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BirgitBRONZE Member
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Another way of explaining the world... wiki's conservative "counterpart"!

https://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

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StoutBRONZE Member
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I wonder what terrifying vistas of reality that Lovecraft envisions?? Mind you, I'd be pretty freaked out if Jesus "returned" to Earth and started performing miracles and holding press conferences.

Personally, my world wasn't shattered when science discovered those worms that live around deep sea volcanic vents, forcing a rejection of the "common knowledge" that ALL life depends on the sun...There's more examples of this, I know.

Thing is..at least with ID..it's something we can actually discuss, as opposed to the diametric opposition between creationism and evolution. We may not find a common ground here..but at least it's a tiny stem in the right direction of opening up dialogue.

Do young earth creationists deny the role that genetics plays in the transfer of traits ? I think they have more of a hard time digesting the idea that genetics took billions of years to get us where we are today...given that they only have a 6000 or so year time frame to work with. One could conceivably be a young earther, and work in the field of genetics. Could you be a young earth paleontologist, or geologist ?

The thing about organised faith is..it relies on hanging on to that ignorance in the face of "new" information. It's like believing the mass suicides that lemmings were supposed to indulge in, then rejecting the knowledge that the scene in the movie that gave rise to the popularity of this myth, was faked by the film crew.

Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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 Written by: Stout


Rouge Dragon..that has got to be one of the best sidestepping an issue posts I've ever seen. You wouldn't happen to be heading for a career in politics would you ? wink

Why bother pretending that it's a giraffe church, when we have several, real, religions that also feature creation myths ? Shinto..for instance also boasts a hilarious account of how the world came into being.

I'm just having a hard time coming to grips with the idea that it's ok to mock Christians for their beliefs, yet it's somehow racist and discriminatory to mock any other religions beliefs. At least uncyclopedia is with the equal opportunity mocking program. ( see their entry on new age )

The whole thing just seems kind of lop sided to me. Why should Christian beliefs and teachings be considered any more "dangerous" or biased than any of the other weird things that millions of people believe in ?

Would you consider the CIA having spies on a white supremacist site as discriminatory as having them on as Islamic site ?




How was I sidestepping anything? By making up a religion? I did that because I wanted people to step outside of the box and forget about real world religions, because real religions get too personal so i figured if i made up a religion that it would make it a bit less personal. Hypothetical, perhaps? Because if I had picked Shinto, no doubt someone would have come along and told me I was being racist as well as anti-shinto (Shinto is Japanese for anyone reading this who doesnt know).

And have I said it's ok to mock christians for their beliefs? No.

And why are christian teachings more dangerous than any other? If you understood my example about my hypothetical church to stand in for any religion you would have understood my point that it's NOT about christianity. Christianity is just the buzz word because this thread is talking about a conservative christian site. If we started building out whole arguments around shinto, THAT would be sidestepping an issue. So maybe now I should call you the politician? wink

And would I consider the CIA on a white superemecy site as discriminatory as on an islamic site? I'm really offended you asked me that. Of course its discriminatory. Unless of course the CIA was on that site as well as the islamic one and the christian one and a tonne of other ones. Then that's just being Big Brother wink

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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 Written by: faithinfire



it seems like everyone is welcome to their own beliefs except for christians

it's unfair and discrimatory





Noone else has the nerve to create an offshoot of an unbiased encyclopedia, that is not only biased but contains info that is simply wrong. Check this out



 Written by: Christian propaganda





Pagans



Those that do not believe in Christianity.









 Written by: Christian propaganda



Infidels



The term "infidels" is a term used by some muslims to refer to good christians, and they use the term as justification to wage Jihad, or holy war, on them through terrorist attacks.









Also have you noticed that there is no article on the subject of 'love'? Isn't Christianity based on the idea of loving your neighbour?

Somehow I think a lot of Christians - including the author of the website - have missed this part of the Bible.

StoutBRONZE Member
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87,,ok,,fair enough I was just wondering what type of parallel between outright racism and Christian belief you were trying to draw. Sometimes, I think there's a tendency to think of all Christians as fundamentalists..which we all know isn't true. It's kind of a stereotype I suppose.

I personally have no problems condemning creationism as anything more than a romantic ideal trying to ( desperately) answer the big question that crosses nearly every one's mind at some point in their lives...Why are we here ?

I tend towards apathetic agnosticism on this one.

I'll go with your interpretation of Matt 7 15-23 as my bible translation-fu is very weak, but it surmises what I've been led to believe Christianity is all about ( gross oversimplification, I know, but I am an atheist )

In retrospect, condemn was too harsh a word, I like your disagree with sentiment better. I wasn't trying to derail this thread into an ID/Evol thread, merely point out that the creationism, that draws most of the mocking aimed towards Christians, can also be attributed to a host of other religions as well. It's just that I've never seen/heard anyone mocking ANY other of these religions for their similar views.

Rouge..I felt that by creating a religion, rather than using one that already exists, was an attempt to not come off as a racist, or beliefist ( to coin a word ) you did, after all draw the same parallel between conservapedians and neo nazis..even though you did acknowledge that they were different...but your implication had them in the same vein.

Hey..I used Shinto because I knew you were in japan not too long ago, otherwise I might have used something like Native American creationism. But that's what I'm getting at...why isn't mocking Christianity seen as the same thing as mocking Shinto. I'm under the impression that being a Christianophope is somehow OK while being an Islamophobe or Shintophobe is not ok..

I say something about my concerns that the Koran actually tells it's followers to kill those who refuse to convert to Islam..and get called a racist for expressing that idea ( not here on HoP ) whereas the Bible gets maliciously attacked for it's views on things like homosexuality and abortion.

My apologies for the offense,,none was intended,,I used white supremacists simply because of your mention of Prussian blue...who claim not to be racists, but ethnocentrists instead.

Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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I think the reason why it's "ok" to be a christianophobe is because we're (and i'm going with most people on HoP and the people you and I are going to associate with) born and brought up in christian societies and not muslim/shinto/whatever ones.

It's like how if you're an aussie and you pay out aussies for being convicts, its ok. But if you're not aussie then you're being a dick. Or my asian friend paying out asians.

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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StoutBRONZE Member
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I'll buy that..it's a perspective I hadn't really thought of before..I can't say that I agree with it, but it does shed some insight ( along with Brigit's post ) about just why being a christianophope is *more tolerable* than being any other type of "phobe"

Since most of us were raised in the Christian conservative environment and no doubt some of us even retain a vestigial belief in God while rejecting the Christian mindset as a whole, we can realistically consider Christianity to be "our" culture.

Maybe it's my avowed atheism that has me viewing Christianity as being the same as any other religion. I don't feel I'm a part of it, as I don't feel I'm a part of a religion like Islam, even though I can direct you to several churches in the city off the top of my head, but I'd have to get out the phone book to direct you to a Mosque.

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87..thanks for the clarification...I understand the point you were trying to get across with parents only supplying their children with one viewpoint.

faith enfireBRONZE Member
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in saying that Christianity relies on ignorance you only show your own
Christianity takes joy in so much of science. Looking at the intricities (sp) of all that is around us only strengthen my belief in ID
take your ignorance someplace else, because we have faith does not mean that we are ignorant. because our beliefs do not match yours does not mean that we are ignorant
i love you all but your attitudes hurt and make me cry

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed


Gnarly CraniumSILVER Member
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Posted:
 Written by: faithinfire


in saying that Christianity relies on ignorance you only show your own
Christianity takes joy in so much of science. Looking at the intricities (sp) of all that is around us only strengthen my belief in ID
take your ignorance someplace else, because we have faith does not mean that we are ignorant. because our beliefs do not match yours does not mean that we are ignorant
i love you all but your attitudes hurt and make me cry


Dude. Don't take this so personally.

The discussion in this thread has been making a lot of generalizations, some of them unkind-- but don't think for one moment that these people don't realize every group has hugely varying members. Don't assume every disparaging remark directed towards Christianity is directed towards you. Do you really want to automatically group yourself in with the types that have committed genocide and so on in the name of that same religion? These sorts of generalizations come at everybody, all the time, in different ways-- ethnicity, culture, professions, religion, whatever. Don't automatically make everything an Us versus Them, why-is-everybody-else-so-mean, type of issue. I mean come on-- you're calling people ignorant for calling people ignorant. Do you see the irony here? Round and round we go. You are jumping to a knee-jerk reaction of feeling persecuted, when in reality probably nobody really meant to offend you-- this sort of attitude only reinforces conflict and completely dodges the real issue.

Not every Christian 'takes joy in science'. In many cases-- not all, but many-- 'faith' DOES rely on ignorance. Look around at how some people behave, like some of the examples that have been given here. Sure, there are people who can take an educated look at things, and keep whatever sort of faith they wish-- but too many people choose to back up their beliefs with crap that's just plain made up.

"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X


Gnarly CraniumSILVER Member
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Oh, GOOD GRIEF.
 Written by: conservapedia entry on Bush

Though the liberal media continues to disparage Bush's handling of the economy, they often neglect to report the many aspects of the economy that Bush has improved. For example, during his term Exxon Mobile has posted the largest profit of any company in a single year, and executive salaries have greatly increased as well.[5] This is due to changes in the stock market that lead to a record high in 2006. Corporations show profits growing by double digits growth.[6] Even the working class is benefiting from the Bush economy, as unemployment hits an all time low in March 2007.


eek ...Any point I could have made here, they just made FOR me. Are you guys sure this thing isn't some weird parody of itself? I mean, between that and the re-creation pun on the sex page...

Nice touch, that 'EVEN the working class' bit at the end. Almost forgot about them completely there for a second, didn't they?

I don't know whether to laugh or puke.

"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X


BirgitBRONZE Member
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Posted:
I just checked their entry on Germany... all they had to say about the time between 1871 (beating the French) and 1945 (end of WW2) was:

"European power struggles immersed Germany in two devastating World Wars in the first half of the 20th century and left the country occupied by the victorious Allied powers of the USA, UK, France, and the Soviet Union in 1945."

Now, this being my country, I think I can safely say that it's somewhat wrong to claim that Germany just got immersed (in passive tense) in European power struggles and, by the way, as something of a side effect, whoopdeedoo, there were those 2 annoying wars. Nevermind maybe mentioning Germany changing the form of state from empire to republic etc, and the capital a few times in between.

It seems ironic that they spend 40 words (20 of which are about how great the States and their allies were) on what is an important bit of history, and 24 on the government (which goes as far as "executive branch", apparently we have no legislation or jurisdiction) - but as many as 22 on "War on Terror: Germany currently contributes troops to the NATO-led operation in Afghanistan, but did not support the invasion of Iraq."

Faith, this is NOT about Christianity as a whole, much less about you. This is about a bunch of people who put up misleading, incomplete and very biased information on the internet labelled as a resource, and execute tight censorship on it. Do you personally think that what I just quoted is all that should be said (and in the right words) about early 20th century German history? National socialism? Antisemitism?

[sarcasm]Whoopsie, they forgot to mention that German antisemitism and WW2 gave the Victorious USA a large influx of brilliant thinkers, especially in science, and led to gaining technology and personnel that enabled the USA to build the nuclear bomb and celebrate a glorious defeat of the Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Maybe I should suggest that as an improvement? (Or maybe not, given that the brilliant thinkers emigrating to the USA were mostly Jews, lefties and maybe even some gay people, God forbid) [/sarcasm]

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DentrassiGOLD Member
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Posted:
after reading through more of the entries - i think its pretty clear many of the contributors are taking the piss...



whether it was set up as a parody or not - im uncertain. I wouldnt put it past some conservative redneck types to set up something like this but not anticipate how many surfers will mess it up for their own enjoyment.

then again it could be a pimply teenager with a sense of humour and an internet connection who dreamt the entire thing up...
EDITED_BY: Dentrassi (1175127617)

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jeff(fake)Scientist of Fortune
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Posted:
 Written by: Dentrassi


after reading through more of the entries - i think its pretty clear many of the contributors are taking the piss...



I've been uploading garbage for a while now, myself, but you would be surprised how many people are serious. They are so indistinguishable from parady it's doubly funny.
 Written by: Dentrassi


whether it was set up as a parody or not - im uncertain.


Check out the family history of it's founder, Andrew Schafly. He's the son of Phyliss Schafly, who famously campainged against the equal rights act.

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DominoSILVER Member
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This line from the Guy Fawks entry made me chuckle:

 Written by:

His death is celebrated in England every year on Guy Fawkes Day, celebrating the death of the only man ever to enter Parliament with honest intentions.



Incidently jeff, what garbage? Any of the good stuff still there?

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jeff(fake)Scientist of Fortune
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 Written by: Domino


Incidently jeff, what garbage? Any of the good stuff still there?


I'm working on it slowly, so far it's just a few subtle jokes.

Did you know that the gut has three times the number of nerve endings as the brain? Because plenty of idiots will now. wink

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DominoSILVER Member
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Heheh, nice one. Citation seems to be dead though.

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jeff(fake)Scientist of Fortune
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Posted:
Check out the new entry on poi wink

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Mr MajestikSILVER Member
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Posted:
OMFG

conservepedia overestimates the population of tasmania by DOUBLE ubblol just a tad of editing needed, ubblol

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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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when you put your life in faith it is hard not to take it personally when all you see is generalizations that is not representative of the population
what if i went around promoting the idea that all homosexuals were like jack from will and grace...people would be pissed and i would be called ignorant
fair is fair

Faith
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 Written by: faithinfire


when you put your life in faith it is hard not to take it personally when all you see is generalizations that is not representative of the population
what if i went around promoting the idea that all homosexuals were like jack from will and grace...people would be pissed and i would be called ignorant
fair is fair



Your analogy is flawed: homosexuals are pretty much harmless, whereas fundamentalists aren't; they start wars. They can't just be left to their own devices.

faith enfireBRONZE Member
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well, i know what the fundamentalists would say about homosexuals and families
but that would just be ignorance

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed


DentrassiGOLD Member
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homosexuals harmless? well some fellows like Fred Phelps to like to blame September 11 and other various worldy event as the direct results of too many homosexuals on the planet...
but thankfully most of us know better smile

incidently... old freddy seems too extreme even for conservapedia - the article on him is relatively neutral - well by what could be expected anyway...

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Gnarly CraniumSILVER Member
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 Written by: jeff(fake)


Did you know that the gut has three times the number of nerve endings as the brain? Because plenty of idiots will now. wink


You can look it up!

Now, I know some of you are going to say "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's cause you looked it up in a BOOK. Next time, look it up in your gut.

"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X


jeff(fake)Scientist of Fortune
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 Written by: Gnarly Cranium


 Written by: jeff(fake)


Did you know that the gut has three times the number of nerve endings as the brain? Because plenty of idiots will now. wink


You can look it up!

Now, I know some of you are going to say "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's cause you looked it up in a BOOK. Next time, look it up in your gut.


Not to mention that books are elitist.

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Sites like this make Jesus cry.

ubbcrying

Gnarly CraniumSILVER Member
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 Written by: jeff(fake)


Not to mention that books are elitist.


Wow. I'm telling you, this thing is the single best repository of Truthiness on the internet. If Stephen Colbert hasn't already snarfed his coffee reading it, somebody needs to send it to him.

"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X


faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
seeing as how this is really just making fun of this website and Christians
should't the moderators put this is in chat
it's not really a serious discussion

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed


Gnarly CraniumSILVER Member
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 Written by: faithinfire


seeing as how this is really just making fun of this website and Christians
should't the moderators put this is in chat
it's not really a serious discussion


Look. We already told you. We are NOT making fun of Christianity as a whole. Give the victim act a rest.

There are some serious ramifications to this sort of thing and serious political issues at stake, and we can have an intelligent discussion about it without taking every little thing personally.

"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X


faith enfireBRONZE Member
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faith is a personal thing, conservepedia is a faith based encyclopedia.
much of it is not offensive. just not what most liberals would consider to be true and therefore wrong
some of it is fundamentalist, and that is a little harder to swallow for people even of faith. but it is what they believe, leave them alone
i am not acting like a victim, i am a Catholic who stands against such slander
some of the more esotereic posts on that sight can be blamed on graffitte that wiki is also prone to. as it is smaller it takes more time for such things like power comes from aliens to be removed
again-if this was anything other than a christian site, others would be crying discrimination. because it is, you cheer and tease
leave Christians alone at least over the holy week

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed


KaelGotRiceGOLD Member
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Posted:
You miss the point again, we're not laughing AT christians, we're pointing out that stupid idiotic history-rewriting people, of which these are christians, are lessening the IQ on this planet while claiming a scientific approach through a wiki site that tells straight up lies and only let's certain people edit.

And what does holy week have to do with anything? Shouldn't all weeks be spiritual?

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LA/EDC glow/fire footage

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