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so today he announced his departure date..............what will be his so highly prized legacy???
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is he down with the "yoots", the common man's man??
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or...an evil despot???
so today he announced his departure date..............what will be his so highly prized legacy???
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is he down with the "yoots", the common man's man??
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or...an evil despot???
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apparently, according to the dominion postin new zealand he will be remembered as the man that brought peace in northern ireland.
personally i think he will be remembered as the prime minister that did more to destroy things like the NHS and peoples civil liberties
there is also the small queston of lying to parliment and embroiling the country in an illegal war in the middle east over oil.
IMO on June 28th he should be on trial in the hague.....but thats just my opinion.
apparently, according to the dominion postin new zealand he will be remembered as the man that brought peace in northern ireland.
personally i think he will be remembered as the prime minister that did more to destroy things like the NHS and peoples civil liberties
there is also the small queston of lying to parliment and embroiling the country in an illegal war in the middle east over oil.
IMO on June 28th he should be on trial in the hague.....but thats just my opinion.
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so your going with the evil despot option then?
so your going with the evil despot option then?
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hmm.....well to be fair...
i'd just call him self centred, cowardly and stupid as opposed to actual evil. lets face it he's (and his party) have been caught with fingers in so many crooked pies its not funny. the only prime minister to ever be interviewed in respect to criminal proceedings? nuff said. I mean all politicians seem to be crooked but if he wasnt stupid he wouldnt have got caught.
now i'm not sure if i rememerb correctly but i think he got off to an OK start but he's been in power four years to long and now look at what he's leavng behind.
(the same for his self absorbed missus who has used and abused her status for a whole raft of things (allegedly))
also, i've heard he smells worse than me feet (maybe (yer honor))
(i'm really surprised that this thread has only had me post on it. I mean that has done only slightly less for world peace than dubya. i was hoping for some more input from other people, preferably from abroad...ho hum...)
what do you reckon??
hmm.....well to be fair...
i'd just call him self centred, cowardly and stupid as opposed to actual evil. lets face it he's (and his party) have been caught with fingers in so many crooked pies its not funny. the only prime minister to ever be interviewed in respect to criminal proceedings? nuff said. I mean all politicians seem to be crooked but if he wasnt stupid he wouldnt have got caught.
now i'm not sure if i rememerb correctly but i think he got off to an OK start but he's been in power four years to long and now look at what he's leavng behind.
(the same for his self absorbed missus who has used and abused her status for a whole raft of things (allegedly))
also, i've heard he smells worse than me feet (maybe (yer honor))
(i'm really surprised that this thread has only had me post on it. I mean that has done only slightly less for world peace than dubya. i was hoping for some more input from other people, preferably from abroad...ho hum...)
what do you reckon??
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Whatever he was, he wasn't as bad as George Dubya Bush.
Not even a quarter as bad.
Whatever he was, he wasn't as bad as George Dubya Bush.
Not even a quarter as bad.
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hmm...interesting. its true, he did OK in the early days. however im not sure about the economy as i can help thinking its all artificially inflated somehow. have a look int he comment sections of the guardian (yes i know lefty lefty broadsheet but in the comments section you get both sides of the story from the commenterswho seem to be fairly wellread)
also, he condoned and supported GWB, that makes him as bad. and he has done just as much to erode civil liberties and supply arms and stuff to ppl that didnt really need it. He has just got more of a personality and a better grasp of the english language than GWB so he can get out of situations.
a few more things that sprang to mind: trident (please tell me why?), outrageous house prices, decreased job security, public trans
hmm...interesting. its true, he did OK in the early days. however im not sure about the economy as i can help thinking its all artificially inflated somehow. have a look int he comment sections of the guardian (yes i know lefty lefty broadsheet but in the comments section you get both sides of the story from the commenterswho seem to be fairly wellread)
also, he condoned and supported GWB, that makes him as bad. and he has done just as much to erode civil liberties and supply arms and stuff to ppl that didnt really need it. He has just got more of a personality and a better grasp of the english language than GWB so he can get out of situations.
a few more things that sprang to mind: trident (please tell me why?), outrageous house prices, decreased job security, public trans
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w00t!
Jon, I assume you've sent it to everyone you know?
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Jon, I assume you've sent it to everyone you know?
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Not to completely derail the topic, but why such hatred? There is seemingly a lot of anti-americanism there, I'm just curious if you could elaborate a bit. Is that over Iraq? or Afghanistan? The "War on Terror" in general? Or just because it's Bush?
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also, he condoned and supported GWB, that makes him as bad.
Not to completely derail the topic, but why such hatred? There is seemingly a lot of anti-americanism there, I'm just curious if you could elaborate a bit. Is that over Iraq? or Afghanistan? The "War on Terror" in general? Or just because it's Bush?
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war on terror or war of terror???
war on terror or war of terror???
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I don't hate America (although sometimes I feel like I want to). I hate Bush's administration and its policies, its "divinity," its pride, its arrogance, and its sense of entitlement.
Bush is about as anti- and un-American as you can be.
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Not to completely derail the topic, but why such hatred? There is seemingly a lot of anti-americanism there, I'm just curious if you could elaborate a bit. Is that over Iraq? or Afghanistan? The "War on Terror" in general? Or just because it's Bush?
I don't hate America (although sometimes I feel like I want to). I hate Bush's administration and its policies, its "divinity," its pride, its arrogance, and its sense of entitlement.
Bush is about as anti- and un-American as you can be.
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to be honest, i really cannot be bothered and i dont want to. i'll sum it up by saying that its all of the above. going into afghanistan then iraq and then supporting the policies that were pursued in those countries were not wise decisions for this country or for him. look where it has got us (the UK nation/the world) and him (TB).
frankly, i dont wanna get embroiled in some "anti-american argument.this thread is about tony blair and his legacy to the world and the UK not "are you for america or against". i have mentioned him here because he made some decisions that related to some things that GWB and co have done that i think were bad and i said that this made him as bad. this is not anti-americanism. this is an observation based on personal opinion based on a reasonable amount of browsing of current affairs stuff.
see after a few of my rants i probably have a rep for being some left-wing, i hate all americans etc etc yaddayaddaydda type person whihc is not the case so thats all i will say.
on here, every thread that is about politics degenerates into this is "anti-americanism" and i would like to see this thread as a means to try and get people to assess british foreign policy instead of going go off on a US foreign policy tangent. I'm bored of this anti-american vein of tedium that permeates so many threads on here its tedious as it precludes any form of discussion about any form of foreign affairs.
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Written by: LurchWritten by: ]also, he condoned and supported GWB, that makes him as bad. [/quote
Not to completely derail the topic, but why such hatred? There is seemingly a lot of anti-americanism there, I'm just curious if you could elaborate a bit. Is that over Iraq? or Afghanistan? The "War on Terror" in general? Or just because it's Bush?
to be honest, i really cannot be bothered and i dont want to. i'll sum it up by saying that its all of the above. going into afghanistan then iraq and then supporting the policies that were pursued in those countries were not wise decisions for this country or for him. look where it has got us (the UK nation/the world) and him (TB).
frankly, i dont wanna get embroiled in some "anti-american argument.this thread is about tony blair and his legacy to the world and the UK not "are you for america or against". i have mentioned him here because he made some decisions that related to some things that GWB and co have done that i think were bad and i said that this made him as bad. this is not anti-americanism. this is an observation based on personal opinion based on a reasonable amount of browsing of current affairs stuff.
see after a few of my rants i probably have a rep for being some left-wing, i hate all americans etc etc yaddayaddaydda type person whihc is not the case so thats all i will say.
on here, every thread that is about politics degenerates into this is "anti-americanism" and i would like to see this thread as a means to try and get people to assess british foreign policy instead of going go off on a US foreign policy tangent. I'm bored of this anti-american vein of tedium that permeates so many threads on here its tedious as it precludes any form of discussion about any form of foreign affairs.
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PS: in case i didnt make myself clear this thread is about
Tony Blair, UK
not:
america, george bush, whether everyone is against the US,
thanks
B
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PS: in case i didnt make myself clear this thread is about
Tony Blair, UK
not:
america, george bush, whether everyone is against the US,
thanks
B
oh yeh *hugs*
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thanks biggins, i was going to put
stop hijacking my thread 
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Well you can't really say "he agrees with Bush, therefore he's evil" and not have it be anti-american :P
It was an honest question, no need to be hostile. I wasn't looking to get into an anti-american argument, you're the one who brought up the US to begin with. Frankly I don't think blindly catagorizing politics is a very good idea. Everyone does things wrong, or bad, it's the nature of the game you'll never make everyone happy.
I don't have a huge understanding of British politics, but it seems that a lot of the criticisms Blair gets are almost directly related back to that anti-american mentality. Right or wrong it does seem to blind people. Ignore the bad for a bit and look at what he has accomplished. He was elected 3 times, for one thing, which should say something right there. My understanding is that he was quite popular during the early part of his career, promised many nice and shiny things. Some of which he came through on, most of which only partially, some not at all.
Well you can't really say "he agrees with Bush, therefore he's evil" and not have it be anti-american :P
It was an honest question, no need to be hostile. I wasn't looking to get into an anti-american argument, you're the one who brought up the US to begin with. Frankly I don't think blindly catagorizing politics is a very good idea. Everyone does things wrong, or bad, it's the nature of the game you'll never make everyone happy.
I don't have a huge understanding of British politics, but it seems that a lot of the criticisms Blair gets are almost directly related back to that anti-american mentality. Right or wrong it does seem to blind people. Ignore the bad for a bit and look at what he has accomplished. He was elected 3 times, for one thing, which should say something right there. My understanding is that he was quite popular during the early part of his career, promised many nice and shiny things. Some of which he came through on, most of which only partially, some not at all.
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I have no time whatsoever for people who can't make the distinction between anti-American and anti-an-American.
[edit] If it comes down to being for or against America; Where people can't make the afore said distinction, I'm definately against America, for the way it's institutions and politics encourage stupidity, ignorance and lock-step nationalism, that causes a justly deserved bad reputation for some to spill over onto the genuinely decent, intelligent and free thinking Americans, whom I would gladly live with and die for.
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I have no time whatsoever for people who can't make the distinction between anti-American and anti-an-American.
[edit] If it comes down to being for or against America; Where people can't make the afore said distinction, I'm definately against America, for the way it's institutions and politics encourage stupidity, ignorance and lock-step nationalism, that causes a justly deserved bad reputation for some to spill over onto the genuinely decent, intelligent and free thinking Americans, whom I would gladly live with and die for.
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no that's just the democrats that keep giving free handouts and no training and no responsiblity
sorry
now get back on topic!
no that's just the democrats that keep giving free handouts and no training and no responsiblity
sorry
now get back on topic!
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I am opposed to stupidity, ignorance and affronts to rational thought no matter where they may occur, so this is a division between those who whould be led blindly and those who would know those who lead them and choose the better path for themselves.
Turning the matter into a division of race or nationality is just another way to blind people to where they are being led.
I am opposed to stupidity, ignorance and affronts to rational thought no matter where they may occur, so this is a division between those who whould be led blindly and those who would know those who lead them and choose the better path for themselves.
Turning the matter into a division of race or nationality is just another way to blind people to where they are being led.
You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.
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And democrat/republican is yet another division that has you blinded to what's really going on. So long as people make judgements and divide the world along differing polarities, no-one can get along. The opposites are always part of the same thing that is ultimately destroyed by enforcing their separation.
And democrat/republican is yet another division that has you blinded to what's really going on. So long as people make judgements and divide the world along differing polarities, no-one can get along. The opposites are always part of the same thing that is ultimately destroyed by enforcing their separation.
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i'm with you on that one
"capatalist systems thrive's upon greed, making people want when they don't really need. greed leads to fighting an governments cash in, cos' they supply the guns that do the trooping!!! in search of money they bring the suffering, look how much ammo they been creating. 16billion units a year thats 2 guns sold for every person here."
humanity has lost it's way, in the persute of making life easyer we have corrupted ourselves.
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I am opposed to stupidity, ignorance and affronts to rational thought no matter where they may occur, so this is a division between those who whould be led blindly and those who would know those who lead them and choose the better path for themselves.
Turning the matter into a division of race or nationality is just another way to blind people to where they are being led.
i'm with you on that one
"capatalist systems thrive's upon greed, making people want when they don't really need. greed leads to fighting an governments cash in, cos' they supply the guns that do the trooping!!! in search of money they bring the suffering, look how much ammo they been creating. 16billion units a year thats 2 guns sold for every person here."
humanity has lost it's way, in the persute of making life easyer we have corrupted ourselves.
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Well this is great.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6660565.stm
Well this is great.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6660565.stm
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thank you for saying in one sentence what i would have take three paragraphs to say
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Well you can't really say "he agrees with Bush, therefore he's evil" and not have it be anti-american :P
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I have no time whatsoever for people who can't make the distinction between anti-American and anti-an-American
thank you for saying in one sentence what i would have take three paragraphs to say
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Ignore the bad for a bit and look at what he has accomplished.
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what these bad things?
trident (please tell me why?),
outrageous house prices,
decreased job security,
public transport destruction
PFI-ing every government service he can get his hands on (including my job probably),
has given the UK such a bad name internationally,
introduced student top-up fees,
got the ball rolling for ID cards....
eroded civil liberties
supply arms and stuff to ppl that didnt really need it.
lying to parliment (allegedly)
embroiling the country in an illegal war in the middle east over oilWielding a Wooden Spoon
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