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Posted: 17th Sep 2010
Ouch. Shoulder injuries're becoming so common they might need their own thread.

I'm mostly looking for good weather or big enough room to make video.

Posted: 17th Sep 2010
Yeah the classic shoulder injury... I think everybody has them at some point or another I busted mine up pretty good about a year ago. In sweden we have something called "voltaren" Use alot of that and take it down a notch.

Looking forward to seeing more footage! Keep em coming and tell all of your staff juggling friends to shoot more awesome footage!

/Johnny

Posted: 19th Sep 2010
pre staff juggling injury. missed the jumping bit of jumping off a sanddune and landed on my face and shoulder, 3 years still recurring now, so looks like i've got it for the long haul.
had a few good club juggles the last few days after taking 2 weeks off, easing back in

Posted: 20th Sep 2010
JohnnyFettucini hi! how many time we have to send you our video? we are prepare some interesting tricks and combo spessial for you, i read in this post that the last date is 30 september? is it true??? please answer)) thanks

Posted: 20th Sep 2010
@Artnonstop!

Hey! Yes the closing date is 30 september! Maybe it will be moved to oktober 31 if necessary

Looking forward to seeing your video!!

Posted: 30th Sep 2010
Hey,

did you decide to move the deadline? I've been hoping to get something new filmed for you, but between work, a new puppy and being sick... Haven't had the time to do it.

So, if you move the deadline I'll send you something

- Leo -

ps. first post here, so here's an introductory video:

Posted: 30th Sep 2010
JohnnyFettucini i hope that you say`s seriosly about move the deadline, because we need enough more time, please move the deadline to 31 october it will be the perfect becuase we need some more time to do the video/ thanks

Posted: 30th Sep 2010
To everyone interested in StaffOnly2!
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Yes the deadline has been moved to october 31!

To all who wish to participate please confirm this by mail so I can keep track of everybody ( sineprots@hotmail.com )

Thank you and lots of love!

Posted: 30th Sep 2010
Welcome Leo, nice to see you here

It's good you moved the deadline

Posted: 8th Oct 2010
Hi all.
I am from Ukraine, Kharkov.
I have meet Konstatin ang enjoyed 5 staff juggling with Leo at KFF this year.
I started juggling from KFF`09 where I have met Sebastian Berger and he showed what is really cool )) now I am practising 3 staff at most ang slowly 4.
I will try to do video before deadline too...

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
Hey Zyx

Nice to hear from you

its great to hear there are some new staff jugglers coming onto the scene, its very important that we keep this thread going beacuse they are so few of us juggling staffs in the juggling world and this thread is a great place to keep each other inspired

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
Hey Zyx
Hope to meet next year in Kiev too

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
Glad to hear you, Tim.

Some cuts from my training this autumn.



And I think siteswap 12345 is one of the best pattern to line up most of beginner patterns. But it is absent on the video. I developed it later.

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
i have no idea what 12345 is and im not a fan of siteswaps with staffs but its our differences thats makes us interesting after all

nice work on the training video.....but it seems you are missing one of the most important beginner patterns of them all, the "french cascade" is a standard three staff cascade but with a figure of eight after each catch, it looks great when its clean and really keeps the spirit of the staff spinning in the juggling if that makes sense?

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
Thanks Tim. I know it.

Looks like it will be good idea to make video with staffs about siteswap. How do you think?

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
Yes I think there would be lots people interested, it might just help get some more club jugglers interested in proper juggling

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
for me, any thing which we do with staff, when it is catched in 3 staff cascade, it is just '2' in siteswap.
and seteswap of that cascade will be '52'
there are tooooooooo much thing we can do in '2' (in siteswap 'two' - just catching some time or do similar short things). we need just to have enough speed to do it.

Posted: 9th Oct 2010
Okay, guys... I hope I will have time to do it soon...
Also siteswaps are usable for 2 staffs too.

Posted: 11th Oct 2010
@Zyx_ua Why do you think everything we do with 3 staff is only a 2?

Because i am doing always throwable patterns.
If you would really throw only a 2 in a cascade - you would just fail.

You know that the rhytm and the height of the throw can be choose by everyone depending on his size of a cascade?

And the siteswap 2 is for me some time for spinning like 1-Beat and so on. Don't know that we have got another site-swap notation then ball or club juggler.

Posted: 13th Oct 2010
this is one on my issues with site-swaps,

there is always lots of confusion and debate as to what each notations means, this seems counter intuitive as site-swaps were created to explain and share tricks not to confuse or divide opinions,

another reason i dont like site-swaps is they seem to create sporadic patterns where one or more prop is high in the air whilst the juggler frantically tries to do something quickly with a 1 or a 2 underneath, and especially with staffs where the height of 3&4 is so high the crowd often misses the lower part

whilst i think variety of both opinion and tricks are very valuable i also think people should focus a bit less on site-swaps, and more on a broader approach to staff juggling

backcrosses anyone?

Posted: 13th Oct 2010
well, 3 isn't that high if it's a normal cascade throw

it's actually interesting for me to define staff throws by site-swaps, it sometimes helps to understand pattern better and remove empty time, for example if you made 5 height while cycling 3's it gives plenty time to so smth else with other staffs.
and you don't need to throw 5 in a pattern that can be done with 4

I think it's important to fix height/number of spins to a number then you can really use site-swaps

I do practice backcrosses but they're far from perfect still

Posted: 13th Oct 2010
@ chemairo
I meaned:
Just cascade - we do throw from one hand to another, it is 3 moves per temp.
French cascade - we do throw and figure of eight, and it is 6 moves per temp.
so it is 32 (or 52? how will be more correctly?)
where '2' is some short move with staff in our case it is figure of 8.
'And the siteswap 2 is for me some time for spinning like 1-Beat and so on.' - yeah, thats right.

Sorry, looks like my describtion were too tangled...
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Posted: 13th Oct 2010
hehe holding the object or not throwing an object for a beat in siteswap is 0 isnt it? surely a 2 is a non-crossing throw straight up, a 1 is a slammed cross...

I reckon if you start re-defining siteswap you will lose any jugglers you have reading your threads.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2010
Siteswap confuses me enough without additional staff notations

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

Posted: 14th Oct 2010
@ Pyrolific a 0 is a empty hand. a 2 is holding an object, but a 2x for example is a throw to the other hand. a 1 is a direct fast pass, but a 1x is a small throw.

Maybe you can look here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siteswap

Posted: 14th Oct 2010
I'm pretty sure a throw to the same hand is a 4 (2 in 1 hand for juggling 4 balls)

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

Posted: 14th Oct 2010
Yup, 3 = crossing throw, 4 = throw to same hand, 2 = hold object and 0 = empty hand

Generally you won't use the 'x' stuff until you're doing synch patterns (throwing with both hands at the same time)

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Posted: 14th Oct 2010
yeah cool thanks for the clarification - I think all even numbers are throws to the same hand, the height varies tho eg 4 is lower than 6 etc..

I dont see why clubs siteswap is any different to staff siteswap - just use clubs notation...

J

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Posted: 15th Oct 2010
club siteswaps are for me the same like staff siteswaps. But you can look at Diabolo siteswap and this is a bit different because there every throw change the side and a 1 is a sun.

Posted: 15th Oct 2010
Yeah the stuff I posted is 2 hand siteswap so the same for clubs and staffs. Diabolo uses 1 hand siteswap (one string strictly speaking).

Theres also 4 hand siteswap used for passing but I won't confuzzle you with that!

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