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wulff


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Location: SA, TX, USA

Total posts: 79
Posted:I was at wallyworld(walmart) last night looking around at different fuels. Their coleman fuel didn't say anything on it about what it was made of or anything of that sort, which in my opinion is not kewl. guy at the counter was like "its basically gasoline" so i was like "umm yeah" either way i put it back. I went and found their lamp oil. One said >99% parraffin and was smoke/odorless. The other was, and i quote "No less than 100% parraffin" and was not smoke/odorless. Now maybe its just me... but doesn't this seem wrong? I thought :"KEROSENE (called paraffin in many places outside the U.S.)"and"However, only a very few brands of kerosene are 100% pure, with no additives. These are sold as aviation kerosene and are not available to the general public. As of December 1998, I can find only Exxon Aviation Turbo Fuel, Mobil Jet Fuel-Kerosene turbine fuel, and Pennzoil Kerosene Turbine Fuel (Aviation). "(both taken from : http://www.homeofpoi.com/fuel.htm
P1 and P3 respectively)Now I am just checking cause its better that way. I know as lamp oil it should be fine, it just seems odd-wulff


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Otay....Coleman is White Gas. The guy at the counter was right. Most gasolene is red, this one is purified down, lead taken out, processed and is white. It does say white gas on my canister of it that i got from Wallyworld here.AND smokeless/odorless lamp oil is only 99% because it has additives that make up the other 1%, which is what makes it smokeless and odorless. The additive is **very** toxic if you decide to eat/breathe with it. Otherwise it is good for indoor performances.The other is parraffin oil with no additives, unless you get the coloured kind, which again is **very** toxic. Processing and what is put into it is what makes the difference in the ingredient list.In case you want to know.My Best to you------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...http://www.pyromorph.com

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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wulff


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Location: SA, TX, USA

Total posts: 79
Posted:thank you very much for the information.. greatly appreciated

wulff

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adamrice


adamrice

poo-bah
Location: Austin TX USA

Total posts: 1015
Posted:Actually, according to the COleman website, their fuel and white gas are different. I know that Coleman fuel burns a little cooler than generic "camp fuel".Also, just to be picky, lead is not removed from gasoline, as it's not naturally there in the first place. Lead is an additive (which you never find in the USA anymore) that was added as a cheap way to raise the octane rating. I believe that Coleman and white gas are approximately the same fraction from crude as gasoline, though.

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Available


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Location: ringwood,nj usa

Total posts: 93
Posted:SOORY KIDS PARK"S CLOSED!oh that cracked me up -wally world! that kicks tarjay's ass- target

Better to Burn out than Fade out, Baby!

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Shouden-CrD
SILVER Member since Apr 2001

Veteran Member
Location: Tampa, FL, USA

Total posts: 495
Posted:adam,Thanks for that clarification. :P *looks at four bottles of "GRILL TIME charcoal lighter fliud"* Was learning trailin and eating..might be best to work with the coolest fuel. Guess I'll have to get some coleman's tomorrow as well.CRD

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:However Adam, if you call the 1-800 number (And speak with Shannon) they will tell you it is a form of white gas, which is a gasolene derrivative. Cheaper versions of camp fuel aren't exactly the same at all. They have something in them that actually effects burn time and leaves things with a soapy kind of residue. They are fine for trailing though and the heat difference between them and Coleman is really minimal, especially for trailing. I have used both. I stick with Coleman because it is available everywhere in the US, and so I can depend on it (though a friend swears that even the same brand is different from state to state). And I don't like the residue, it is hard to clean off my tools.Leaded gasolene can be found up here in the northern states, there are some older farm machines that are thought to run best on it. With many farmers repairing and not replacing, it is still needed. (It can be bought at farm equipment shops). Not that I would ever use it or recommend it for anything we do, but I wanted to let you know it is still in the US.Also, if you have a small airport near you you might be able to purchase the jet fuel (well, maybe not now after 9-11). It is worth a shot. I hadn't thought of it but we have an airport for crop dusters here and it serves as a landing site for emergencies for jets and military. I think I am going to check it out tomorrow.------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...http://www.pyromorph.com

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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kmactane


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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 97
Posted:I've gotten very good results from the lamp oil sold by Lamplight Farms -- specifically, the "Ultra-Pure". Now, I am not recommending it based on its safety -- I haven't been using it long enough to observe any kind of long-term health effects. I have accidentally swallowed very small amounts, and suffered nothing but minor stomach upset (say, no worse than you might get from a really big spicy burrito, just to put things in perspective).The reason I recommend this oil is because of its taste -- or more accurately, its nearly complete lack of taste. I was stunned the first time I took some into my mouth (for firebreathing) -- I was expecting some horrible, foul stuff, and instead, there was basically nothing but the oily texture.Also, I get better distance from it than from the one or two other types of lamp oil I've tried.On the Lamplight Farms Web site, select "Shop Online", then "Oil", "Indoor", and "Ultra-Pure" (not Medallion!).

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:I use LampLight Farms as well, KM, but the regular clear lamp oil. In fact, it is the only brand of lamp oil sold in our local Wally World. I used to breathe with Kero (which tastes rancid) so the taste of it is nothing, I agree. It still has that oily texture but it isn't bad. And if you swallow too much it has more than a burrito side effect...trust me. Once was enough for me to learn!------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...http://www.pyromorph.com

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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kmactane


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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 97
Posted:Curiously, I had occasion to try the Lamplight Farms non-Ultra-Pure a few nights ago... it turned out we had a bottle of that around as well as my usual, Unbeknownst to me and the rest of the troupe. My first clue was the sort of "minty" aftertaste. Yuck.Aside from the taste, it performed just like the usual, but it took me a while to completely clear my palate. (Luckily, there was a decent supply of booze on hand, which I could imbibe once the show was done.)I realize you can get much worse than a burrito-level effect from lamp oil ingestion; I just meant that it was the worst I'd had so far. I don't think I've swallowed more than a teaspoonful (tops!) in a night, and I've since learned to avoid even that much. (Accidents will no doubt happen, of course... but my intake has been pretty low for the past month or so, at least.)You used to breathe with kero? Ick! I think I'd rather try it with white gas. (Maybe.)<ponders...>Okay, I don't like either concept much.
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HappySticker


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Location: Lubbock,TX

Total posts: 42
Posted:on this subject i just started with fire about 2 weeks ago and i went to wal-mart and loaded up on the camping fuel(white gas i guess) and i am very disappointed in the burn time, as i have not tried other fuels yet it may just be i am used to swinging away with my glowsticks for an hour but the 2-4 minute burn times are really turning me away from something that i was really looking forward to. i guess i may have to try alternative fuels...or maybe cathedral wicks, right now i have the large (4in?) tube core wicks....and it is quite a let down.

If you had a friend that was a tightrope walker, and you were walking down the street and he just fell over......that would be unacceptable.

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adamrice


adamrice

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Location: Austin TX USA

Total posts: 1015
Posted:Coleman gas gives shorter burns than lamp oil or kerosene. Tube-core wicks give shorter burns than cathedral wicks. To get the longest burns possible, you'll need towel wicks, which can go for about 12 minutes. Obviously not the same as glowsticks, but trust me--you wouldn't want to spin fire for an hour continuously.

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FireSpirit
SILVER Member since Mar 2001

FireSpirit

Classic 90's Fire Dancer... Poi, Staff, Doubles, and Breathing
Location: South Lake Tahoe

Total posts: 743
Posted:Hey guys, Love the topic!

I have noticed travling the west coast fire dancing, that alot of fire folks are using eather White Gass (colman) or Ultra-Pure fuels. And that they are very picky... Nothing but White gass or Lampoil. Me, I like them both, and try to fool with them by using a 2/3 ultra-pure-1/3 white gass. This lights up quick like white gass (good if its cold), but lasts long like lampoil. I mix it all up in a White gass container, and mark it "Fire Spirit's" . This way I know who is using it, when some newbee complains of how long the burn is. (hehehehe)
So now you all know what my Trickster side is... Don't tell ok

I like the mix b/c Pure White gass lights things, like cloths, on fire easily, but Lamp oil is hard to light. You can play with your mix to see what you like best, but always mark your container! Its hard to find, if you don't. smile


Another good thing to have is a SPRAY SPIN OFF BUCKET! This is just a Paint can with a chain off the paint can handle. After soking, you put the poi/staffs in the spinn off bucket, a few inches from the bottom. Holding the chain and poi (in one hand), you can spinn off and catch all of the fuel in the bucket. This keeps fuel off the ground, and also conserves oil for further spinning...

Happy Spinning

~Fire Spirit


FIRE IS ALIVE!
IT LIVES AND BREATHS!
IT CONSUMES, AND DISTROYS!
BUT WE CONTROL IT,
AND DANCE WITH FIRE!!

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ImmortalAngel
SILVER Member since Jan 2004

Scientist!
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

Total posts: 578
Posted:Ah, I had a topic like this not to many weeks/days ago.

I've done all my Fire Breathing with Lampoil, and it's never been a problem. The burn is nice, haven't had a major blow back (yet), and there isn't much taste. Only problem I had was when I first started with it, it was fairly warm, so I couldn't tell how much I had in my mouth before I did my blow. That's easy to get around though. I'm going to be doing a fair bit of breathing with Kero to check and record somethings, and compare them to lamp oil, then I'll try breathing with white gas a few times (gonna be very careful with this bit) and if I can afford it, maybe citronella (I've been challanged to try breathing with it, because of the smell, but we'll see :P).



Personal story (Long and somewhat pointless, but it's got a bit of info for wulff in it);

I was just at Walmart, Home Hardware and Canadian Tire. Alot of what they all carried was the same stuff, just different packaging, which made me think about all the things that they could of added along the way wink So I bought 4 litres of an outdoor Kero fuel for lamps and heaters, as well as a half litire of Ultra Pure, Premium Lamp Oil.

They both cost about the same price.

I still want to know what the 1-K Grade thing on the Kero means...

Anyways, I'm going to be doing a few experiments between the two, with about 3 breathers to help anyone out in the future. We've got tons of poi FAQs and stuff, but most of the Fire Breathing stuff revolves around safety (Types of fuels and Pele's accident, which does a good job of scaring away most wanna-be breathers lol). There's very limited resources as to fire breathing and the fuels involved. Most of the info I've gotten and shared has been through topics like this.

Anyways, I'll let you know how the experiment goes, and try to get as much details as possible.



EDIT: Quick question, does anyone else find that Outdoor Kero for heaters etc... smells almost the exact same as Colemans? Cause I just noticed this as my fuel drawer began to smell like Colemans...


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