Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
"Moo," said the happy cow.
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Patriarch, where do you learn about evolution? have you read any books on it?
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Written by: Patriarch917
You are still presuming that Gen 2 is a separate account of creation. By this assumption, Genesis 2 says that the sun and fish were never created.
If you read Genesis 2 as a description of the beginning of man, in the context of creation in general, it makes a lot more sense.
Your contradictory lists of “order” have two major problems:
1. It fails to recognize the difference between the creation of plants, and the planting of the specific trees in the Garden of Eden. Vs. 8 and 9 are not the creation of plants in general, but just the growing of the Garden.
2. Your list wrongly states that birds and land animals were created after Adam. Verse 19 says that God had formed them previously, and then brought them to Adam after Adam had been made. This is in agreement with the order of creation in Chapter 1. Then God made Eve. This detailed description is in harmony with the general description of creation found in Chapter 1.
Again, your errors stem from the misconception that Chapter 2 is another account of creation. Verse 4 states that it is an account of when they were created.
The account is clear. The effort to find a contradiction when none actually exists in the text is what has made it complicated. I have tried previously to resist responding to the claims that the Bible is full of "contradictions." I should have done it in this instance as well, as this discussion has taken us far off topic. I will try in the future to refrain from discussing alleged contradictions unless someone creates a topic for it.
"Moo," said the happy cow.
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Patriarch, where do you learn about evolution? have you read any books on it?
Can I ask you this again please?
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Actually in the KJV verses 18/19 (which are different from what I earlier posted) it doesn't say that the animals were already existing. But hey, I'll not derail this thread by making you come up with explainations for the long list of contradictions in the Bible.
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Again, what is your definition of genetic information?
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According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...
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Do you have some kind of block by which it becomes impossible for you to understand the difference between evolution and chance?
We have explained it very clearly on a large number of occassions yet you still persist in this fallacy. Why is that?
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I have read articles by evolutionists proclaiming that evolution is not occurring "by chance." Usually, it is admitted that the information is generated by chance mutations, but Natural Selection is appealed to as a force which "directs" evolution. Remember, however, that natural selection is not a disputed issue. Both creationists, ID advocates, and evolutionists agree on the role of natural selection. It destroys informatio that is not suitable to the environment.
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Intelligent design (ID) is the concept that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1] Its leading proponents, all of whom are affiliated with the Discovery Institute[2], say that intelligent design is a scientific theory that stands on equal footing with, or is superior to, current scientific theories regarding the origin of life.[3]
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"Moo," said the happy cow.
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I have read articles by evolutionists proclaiming that evolution is not occurring "by chance." Usually, it is admitted that the information is generated by chance mutations, but Natural Selection is appealed to as a force which "directs" evolution. Remember, however, that natural selection is not a disputed issue. Both creationists, ID advocates, and evolutionists agree on the role of natural selection. It destroys informatio that is not suitable to the environment.
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Intelligent design (ID) is the concept that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1] Its leading proponents, all of whom are affiliated with the Discovery Institute[2], say that intelligent design is a scientific theory that stands on equal footing with, or is superior to, current scientific theories regarding the origin of life.[3]
According to that, ID doesn't accept natural selection (IE Darwin).
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Your interpretation is incorrect. It is not natural selection that is disputed. Natural selection is a current, observable feature of our world.
Natural selection is accepted. What is not accepted is the idea that natural selection is the best explanation for certain features of life.
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Remember my example with the blind man trying to solve the Rubik's cube? Natural selection was the guy sitting across from him who would look at the cube and say whether it had been solved or not.
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Natural selection acts as a filter that destroys bad information but lets good information reproduce. Under the theory of evolution, however, the information is produced by chance.
Since natural selection is not able to influence the information until after it is created, massive amounts of random information is thought to be produced, with the occasional good one.
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None of this is "disputed" as being impossible in theory. What is disputed is whether this is the best explanation for life as we know it.
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My goal is not to insult anyone for believing what they do, but merely to discuss and debate those beliefs.
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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