so inclined to download.
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Posted:
Thanks for the link- I'll checkit out.
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Dave, you use FireFox dont you?
Have you seen [url="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006"]this[/url] awesome addon?
Thanks for the link- I'll checkit out.
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Yes. I've still got loads of the old vide from years back that I downloadedon dial-up. Plus, with them being downloadable, anyone could stick them on a CD and pass them on. Happy days- things have gone downhill since then
True- but, as you-tubes motivation is not video sharing, but more about getting people to visit their pages, they consistently update their software to thwart the downloaders.
Additionally, even when you do download one of their vids, the quality of the video is way below that of the old downloadable videos.
But whatever- if people are happy to put up with the marketing-driven ethos of you-tube and others like them, then fair enough.
Personally, I think you-tube is crap. If they want to provide free video hosting then, I'd have a lot more respect for them if, for each streaming vid, they provided a link for those who want to download it .
Written by: ben-ja-menWritten by: onewheeldave
1. It's not accessible to dial-up users
Was online video ever accessible to dial up users?
Yes. I've still got loads of the old vide from years back that I downloadedon dial-up. Plus, with them being downloadable, anyone could stick them on a CD and pass them on. Happy days- things have gone downhill since then
Written by: ben-ja-menWritten by: onewheeldave
3. the underlying ethos of you-tube is not video sharing- they actively modify their software to prevent people downloading (as opposed to streaming): the priority for you-tube is, instead, getting people to visit their pages i.e. marketing
searching google for "youtube video download" brings up loooots of services to download their vids most of which require no technical knowledge, making it available to the masses who are so inclined to download.
True- but, as you-tubes motivation is not video sharing, but more about getting people to visit their pages, they consistently update their software to thwart the downloaders.
Additionally, even when you do download one of their vids, the quality of the video is way below that of the old downloadable videos.
But whatever- if people are happy to put up with the marketing-driven ethos of you-tube and others like them, then fair enough.
Personally, I think you-tube is crap. If they want to provide free video hosting then, I'd have a lot more respect for them if, for each streaming vid, they provided a link for those who want to download it .
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Location: Canberra, Australia
Posted:
Not so much un accessible but it can really hand up your system if you open a thread and a video automaticaly starts downloading. Where as if you can just open a thread and then chose click a link to download the video in to another window you don't get a heaps of videos trying to down load at once.
Written by: ben-ja-menWritten by: onewheeldave
1. It's not accessible to dial-up users
Was online video ever accessible to dial up users?
Not so much un accessible but it can really hand up your system if you open a thread and a video automaticaly starts downloading. Where as if you can just open a thread and then chose click a link to download the video in to another window you don't get a heaps of videos trying to down load at once.
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Posted:
Only if it's the youtube link though. when the video is embedded, you have to click the play button before it even starts to load.
Only if it's the youtube link though. when the video is embedded, you have to click the play button before it even starts to load.
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Posted:
I try to avoid advertising as much as possible. I used to think that it didn't really matter if there was advertising around, that my mind could just block it out. I was wrong, it does affect you! So yea, i'd be happier if only hyperlinks were used.
I try to avoid advertising as much as possible. I used to think that it didn't really matter if there was advertising around, that my mind could just block it out. I was wrong, it does affect you! So yea, i'd be happier if only hyperlinks were used.
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Posted:
I voted.
(No, I'm not saying what I voted). No matter what the outcome, it might be worthwhile sharing it with YouTube.
I voted.
(No, I'm not saying what I voted). No matter what the outcome, it might be worthwhile sharing it with YouTube.
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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
I voted thumbs down on the advertising...we're tortured by it enough as it is. I've never cared about embeddable videos and one thing I can't understand is ...Why use You tube when, clearly, Dailymotion is a better option. ?
I voted thumbs down on the advertising...we're tortured by it enough as it is. I've never cared about embeddable videos and one thing I can't understand is ...Why use You tube when, clearly, Dailymotion is a better option. ?
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Posted:
Hohum... I hate adverts, but love youtube.
Even if it was just some overlay, it'd suck.
But what would suck even more if an actual 30 second ad came on *before* the actual video. Lots of sites do that now and its truly a pain in the ass.
So I'm pretty much against allowing adds on HoP, even if its in some sneaky little way.
Take 'em down as they appear, I say.
Hohum... I hate adverts, but love youtube.
Even if it was just some overlay, it'd suck.
But what would suck even more if an actual 30 second ad came on *before* the actual video. Lots of sites do that now and its truly a pain in the ass.
So I'm pretty much against allowing adds on HoP, even if its in some sneaky little way.
Take 'em down as they appear, I say.
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