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I think that the world with one roligion or without religion will be the perfect one.
I am jew and my girlfrend
isn´t so if my parents finds out they will f**ck 
me
what do you think about this??
and if you are jew please answer
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I think that the world with one roligion or without religion will be the perfect one.
I am jew and my girlfrend
isn´t so if my parents finds out they will f**ck mewhat do you think about this??
and if you are jew please answer
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Posted:
Well, I'm not jewish, but i'll answer anyways.
I hate religion as well; look at all the harm to the planet and the human race in the name of religion. While i will respect other cultures and beliefs, I do not expect anyone to follow my path; this path I have chosen is simply that- what I have chosen for me. It really pisses me off when other people push religion around and can't respect that people are different, and that we should pride ourselves in being unique.
I say to go where your heart leads you. Was it your choice to be jewish? then respect yourself by following the guidelines of your belief. If being jewish is nothing more to you than your heratige, (born into it) then respect your parents, but at the same time live your life for you. They made their decision; you make yours.
Well, I'm not jewish, but i'll answer anyways.
I hate religion as well; look at all the harm to the planet and the human race in the name of religion. While i will respect other cultures and beliefs, I do not expect anyone to follow my path; this path I have chosen is simply that- what I have chosen for me. It really pisses me off when other people push religion around and can't respect that people are different, and that we should pride ourselves in being unique.
I say to go where your heart leads you. Was it your choice to be jewish? then respect yourself by following the guidelines of your belief. If being jewish is nothing more to you than your heratige, (born into it) then respect your parents, but at the same time live your life for you. They made their decision; you make yours.
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Posted:
I normally don't respond to these threads, but I'm going to say something here.
I am Jewish. Now, 50 years ago, six million Jews and millions of others died because people stood up and started talking about how Jews shouldn't marry non-Jews. And then it escalated. At first, the Jews supported Hitler's plan to move the Jews into separate communities because the Jewish elders did not want Jews to intermarry with gentiles.
50 years later, some closed-minded, bigoted Jews still believe that Jews should not mix with gentiles. In spite of the fact that this exact sort of thinking got six million of us killed not even 50 years ago, some Jews actually have the chutzpah to forbid their children from intermarriage.
This has nothing to do with religion. It's bigotry, plain and simple. And I, as a Jew, will call out any Jew who pulls this bullstool. This is not part of my religion and I will not stand by and, through my silence, allow it to seem as if this is acceptable behavior for Jews.
I normally don't respond to these threads, but I'm going to say something here.
I am Jewish. Now, 50 years ago, six million Jews and millions of others died because people stood up and started talking about how Jews shouldn't marry non-Jews. And then it escalated. At first, the Jews supported Hitler's plan to move the Jews into separate communities because the Jewish elders did not want Jews to intermarry with gentiles.
50 years later, some closed-minded, bigoted Jews still believe that Jews should not mix with gentiles. In spite of the fact that this exact sort of thinking got six million of us killed not even 50 years ago, some Jews actually have the chutzpah to forbid their children from intermarriage.
This has nothing to do with religion. It's bigotry, plain and simple. And I, as a Jew, will call out any Jew who pulls this bullstool. This is not part of my religion and I will not stand by and, through my silence, allow it to seem as if this is acceptable behavior for Jews.
-Mike
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Posted:
when i first saw the pictures and footage of the holocaust i cried i cried like the little girl i am
religion doesnt really matter to me partially because i dont believe in one person creating everything in our planet (what happened to the reliable qods and qoddessess they worked in harmony a while back and i think they still are)
religion is the same barrier like most things that can come between a relationship--such as age,race, what tv shows you both like and if your allergic to their pet cat. they all need to worked around in the search of true love
when i first saw the pictures and footage of the holocaust i cried i cried like the little girl i am
religion doesnt really matter to me partially because i dont believe in one person creating everything in our planet (what happened to the reliable qods and qoddessess they worked in harmony a while back and i think they still are)
religion is the same barrier like most things that can come between a relationship--such as age,race, what tv shows you both like and if your allergic to their pet cat. they all need to worked around in the search of true love
we cant stop here its bat country!!!!!!!!!!!
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i completely agree with peaches. right down to the part about the pet cat. however if a guy was the kind of guy who liked chiouhas (or however you spell 'rat-dog') i dont think we could ever see each other again....
seriously tho i think it has to be something that you as a couple have to understand and work around. you parents may be stubborn but they love you and will want to see you happy, even if that means being with a non-jew
i completely agree with peaches. right down to the part about the pet cat. however if a guy was the kind of guy who liked chiouhas (or however you spell 'rat-dog') i dont think we could ever see each other again....
seriously tho i think it has to be something that you as a couple have to understand and work around. you parents may be stubborn but they love you and will want to see you happy, even if that means being with a non-jew
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
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some one who agrees with me for once on something
IM SO HAPPY ILL JUST JUMP AROUND AND DO MY HAPPY DANCE
kisses and huggles to you rougey
some one who agrees with me for once on something
IM SO HAPPY ILL JUST JUMP AROUND AND DO MY HAPPY DANCE
kisses and huggles to you rougey
we cant stop here its bat country!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted:
I agree with you too Peaches!
addressing the original question, I'm not Jewish, but most people think I am. I had many jewish friends growing up, and a few girlfriends that were jewish (I find jewish women to be very attractive). Sometimes it was ok because their parents were either liberal enough or I looked close enough to being a jew that they choose to ignore I wasn't. Once I had to pretend I was a non-practicing jew, but I really hated that, and I thought it would have been better to be strait with them.
I have also dated women in situations like yours of other staunch religious backgrounds - muslim, hindu, mormon, whose families that didn't like them dating an american-euro mutt that wasn't part of their culture. It isn't an easy thing. The muslim instance in particular, since they were convinced I was actually jewish and not telling them. Hindu families (I have a bit of a thing for indian women too I must admit) are actually much more accepting of me now that I am a "doctor" though. I suspect the same would be true with jewish families.
I think only the only relationship that ended strictly because of cultural/religious differences with the family was the girlfriend from the muslim family (they were syrian, and moved to the states when she was 4). Thing is though, I don't see her ever really being happy with a muslim guy. She is essentially american, not syrian, and not particularly religious. It is a shame that her parents can't take into account her happiness, but their standing in the muslim community seems to be more important to them. What can you do about that? when people are so self centered as to not be interested in making concessions for their child's hapiness, there aren't a lot of things you can do about it.
Now, I'm not trying to rag on your parents Polifeco. I'm just trying to give you an angle to address this problem with them. It is my experience that jewish parents are often unreasonable about certain things, but will eventually accept things like this instead of alienating their child. They may prefer you date jewish women - fine. but it isn't there life, and they should be able to accept what makes you happy in the end.
I suppose that isn't terribly helpful, but it is all I really have to offer. Best of luck!
I agree with you too Peaches!
addressing the original question, I'm not Jewish, but most people think I am. I had many jewish friends growing up, and a few girlfriends that were jewish (I find jewish women to be very attractive). Sometimes it was ok because their parents were either liberal enough or I looked close enough to being a jew that they choose to ignore I wasn't. Once I had to pretend I was a non-practicing jew, but I really hated that, and I thought it would have been better to be strait with them.
I have also dated women in situations like yours of other staunch religious backgrounds - muslim, hindu, mormon, whose families that didn't like them dating an american-euro mutt that wasn't part of their culture. It isn't an easy thing. The muslim instance in particular, since they were convinced I was actually jewish and not telling them. Hindu families (I have a bit of a thing for indian women too I must admit) are actually much more accepting of me now that I am a "doctor" though. I suspect the same would be true with jewish families.
I think only the only relationship that ended strictly because of cultural/religious differences with the family was the girlfriend from the muslim family (they were syrian, and moved to the states when she was 4). Thing is though, I don't see her ever really being happy with a muslim guy. She is essentially american, not syrian, and not particularly religious. It is a shame that her parents can't take into account her happiness, but their standing in the muslim community seems to be more important to them. What can you do about that? when people are so self centered as to not be interested in making concessions for their child's hapiness, there aren't a lot of things you can do about it.
Now, I'm not trying to rag on your parents Polifeco. I'm just trying to give you an angle to address this problem with them. It is my experience that jewish parents are often unreasonable about certain things, but will eventually accept things like this instead of alienating their child. They may prefer you date jewish women - fine. but it isn't there life, and they should be able to accept what makes you happy in the end.
I suppose that isn't terribly helpful, but it is all I really have to offer. Best of luck!
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Posted:
Your girlfriend can pass giur and become a jew too!!!!
Your girlfriend can pass giur and become a jew too!!!!
when it gets colder that -25, you don't really care
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Posted:
parents. they f**k you up.
You have to live your own life, but unfortunately many cultures are very closed, and they also are heavily attached to a religion. It seems that you end up either sacrificing your close cultural ties, or yourself. Can't be nice.
parents. they f**k you up.
You have to live your own life, but unfortunately many cultures are very closed, and they also are heavily attached to a religion. It seems that you end up either sacrificing your close cultural ties, or yourself. Can't be nice.
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I think the latter was most relevant to me. One religion would only cause more grief.
I believe religion was only created by the natural fear of death....to create a belief that we could carry on afterwards in some other world/heaven/this planet etc etc yadda yadda yadda. And then couple it with a Hell type experience so you can control others actions....but you know what.....we had no idea we were here before we were born and we'll have no idea about it after we've gone.
Now it's not like I don't beleive in spritualism (and associateed members) I think there's lots out there on a plane very different to ours that very few people are lucky enough to have the ability to tap into but I don't think it has anything to do with a mass-single conciousness nor a god. But I always try to respect other and their beleifs, so long as they don't push theirs into my life or even worse say that I'm wrong or.....don't you understand? That really gets my goat up!
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I think that the world with one religion or without religion will be the perfect one.
I think the latter was most relevant to me. One religion would only cause more grief.
I believe religion was only created by the natural fear of death....to create a belief that we could carry on afterwards in some other world/heaven/this planet etc etc yadda yadda yadda. And then couple it with a Hell type experience so you can control others actions....but you know what.....we had no idea we were here before we were born and we'll have no idea about it after we've gone.
Now it's not like I don't beleive in spritualism (and associateed members) I think there's lots out there on a plane very different to ours that very few people are lucky enough to have the ability to tap into but I don't think it has anything to do with a mass-single conciousness nor a god. But I always try to respect other and their beleifs, so long as they don't push theirs into my life or even worse say that I'm wrong or.....don't you understand? That really gets my goat up!
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There can never be one religion. See, religion doesn't cause å$$ho!es, å$$ho!es cause religion. What I mean to say is that even if we made the entire world a form of peaceful Unitarianism or Bhuddism, there would still be twits out there who would twist its teachings into an excuse for violence. Sects would form and fighting would ensue.
Religion is not the cause of problems. It's just a manifestation of the fact that humans are violent people.
There can never be one religion. See, religion doesn't cause å$$ho!es, å$$ho!es cause religion. What I mean to say is that even if we made the entire world a form of peaceful Unitarianism or Bhuddism, there would still be twits out there who would twist its teachings into an excuse for violence. Sects would form and fighting would ensue.
Religion is not the cause of problems. It's just a manifestation of the fact that humans are violent people.
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Posted:
Lightning hit the nail on the head.
I'm a very spiritual person, and exercise that spirituality in my own way and time.
Living in the Southern United States, people will assume I'm Christian. I've asked what church I belong to more times since I moved to texas than I've ever been asked,.....at least it seems that way.
People get a look of horror on their faces, and the more evangelical ones will try to "save" me and "convert" me. I don't want to be converted and saved, thank you.
I'm perfectly comfortable in my hedonism.
Chocolate covered strawberry anyone?
Lightning hit the nail on the head.
I'm a very spiritual person, and exercise that spirituality in my own way and time.
Living in the Southern United States, people will assume I'm Christian. I've asked what church I belong to more times since I moved to texas than I've ever been asked,.....at least it seems that way.
People get a look of horror on their faces, and the more evangelical ones will try to "save" me and "convert" me. I don't want to be converted and saved, thank you.
I'm perfectly comfortable in my hedonism.
Chocolate covered strawberry anyone?
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ooh yes please, with some double mega chocco fatto cake with lots of triple cream and sugar please....mmmmmmm.....hedonism......mmmmmmm........
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Chocolate covered strawberry anyone?
ooh yes please, with some double mega chocco fatto cake with lots of triple cream and sugar please....mmmmmmm.....hedonism......mmmmmmm........
Let's relight this forum
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Wow, I think for all of that, you'll have to stop in at my chateaux, bug. I just brought the strawberries with me when I wandered out of my thread. Has anyone seen it lately, anyway??
Wow, I think for all of that, you'll have to stop in at my chateaux, bug. I just brought the strawberries with me when I wandered out of my thread. Has anyone seen it lately, anyway??
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thanx to all
you cleared my mind
thanx to all
you cleared my mind
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Ok...(takes a deep breath)...At least Lightning started to get onto the right track...although not particularly right.
STOP BLAMING RELIGON!!!!!
Religon doesn't exist on it's own, just like Labour Governments, PTA groups and even (God forbid) Spinning Groups!
I know some very religious people who are the nicest most wonderful people in the world.
I know some very religious people who are the most viscious horrible nasty people I've ever met.
The common denominator here is religon, but it's not the cause of nastiness. PEOPLE are the cause of nastiness.
If you got rid of every religon in the world, POOF! all gone, but the people remained, do you really think all those horrible people would love thy neighbour and go around hugging everyone?
Religon cops a lot of flack, and always has, because it is not a seperate entity and cannot defend itself.
Just because people twist religon and use it for their own ens, doesn;t mean they haven't done the same with communism, democracy and free trade agreements.
The thing here is that the person doing the twisting will twist ANYTHING, and it is the twisting itself that is the thing I would like to see absent from the world, not just one fo the areas that gets a lot of press when twisted.
Don't blame your religon for saying you can't marry who you want, blame the person telling you you can'y marry who you want, they are the only possible people who can have blame attributed to them...
Ok...(takes a deep breath)...At least Lightning started to get onto the right track...although not particularly right.
STOP BLAMING RELIGON!!!!!
Religon doesn't exist on it's own, just like Labour Governments, PTA groups and even (God forbid) Spinning Groups!
I know some very religious people who are the nicest most wonderful people in the world.
I know some very religious people who are the most viscious horrible nasty people I've ever met.
The common denominator here is religon, but it's not the cause of nastiness. PEOPLE are the cause of nastiness.
If you got rid of every religon in the world, POOF! all gone, but the people remained, do you really think all those horrible people would love thy neighbour and go around hugging everyone?
Religon cops a lot of flack, and always has, because it is not a seperate entity and cannot defend itself.
Just because people twist religon and use it for their own ens, doesn;t mean they haven't done the same with communism, democracy and free trade agreements.
The thing here is that the person doing the twisting will twist ANYTHING, and it is the twisting itself that is the thing I would like to see absent from the world, not just one fo the areas that gets a lot of press when twisted.
Don't blame your religon for saying you can't marry who you want, blame the person telling you you can'y marry who you want, they are the only possible people who can have blame attributed to them...
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*insert worship smiley*
: o)
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* insert Charles' post *
*insert worship smiley*: o)
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Posted:
I disagree with the fact that religion is the bane of all evil (that's not exactly what was said do not quote me!)
because without religion who's to tell we wouldn't carry out all this evilness anyway? And haven't in the past all the cities and villages who have gotten to the state of enlightenment (mainly mythical cities like Atlantis) been destroyed either by mother nature or by all the urges hidden deep within us to do something wrong?
I truely believe that humans were created imperfect. No matter how hard we strive to find anything pure, clean, simple and good we may find it but we won't be able to hold onto it. Though I am totally willing to give it my best shot and the stories I hear about the enlightened people amaze me... that's just the way I feel for now.
As regards to any religion... I have respect for anyone who believes... I do to but in a way that few people I have met share
I guess what I'm trying to say is... the world will never be unf**ked up... it's just the way it is... ??? But your own world within the big wide world can be whatever you want it to be... almost.
I understand this may not be understandable but I hope that a handful can understand...
I disagree with the fact that religion is the bane of all evil (that's not exactly what was said do not quote me!)
because without religion who's to tell we wouldn't carry out all this evilness anyway? And haven't in the past all the cities and villages who have gotten to the state of enlightenment (mainly mythical cities like Atlantis) been destroyed either by mother nature or by all the urges hidden deep within us to do something wrong?
I truely believe that humans were created imperfect. No matter how hard we strive to find anything pure, clean, simple and good we may find it but we won't be able to hold onto it. Though I am totally willing to give it my best shot and the stories I hear about the enlightened people amaze me... that's just the way I feel for now.
As regards to any religion... I have respect for anyone who believes... I do to but in a way that few people I have met share
I guess what I'm trying to say is... the world will never be unf**ked up... it's just the way it is... ??? But your own world within the big wide world can be whatever you want it to be... almost.
I understand this may not be understandable but I hope that a handful can understand...
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I just read the whole thread and realised Charles said what I mean
I just read the whole thread and realised Charles said what I mean
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I'm getting the sense that Charles, Gotta, and I are all saying the same thing about religion in general.
However, my point about the hypocracy of bigoted Jews stands.
I'm getting the sense that Charles, Gotta, and I are all saying the same thing about religion in general.
However, my point about the hypocracy of bigoted Jews stands.
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And I still blame the parents, and as they're humans therefore I agree with you guys.
And I still blame the parents, and as they're humans therefore I agree with you guys.
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And it shall stand tall...
Being looked at differently because you have the intention to marry someone from a different religion must be horrible
Not every child has the same beliefs as their parents and I hope things sort themselves out for you
And it shall stand tall...
Being looked at differently because you have the intention to marry someone from a different religion must be horrible
Not every child has the same beliefs as their parents and I hope things sort themselves out for you
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ok. I just read this whole thread and i agree some what that religoin does have a huge impacted on how you live your life. I believe you should be able to date anyone you please without getting hassled by the parents. In my world religoin is not number one. i don't understand why people go to church every sunday and youth group to get brain washed. Meaning that their is only one god. Which by the way is not true. For example Wicca, their are many gods and godesses. Why would you want to be taught something (in my opinon) that is not true!
ok. I just read this whole thread and i agree some what that religoin does have a huge impacted on how you live your life. I believe you should be able to date anyone you please without getting hassled by the parents. In my world religoin is not number one. i don't understand why people go to church every sunday and youth group to get brain washed. Meaning that their is only one god. Which by the way is not true. For example Wicca, their are many gods and godesses. Why would you want to be taught something (in my opinon) that is not true!
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(Note: Laziness overcomes me and I haven't read this whole thread)
Just because you got to church and learn about religion doesn't mean you're being brainwashed. True faith can't be taught, you yourself have to believe and make your own decisions on what is real.
I'd probably copy and paste Charles post here too
. It's not religion that made the world the way it is today, it's just pure, human nature.
(Note: Laziness overcomes me and I haven't read this whole thread)
Just because you got to church and learn about religion doesn't mean you're being brainwashed. True faith can't be taught, you yourself have to believe and make your own decisions on what is real.
I'd probably copy and paste Charles post here too
. It's not religion that made the world the way it is today, it's just pure, human nature. Diamond In The Rough
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Another thing to keep in mind is that you can only judge a particular system by it's results. Christianity, for example, is an excellent guide for living ones' life and has the basis for producing wonderful, loving people--until you add people. People in general are selfish, greedy, destructive beings who will use a myriad of justifiers for being rotten to their fellow man. (We have many excuses, but religion seems to be the most popular historically.) So what happens? People will spin doctor their way into murder, theft, prejudice & persecution, war, and generally making life difficult for others. But ya can't blame religions. If there was no religion, people would just find a different, convenient excuse to be rotten to one another. Religion doesn't suck...we do.
Another thing to keep in mind is that you can only judge a particular system by it's results. Christianity, for example, is an excellent guide for living ones' life and has the basis for producing wonderful, loving people--until you add people. People in general are selfish, greedy, destructive beings who will use a myriad of justifiers for being rotten to their fellow man. (We have many excuses, but religion seems to be the most popular historically.) So what happens? People will spin doctor their way into murder, theft, prejudice & persecution, war, and generally making life difficult for others. But ya can't blame religions. If there was no religion, people would just find a different, convenient excuse to be rotten to one another. Religion doesn't suck...we do.
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top post Charles
But i still have a problem with 'religion' anyway.
because all religions i know of are based in part on a rejection of the idea that we gain knowledge of the world from the world
And instead that certain things should be accepted as 'true' without evidence.
It's this mixing of ethics with the search for knowledge that i find totally unacceptable.
They promote ignorance and a lack of logic as being morally good.
Which i think is extremely damaging in countless ways all around the world, all the time.
top post Charles
But i still have a problem with 'religion' anyway.
because all religions i know of are based in part on a rejection of the idea that we gain knowledge of the world from the world
And instead that certain things should be accepted as 'true' without evidence.
It's this mixing of ethics with the search for knowledge that i find totally unacceptable.
They promote ignorance and a lack of logic as being morally good.
Which i think is extremely damaging in countless ways all around the world, all the time.
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true...but not completely.
i decided to stick with religion because of some pretty amazing experiences which to me are proof. I don't believe in god, so i guess i'm more spiritual than religious - but i'm a member of the religios society of friends (quakers), so that's religious i guess.
what i'm trying to say, is that while, yes, religions DO expect you to believe certain things without prof, lots and lots of people (weather rightly or wrongly) believe they do have actual proof so they're not just blindly following someone telling them what to do.
On the other hand, lots of people are just blindly following someone telling them what to do.
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because all religions i know of are based in part on a rejection of the idea that we gain knowledge of the world from the world
And instead that certain things should be accepted as 'true' without evidence
true...but not completely.
i decided to stick with religion because of some pretty amazing experiences which to me are proof. I don't believe in god, so i guess i'm more spiritual than religious - but i'm a member of the religios society of friends (quakers), so that's religious i guess.
what i'm trying to say, is that while, yes, religions DO expect you to believe certain things without prof, lots and lots of people (weather rightly or wrongly) believe they do have actual proof so they're not just blindly following someone telling them what to do.
On the other hand, lots of people are just blindly following someone telling them what to do.
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Posted:
Wow- very relevent, seeing as how I just watched Fiddler on the Roof yesterday- same sort of problem.
I think that theoretically religion can be a good thing. If people want to do good in the world, and happen to use Christianity as their reason, more power to them. But it is inexcusable to do evil things or to have hatred for others in the name of god or whatever religion they belong to.
Wow- very relevent, seeing as how I just watched Fiddler on the Roof yesterday- same sort of problem.
I think that theoretically religion can be a good thing. If people want to do good in the world, and happen to use Christianity as their reason, more power to them. But it is inexcusable to do evil things or to have hatred for others in the name of god or whatever religion they belong to.
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No, religion does not inherently promote ignorance and lack of logic. I know Christianity doesn't. Now granted, there are and have been people who have twisted certain faiths into that, but that's not the fault of the faith, it's the fault of the people, as Charles pointed out. You cannot blame a god or a belief structure for the behavior of mankind.
I'm so tired of hearing ignorant blatant bulls**t about religion causing suffering in the world and how we would be better off without it. A ridiculous number of people have found happiness and joy in the fellowship and spirituality of various faiths. Ive experienced it myself and seen it work in others lives, as well as seeing people who cast off spirituality 100% be totally miserable and unhappy with their lives.
There are bad people in this world. I would say a quite large percentage of the world is evil or at least misguided/troubled/confused. You can't blame religion just because someone claims to be from a certain faith and twists part of it's ideology into justification for doing something horrible. Jesus/Christianity hasn't blown up any abortion clinics, only psychopaths witha twisted view of life and Christianity and Jesus's teachings do that. The crusades weren't waged by Christianity as an ideology, it was waged by certain people in positions of power. The Spanish Inquisition and the other examples of mass conversion using fear and violence have nothing to do with the faith's inherent qualities.
It just sucks that so many people have such a twisted negative view of religion.
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Originally posted by simian
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But i still have a problem with 'religion' anyway.
because all religions i know of are based in part on a rejection of the idea that we gain knowledge of the world from the world
And instead that certain things should be accepted as 'true' without evidence.
It's this mixing of ethics with the search for knowledge that i find totally unacceptable.
They promote ignorance and a lack of logic as being morally good.
Which i think is extremely damaging in countless ways all around the world, all the time.
No, religion does not inherently promote ignorance and lack of logic. I know Christianity doesn't. Now granted, there are and have been people who have twisted certain faiths into that, but that's not the fault of the faith, it's the fault of the people, as Charles pointed out. You cannot blame a god or a belief structure for the behavior of mankind.
I'm so tired of hearing ignorant blatant bulls**t about religion causing suffering in the world and how we would be better off without it. A ridiculous number of people have found happiness and joy in the fellowship and spirituality of various faiths. Ive experienced it myself and seen it work in others lives, as well as seeing people who cast off spirituality 100% be totally miserable and unhappy with their lives.
There are bad people in this world. I would say a quite large percentage of the world is evil or at least misguided/troubled/confused. You can't blame religion just because someone claims to be from a certain faith and twists part of it's ideology into justification for doing something horrible. Jesus/Christianity hasn't blown up any abortion clinics, only psychopaths witha twisted view of life and Christianity and Jesus's teachings do that. The crusades weren't waged by Christianity as an ideology, it was waged by certain people in positions of power. The Spanish Inquisition and the other examples of mass conversion using fear and violence have nothing to do with the faith's inherent qualities.
It just sucks that so many people have such a twisted negative view of religion.
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Posted:
how does christian creationism agree with neo-darwinism then?
i have seen no logical argument for creationism.
ever.
i think christianity does promote a certain degree of ignorance in the context that it starts with a premise that can never be questioned i.e. there is a almighty, all-powerful creator called 'god'.
using the example above, this has the result that you cannot get into a logical argument over the origin of species with devout christians since their argument is based on blind faith, not logic.
the fact that religion requires unquestioning faith breeds intolerance.
most religions contend that theirs is the one true faith and this means that you immediately have a situation where (like it or not) the followers consider anyone not of the same faith to be unenlightened non-believers (or 'heathens').
aloofness rules the roost here and for the most dedicated followers this inevitably results in extreme actions based on the fact that non-believers (or worse believers of another faith) are wrong.
a belief set that promotes discussion on *all* tenets does not lead to a justification of actions like the ones carried out by fundamental believers of the major religions.
you cannot have a fundamentalist who questions the teachings of his faith.
and finally, i don't believe you can argue that the human race would be violent if religions did not exist.
without religion our species would have developed in ways we can never imagine.
there is no way to speculate on the nature of humans without these belief systems as they are ingrained so far into our history that they are often the only things we know about ancient cultures.
the human race without religion would not be the species we know today.
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No, religion does not inherently promote ignorance and lack of logic. I know Christianity doesn't.
how does christian creationism agree with neo-darwinism then?
i have seen no logical argument for creationism.
ever.
i think christianity does promote a certain degree of ignorance in the context that it starts with a premise that can never be questioned i.e. there is a almighty, all-powerful creator called 'god'.
using the example above, this has the result that you cannot get into a logical argument over the origin of species with devout christians since their argument is based on blind faith, not logic.
the fact that religion requires unquestioning faith breeds intolerance.
most religions contend that theirs is the one true faith and this means that you immediately have a situation where (like it or not) the followers consider anyone not of the same faith to be unenlightened non-believers (or 'heathens').
aloofness rules the roost here and for the most dedicated followers this inevitably results in extreme actions based on the fact that non-believers (or worse believers of another faith) are wrong.
a belief set that promotes discussion on *all* tenets does not lead to a justification of actions like the ones carried out by fundamental believers of the major religions.
you cannot have a fundamentalist who questions the teachings of his faith.
and finally, i don't believe you can argue that the human race would be violent if religions did not exist.
without religion our species would have developed in ways we can never imagine.
there is no way to speculate on the nature of humans without these belief systems as they are ingrained so far into our history that they are often the only things we know about ancient cultures.
the human race without religion would not be the species we know today.
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Posted:
So seeing as a lot of this seems to be turning towards christianity I have a question based on whether its religion or people who actually suck.....
Christian "God" is the creator...he allegedly made everything...Adam....Eve....The Apples....the 1st Angel.....emotions....etc etc etc.....so if it's the people who suck, well, they were created by God, God is the creator of the religion....thus is it religion..thus God...who actually sucks?!
How can man be blamed if we are all subject to gods will upon creation and HE and only HE has given us the ability to have will for destruction and suffering without empathy?!
So seeing as a lot of this seems to be turning towards christianity I have a question based on whether its religion or people who actually suck.....
Christian "God" is the creator...he allegedly made everything...Adam....Eve....The Apples....the 1st Angel.....emotions....etc etc etc.....so if it's the people who suck, well, they were created by God, God is the creator of the religion....thus is it religion..thus God...who actually sucks?!
How can man be blamed if we are all subject to gods will upon creation and HE and only HE has given us the ability to have will for destruction and suffering without empathy?!
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