Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: Patriarch917
All of the data and experiments to date suggests that the conditions needed for life to occur by chance never existed on Earth.
Rubbish.
What you meant to say is that all the data suggests that specific proteins and DNA are too complex to have emerged by chance. Creationists often misinterprate this in their mad rush to try and disprove evolution, thus exposing their scientific naivety.
And if you'll remember we've shown repeatedly that evolution is not chance, and that there is no need for specific proteins or DNA in the abiogenesis hypothesis.
The insults of your enemy are a tribute to your bravery
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life could never be created on Earth by chance at this time, because the environment as we see it would destroy the component parts before they could assemble.
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If it did not occur randomly, it must have been done on purpose.
Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.
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There are two objections to the idea that life arose from nonliving material by chance on Earth. One is that, assuming the right components were available, it is prohibitively unlikely that they would arrange themselves into a self replicating form. I say that it is unlikely, not impossible.
Right now, I'm sitting in a room that is about 21% oxygen. These oxygen molecules are bouncing around the room. It is theoretically possible that all of the oxygen molecules could randomly end up congregating in one corner of the room, and I could suffocate. This is not impossible, it is merely unlikely.
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It would not happen by "chance," one could say. Each individual molecule would be following the laws of physics, and someone who could see and track them all could accurately predict their paths. However, I do not fear this because I know that, over time, random occurrences tend to lead to disorder and chaos rather than order.
It is the same way with the spontaneous generation of life. Even assuming the world was filled with oceans of the components needed, the odds against the components gathering together at the right place and the right time are prohibitive.
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However, you seemed to take issue with my statement that the conditions on earth would never have allowed for the creation of life. This is exactly what I meant to say. We can say authoritatively that life could never be created on Earth by chance at this time, because the environment as we see it would destroy the component parts before they could assemble. The Earth is well suited to support life right now, but not to create and sustain the component parts. On the other hand, the proposed environments suitable for manufacturing the component parts would tend to destroy any life that were to try to assemble itself.
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It's like baking a cake. If you were to put all of the ingredients for a cake in the oven, and then try to start mixing them, it wouldn't work very well. On the other hand, you can't just mix the ingredients outside of the oven and then never put the cake in the oven. Two different environments are needed to properly make a cake, which is just one reason why cakes don't form in nature by chance, (another reason is that it is unlikely that the components of the cake would coincidentally arrive at the same location and mix themselves without intelligent intervention.) Making life is, of course, even more complex.
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I've already given a number of quotes from authorities on evolution proudly proclaiming that chance is responsible for the initial creation of life and it's subsequent development (check page 23). These seemed to work for a little while (remarks were made such as "chance plays a role in evolution, but evolution is not chance.") I don't want to rehash a previous argument. If both ID and evolution agree that life did not occur by chance, then I will accept it and move on.
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It's not that crazy, I suppose, that two sides can seem to disagree so much but really be arguing over tiny details. For example, Richard Dawkins seems to like the theory that life may have been created from clay. The Bible agrees.
"Moo," said the happy cow.
Written by: faithinfire
I've said it before. ID does not exclude Evolution. the two are not mutually exclusive.
"Moo," said the happy cow.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
"Moo," said the happy cow.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
"Moo," said the happy cow.
Written by: Stone
Why start a new thread Patriarch917 ?
Your whole argument of ID is based on the existence of a supreme being. If this being doesn’t exist you have no case.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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Why start a new thread Patriarch917 ?
Your whole argument of ID is based on the existence of a supreme being. If this being doesn’t exist you have no case.
That is incorrect. ID is not based on the existence of a supreme being. The existence of a supreme being is based on ID.
If, as the ID theory posits, certain features of the world are best explained by intelligent design, then we can infer from that evidence that an intelligent designer exists.
Naturalism suggests that even though things exist for which ID is the best explanation, we should still believe that they happened by chance.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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The basic assumptions of science exclude supernatural phenomenon as being real.
Written by: jeff(fake)
Can the Rushmore monument reproduce? Can pocket watches [reproduce]?
*no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no*
"Oooh, what a shiny new move!"
*no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no*
"Oooh, what a shiny new move!"