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ben-ja-menGOLD Member
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Posted:
im editing a video at the moment and i was just wondering what motivated different people to make videos

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UCOFSILVER Member
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Posted:
Boredom.
or if it hasnt been a while....

*whistles innocently*

wink

PyroWillGOLD Member
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Posted:
well i seem to lack motivation adn require ppl mercilessly messaging me before i get off my [censored] and finish an edit, he he ben have u seen my isaac video?

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strugzBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Time.........

Motivation is there, got footage, got tunes......just time rolleyes

Gimme a month wink

ubblol

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Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
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Posted:
because describing firetwirling movements by text alone makes my brain hurt.

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_Aime_SILVER Member
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Posted:
because its fun. and it makes everybody who is in the video smiiiile smile:)

mcpPLATINUM Member
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Posted:
so people understand what you're talking about without getting RSI.

Plus tutorials...

Plus just to make a nice, fun video. I feel great watching a cool video with new moves / good flow. So I like to make them for people too.

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
i do it because i can (i.e. have access to both a videocamera and editing equipment) - but time is definitely the limiting factor.

i'd like to say i do it for the skill share side of things but that is blatently not true.

i make videos simply because when i get old and my wrists have fallen off, i would like to have a record of what i used to be able to do smile

so, to answer your question ben, probably the excitement of pushing forwards and doing something new to me - those are always the times when i want to go out and tape things anyway...


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Cos it's the only way I can see what I look like. The fact that others can see it too is just an extra ubbloco

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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
cos i want to make myslf look much cooler than i am!hence having pk in my last vid, makes me look better (cool by assosciation)
ubblol

what drives me to make a video, is pretty much normal, bordness, wanting to have some one pat you on the back and say well done to be honest, same as most of us do, or you wnat to rebeber or have a marker for 5rs down the line to remember what you where like back then....

making avideo is a special thing, you open yourself up to the whole world, and sometimes you do well , sometimes you fall falt

its difficult

the reasons why i have only realsed two of the vids i have made is down to my own level of happiness with them, any monkey can stick a tune over some spinning and release it, but you acutally make a reallly good vid to watch over and over again, has to be the right music for the footage, it has tosit correctly in time, and it has to be watchable, tehre is no point in making a 3 min vid of orning stuff, you have to look at it like a music video, you are trying to draw people in

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Posted:
I think that's a very individual view mech.

If you view it as a piece of art, and take time and care over all the important aspects such as composition, editing, music, timing, atmosphere etc then yes, it is similar to a music vid.

If you just put a bit of spinning on tape (like 'any monkey' wink ) and posted it so that others can have a look too then the same rules don't apply.

Or if you're just trying to show a specific move that you can't describe etc......

If you're trying to show off your skills as a spinner then the criteria change again.

smile

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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
true i see what you mean, i always try ad get y work to have a high production value, vids, pics, staffs, anything.....

i do see what you are saying, but even if you aretrying to showcase a move, if edieted properly with time and care you can show off 5 times more than just filming the move and loading itto the net!

i have seen some really nice move explanation vids, where the move is done, and then slow mo'd, but stil not seen one that would be to the same level as i would like to do eon (but im not good enough to do a teaching vid)

where you do teh move, and then break every part down, with comentary over it, explaining how far to lean, where to pinch with you neck or stuff like that

much like you would have if some one was standing in front of you teachin you in a park!

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
i agree with mech in a lots of ways - production quality is what makes the difference between watching a video once and watching it every day for a year.

it doesn't necessarily mean sh!thot editing and fancy camera tricks.
oli's 'not a sock in sight' is one of the best examples of 'simple but great' for me as it has all the elements i personally like to see - good well-paced music, long shots/few cuts, and a steady camera with good framing (tripods rule!).

however, video editing is a big skill and not many people have it.

the standard of my skills there are way under par and making videos in the way that mech wants to, takes a large degree of forward planning and skill (in an area completely unrelated to what we do).

but that should not be a demotivator - get out there and make the video.
you can worry about whether it is any good when its done and you're thinking about the next one... smile


cole. x

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mechBRONZE Member
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what i would like to do is make a basic contact video

i would like to get three or four contactors together, and the film about 10 moves in total, andthen realy break them down, i would have done this alread if i had some contact people in my area, but as i dont, its rather hard, i might do a promo and try to explain what i mean in time

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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
oh and i agree with cole TRIPODS ARE A MUST FOR VID MAKING

unless you are looking at hardcore high scope angles, in which you cant get them to work,

but for still work, tripods NEVER!;)

Step (el-nombrie)


ben-ja-menGOLD Member
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Location: Adelaide, Australia


Posted:
fly me and lex to england and you can film me all you like wink

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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
mate, i would love to

i have such a clear image in my head of what i want, i just need some hardcore time to sit down woth some people and get some it down onto tape, and audio!

i want it to that all basic moves for contact taht we use words to describe are done in a video really quickly and well!

Step (el-nombrie)


Mr ChutneySILVER Member
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Posted:
OK- I have loads of footage, most of which is outdated and I have now surpassed, but the limiting factor is the ability to use good software to come up with an interesting result. I strongly believe that good spinning will warrant rewatching nomatter how its portrayed to a great extent, but there are some videos that just mate beautiful spinning with brilliant production (Nick Woolseys ever referenced Dervishly Yers and Oli and FNFs vids being great examples).

I have premier, yet am totally useless with it. WMM I hate as it only alows WMV in any decent size, though I saw that mech highlighted another program elsewhere which I'll take a look at- cheers:)). But if I can get my head around the software, and actually start being vaguely creative, you may see quite a lot of output from Chutney towers (including an extremely belated Fal 3 vid smile)

mechBRONZE Member
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well to be honest - a couple of my favvids, have been dow in WMM, jonnie ucof fist one was done there, my first one nipp summer party one was done there, as was another nipp one done by smalls

premier is a great prog if you wnat to high end production work, and i have done a music vid in it, but nothing huge, and nothing im allowed to realse

but it takes a long time to battle to teh end of a vid, when WMM or pinnacle will do it in half the time or less, with little more results!

Step (el-nombrie)


colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
the problem being mech, that firespinners are by nature, slack (which i reckon might be what this thread is all about ben...?).

how many years has there been talk of a 'london juggling/spinning' video? ubblol

to do a video like the one you're talking about mech either needs a contact staffer as in love with the idea as you are (who is local and has lots of time), or you need to pay someone to be in it (which means selling it afterwards to recoup your costs).

shrug


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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
i see what you are saying cole

but i dont agree that you ned some one as in love with the idea as you,

if you had (and prob did do) come to juggling, learn some basic tricks, and then instead of having vids, and little java coded things to help you, you had to read all the threads to understand how to juggle
would you not be happy to try and help sone one make a basic teaching vid?



i dont think you have a real idea of time line i would need a spinner for, the filming would not be the long part, it would be the laying down the of the audio more i think

i think i really need to use words, not text to expalin this, but the first series of vids would not be on sale they would be free, as knoledge is better for free, and to be honest im not actually doing anything more than a vid already does, basically trying to take Mcp's website idea, to teh next stage to make the lessons more wider

Step (el-nombrie)


colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
the theory is sound but i still think you are the one who possibly has a skewed idea of how long it takes to get the exact footage you need - especially when you are trying to show very small nuances in technique.

depends if you have it all written.

i was pretty involved when these videos were being made.
they had all the shots planned beforehand, had a several preparatory meetings with the producers and still, with two professional camera operators on hand at all times, it took well over a week to get all the required footage (its all about the angles innit wink).

but it doesn't really matter what i think - i'll just watch it once its done. smile

and by the way mech - no, i wouldn't juggle on a video to help someone else learn, you should know that... tongue


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mechBRONZE Member
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i know thats why i was talking about sticks, and i knwo you are a mean git, and would not do it wink

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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
i do still see what you are saying cole, but i am talking about 10 moves, and i knwo how long that will take to get down

it would take around a day, with mutli angles as well!

its all own to teh value you place on reusing previously sampled shots

i understand what you are saying, but i think we should have a meeting to talk about it

then again you dnt do stick,*goes off to find a usefull person* l;)

Step (el-nombrie)


mcpPLATINUM Member
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Posted:
I made my tutorials so people didn't have to learn (like i did) from fire videos shot in low light with the move done extremely fast. Hence they have a couple of angles (occassionally) slo-mo and bright bright daylight. (hmmmm daylight) I mean you can see everything thats going on! What more do you want? wink

oooooo, gotta go, wanted to write more but can't...

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Posted:
I am about to post a tutorial that CERTAINLY does NOT fit all those criteria. But IMO it's better than nothing and I don't have the time or the equipment to make it any better. shrug

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ben-ja-menGOLD Member
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Location: Adelaide, Australia


Posted:
Written by: coleman


the problem being mech, that firespinners are by nature, slack (which i reckon might be what this thread is all about ben...?).

how many years has there been talk of a 'london juggling/spinning' video? ubblol




hehe would you believe i havnt watched any of the footage yet ubbangel but winters a coming.

the thread was kinda a search for inspiration, ive been wanting to edit loooooots of footage but just havnt been able to find the motivation, it just takes so long even to do a half assed job and it doesnt make me smile as much as it used to. the minds willing but the hearts not in it *shrugs* one rainy day no doubt

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mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
i know fire spinners are slack,

and mcp im not baggin on your tutorials, they are awsome, and i have told you that!

but i think a uni-form set of tricks filmed and edited well, could be amazing

and cole, if i was going to film maybe an hour's worth of of video, i would prob have to shoot around a weeks worth of footage, but as ill be doing it in 10 min sections, then , i wil only have to shoot for about 20 - 30 mins at most!

so maybe a day to get the first 10 moves out

Step (el-nombrie)


steve dbBRONZE Member
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Posted:
to my eye mcp's tutorials show you everything you need to know and present it in a quirky and funny manner (which is probably the hardest part to get right).

ben: i make videos because i hate waiting ages for other people to biggrin. also because i've had so much inspiration from other people's videos that it's nice to try and put a little back smile. that, and the fact that i want to take over the world.

mechBRONZE Member
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Posted:
ubblol

im not trying to say mcps list is not good, far from it, i admire it, and se it as a source of power

but if you buy a tutorial dvd thats the kind of idea i have, and want tomake, when i have the time!

Step (el-nombrie)


steve dbBRONZE Member
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Posted:
it's too late mech, the damage has been done. you've upset mcp so much that she can't type through her tears:

Written by: mcp


oooooo, gotta go, wanted to write more but can't...




and here you clearly imply...

Written by: mech


but i think a uni-form set of tricks filmed and edited well, could be amazing





...that they're filmed and edited badly. but i do agree that they'd be better if mcp was in some sort of uniform. biggrin

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