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Little update for you all (thought I'd start a new thread as the last one was getting a bit big!!). I've been a busy bee tonight and I now have 4 pairs of the MK4 (dare I say final?) boards soldered together... now to get something to put 'em in ready for Synergy!
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Little update for you all (thought I'd start a new thread as the last one was getting a bit big!!). I've been a busy bee tonight and I now have 4 pairs of the MK4 (dare I say final?) boards soldered together... now to get something to put 'em in ready for Synergy!
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There is indeed some more footage, but it needs editing...
*looks at chutney*
There is indeed some more footage, but it needs editing...
*looks at chutney*
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Who? What?
Oh Yeah!
Do you think it is time for the next installment Jon?
Who? What?
Oh Yeah!
Do you think it is time for the next installment Jon?
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Could well be.. although I'd be tempted to get yourself, Yakumo and Sym together for a spin first if you get my meaning
Could well be.. although I'd be tempted to get yourself, Yakumo and Sym together for a spin first if you get my meaning
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Yes, Yes.. Do Do
hmm... Where's old videos btw, gotta show the peeps in the swedish poi community..
( main reason for wanting vids ).
Lol, ill take care of doing the advertising over here Jon, don't worry.. Haha.
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hmm... Where's old videos btw, gotta show the peeps in the swedish poi community..
( main reason for wanting vids ).
Lol, ill take care of doing the advertising over here Jon, don't worry.. Haha.
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Well the original video is [Old link].
I made some progress tonight... well sort of. I thought I'd got the code in place to do the button presses (at least the bit to turn them on / off). But not having my proper programming hardware I thought I'd try just uploading it across the USB port, the same way you load new sequences. It seems I have a bug because now both the poi I uploaded to just go green and sit there
Guess I'll have to go visit my folks and upload from scratch. Ah well, would've been nice if it'd worked first go
[Edit] Lol, just watched the vid - still makes me chuckle [/Edit]
EDITED_BY: *HyperLight (1164686111)
Well the original video is [Old link].
I made some progress tonight... well sort of. I thought I'd got the code in place to do the button presses (at least the bit to turn them on / off). But not having my proper programming hardware I thought I'd try just uploading it across the USB port, the same way you load new sequences. It seems I have a bug because now both the poi I uploaded to just go green and sit there
Guess I'll have to go visit my folks and upload from scratch. Ah well, would've been nice if it'd worked first go
[Edit] Lol, just watched the vid - still makes me chuckle [/Edit]
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cake!
cake!
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Certainly better than the alternatives... and speaking of which, I've just knocked up a first attempt at the new GUI:
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(Apologies for the large file!)
It's pretty crude right now and half of the stuff you can see in those windows was photoshopped in, but this was more to get an idea if this is the sort of thing people would want to use?
It'll be almost exclusively drag and drop. So you start a new sequence in the bottom window and then just drag in effects and other sequences to build up your own.
The top left window will hook up to the website allowing you to download all the things other people have come up with and shared
Certainly better than the alternatives... and speaking of which, I've just knocked up a first attempt at the new GUI:
Non-Https Image Link
(Apologies for the large file!)
It's pretty crude right now and half of the stuff you can see in those windows was photoshopped in, but this was more to get an idea if this is the sort of thing people would want to use?
It'll be almost exclusively drag and drop. So you start a new sequence in the bottom window and then just drag in effects and other sequences to build up your own.
The top left window will hook up to the website allowing you to download all the things other people have come up with and shared
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great start
would be entirely usable once a timeline was added.
great start
would be entirely usable once a timeline was added.
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oh, I meant to ask, you said you'd use free tools to code so anyone can get involved, what are you using? one of the free MS express editions, notepad and the intel compiler?
oh, I meant to ask, you said you'd use free tools to code so anyone can get involved, what are you using? one of the free MS express editions, notepad and the intel compiler?
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I was thinking I'd possibly add that as another section of the bottom window if that makes sense?
I was thinking I'd possibly add that as another section of the bottom window if that makes sense?
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of course it does, did you ever play with vegas or even get to see that screenshot?
of course it does, did you ever play with vegas or even get to see that screenshot?
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Yeah, i saw the screen shot - that gave me some inspiration
Yeah, i saw the screen shot - that gave me some inspiration
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please please please nab the free vegas trial ( https://www.sonymediasoftware.com/download/step2.asp?DID=698
yes sony are evil, sadly they bought out the excellent sonicfoundry who actually made this, and soundforge) and play with it for a bit, it's the perfect example of how timeline stuff with visual and audible parts should be (yes later on I'll be bugging you about importing wav files as it's the only way to sync a sequence to music sensibly)
but do it tomorrow, get some SLEEP!
please please please nab the free vegas trial ( https://www.sonymediasoftware.com/download/step2.asp?DID=698
yes sony are evil, sadly they bought out the excellent sonicfoundry who actually made this, and soundforge) and play with it for a bit, it's the perfect example of how timeline stuff with visual and audible parts should be (yes later on I'll be bugging you about importing wav files as it's the only way to sync a sequence to music sensibly
)but do it tomorrow, get some SLEEP!
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I had a quick look at it this morning... first impressions are that it's incredibly slow (took ages to load) and looks very complicated. I managed to drag a video in there (admittedly across the network) but didn't get a lot further.
What would you draw my attention to in there? What works and what doesn't?
I had a quick look at it this morning... first impressions are that it's incredibly slow (took ages to load) and looks very complicated. I managed to drag a video in there (admittedly across the network
) but didn't get a lot further.What would you draw my attention to in there? What works and what doesn't?
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out of interest, in your hyper-staff, could you control the leds individually? or as one?
out of interest, in your hyper-staff, could you control the leds individually? or as one?
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The staff would basically be the same hardware as the poi - one in each end so they'd be individually controller. I've already done the work to change the shape of the PCB so I could in fact make a couple now if anyone would be interested in testing
The staff would basically be the same hardware as the poi - one in each end so they'd be individually controller. I've already done the work to change the shape of the PCB so I could in fact make a couple now if anyone would be interested in testing
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ahhhh, so it's just two leds... one at each end?
ahhhh, so it's just two leds... one at each end?
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Couldn't you switch it so the led's were in the middle?
Thus meaning on-the-spin control, easier charging and less chance of breakage?
Couldn't you switch it so the led's were in the middle?
Thus meaning on-the-spin control, easier charging and less chance of breakage?
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can't you just make it so that the boards are thin, with leds on each side, and all the way along the staff, like as many as you can squish in there, with batteries are either end? and immensely good diffusion and individual led control for rainbow effects?
can't you just make it so that the boards are thin, with leds on each side, and all the way along the staff, like as many as you can squish in there, with batteries are either end? and immensely good diffusion and individual led control for rainbow effects?
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and a space for storing chocolate?
and a space for storing chocolate?
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and FREE chocolate!
and FREE chocolate!
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Yeah, free chocolate with the first 2000 purchases.
As long as the LEDs or circuits don't melt the chocolate...
Hmmm, maybe a mini cooling section to ensure cool, crisp chocolate.
Jon?
Yeah, free chocolate with the first 2000 purchases.
As long as the LEDs or circuits don't melt the chocolate...
Hmmm, maybe a mini cooling section to ensure cool, crisp chocolate.
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LEDs in the middle? - Yes, that's possible but there is a problem in that the batteries need to be close to the LEDs for efficiency reasons. Also, you'd have no weight at the ends which I'm led to believe makes for rubbish staffs... maybe you could weight the ends with chocolate though?
LEDs all the way up the staff? - I could do that, but each LED costs £5 and you'd need a car battery on each end of the staff. At least that would solve the weight problem mentioned above! ..oh, and you'd go blind quickly
Chocolate storage space? - In the poi, I've already made provision for this. Note the empty half of the ball:
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...although given the temperatures the prototypes reached at Synergy you'd have to eat it quick! I'm going to have to add some ventilation and accept that they won't be entirely water tight!
Free chocolate? - Yes, free chocolate for everyone tomorrow
Hope that answers a few questions?
LEDs in the middle? - Yes, that's possible but there is a problem in that the batteries need to be close to the LEDs for efficiency reasons. Also, you'd have no weight at the ends which I'm led to believe makes for rubbish staffs... maybe you could weight the ends with chocolate though?
LEDs all the way up the staff? - I could do that, but each LED costs £5 and you'd need a car battery on each end of the staff. At least that would solve the weight problem mentioned above! ..oh, and you'd go blind quickly
Chocolate storage space? - In the poi, I've already made provision for this. Note the empty half of the ball:
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...although given the temperatures the prototypes reached at Synergy you'd have to eat it quick! I'm going to have to add some ventilation and accept that they won't be entirely water tight!
Free chocolate? - Yes, free chocolate for everyone tomorrow
Hope that answers a few questions?
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each led is only a fiver? cheaper than an aerotech ultimate then, even if you had 100.
more brighteness is always a good thing, if it's too bright you can turn it down... but if it's too dim you're screwed.
each led is only a fiver? cheaper than an aerotech ultimate then, even if you had 100.
more brighteness is always a good thing, if it's too bright you can turn it down... but if it's too dim you're screwed.
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Hehe, how very true!
I think one LED in each end will be more than enough though. You've seen HyperLights in action right?
Hehe, how very true!
I think one LED in each end will be more than enough though. You've seen HyperLights in action right?
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From what I've seen, even with 2 LEDs the staffs would be 10 times brighter than aerotech staffs.
From what I've seen, even with 2 LEDs the staffs would be 10 times brighter than aerotech staffs.
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only early prototypes. Can't really tell from video... I've seen the ultimate staff and it's pretty bright. Not as bright as it should be, but brighter definately.
only early prototypes. Can't really tell from video... I've seen the ultimate staff and it's pretty bright. Not as bright as it should be, but brighter definately.
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All good points.. I don't know what the new 'ultimate' staffs are like brightness wise although I'd obviously be intrigued to see one
All good points.. I don't know what the new 'ultimate' staffs are like brightness wise although I'd obviously be intrigued to see one
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well it's insanely slow to load up if you have background virus scanning checking every file it hits... and I'd probably suggest disabling the media manager (options -> preferences -> general tab, 6th check box from the bottom).
but it's a hell of a lot faster both to load, and more importantly use... than any version of adobe premier.. or any other full featured video suite I've tried (lots)
anyway, things to try to check out the UI :
drag an audio free vid onto the timeline, (or any vid then delete the audio) import a wav file (or more you can stack loads), add other video clips in, zoom in/out on your timeline (+/- at the end of the scrollbar)
try adding some video FX's (see tabs bottom left) or Transition (help covers it well if stuck)
video codec of the vid you import can massively effect performance, as can filesize, and ...pulling it live over a network, lol
PS. now you've got a decent package to do the next hyperlight promo vid
well it's insanely slow to load up if you have background virus scanning checking every file it hits... and I'd probably suggest disabling the media manager (options -> preferences -> general tab, 6th check box from the bottom).
but it's a hell of a lot faster both to load, and more importantly use... than any version of adobe premier.. or any other full featured video suite I've tried (lots)
anyway, things to try to check out the UI :
drag an audio free vid onto the timeline, (or any vid then delete the audio) import a wav file (or more you can stack loads), add other video clips in, zoom in/out on your timeline (+/- at the end of the scrollbar)
try adding some video FX's (see tabs bottom left) or Transition (help covers it well if stuck)
video codec of the vid you import can massively effect performance, as can filesize, and ...pulling it live over a network, lol
PS. now you've got a decent package to do the next hyperlight promo vid
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I dunno, you give them poi, they demand a staff :rolleyes:
The 'problem' with the video was that the hyperlights were so bright my camera tended to pick up all the light in such a way that it made it look white- the colours don't come out that well on the footage. I'm looking into getting a filter for my video camera to resolve the problem, but I dare say some of it will see the light of day at some point
I dunno, you give them poi, they demand a staff :rolleyes:
The 'problem' with the video was that the hyperlights were so bright my camera tended to pick up all the light in such a way that it made it look white- the colours don't come out that well on the footage. I'm looking into getting a filter for my video camera to resolve the problem, but I dare say some of it will see the light of day at some point
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