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Raymember
3 posts
Location: Fairbanks Ak


Posted:
I have been around for 50 years and have had many different women but there is only very few of the women that have really understood the satisfaction of sex. and each of the evern now after 10 to 12 years later are still coming to me to satisfy them and ask why their husbands cant do what i do for them. I have started a man to man class to teach men how to give the women of their life the best of sex. The men i have teach the thing have given me more then I have ever thought the ability to show them how to satisfie the women the love. What I am asking is why dont other men know what it takes and why dont they past it on like i do?

SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
How'se this one..

I've always been attracted to women, and I've always loved to watch them dance, but now I get to see them 'perform' with staffs, poi or whatever.. Personally I believe that a girl's sexyness increases by at least 100% when she's performing with poi or staff (if she looks comfortable)

What do you think?

How about the girls, do you feel that way about guys? Do you have the ability to see girls as more sexy when they 'perform'?

(This post is dedicated to all the behind the back moves )

Janglamember
155 posts
Location: Oxford, UK


Posted:
Now, I know this might be a little controversial, but there's been a lot of talk about how men should please women blah, blah, blah, blah, BLAH! What about us!? We spend so much time agonising over whether you're having a good time and whether you're getting off and whether we're hard/wide/long enough that it should come as no real surprise if you end up disappointed. Pele's posts are more what I mean - as the old addage says; it takes 2 to tango.

When was the last time a woman agonised over whether she was pleasing her man? The assumption that all men are crap at pleasing their woman and can easily please themselves in any sexual meeting is sooooo far out of whack is defies belief. 'Just stick it in and it feels great' is wrong (at least in my opinion).

I'm gonna take a stand on this one and say "We want the attention too, we want to feel like you're making an effort, we wanna feel like you do when you're doing the all over body blast; and if you can't supply me that, then it's YOU that's crap in bed."

...OK, so that was a little harsh but I think it illustrates my point.

---------------------With a bit of luck, his life was ruined; always thinking that just behind some narrow door, in his favourite bars, men in red woolen suits are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know.


CassandraFroggie ... Ribbit !!!
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !


Posted:
I totally agree with jangla on that one ... and besides... since women build their pleasure also partly(if not greatly ) emotionally and psychologically as opposed to pure "technique", then it can't be better than when you know your other half is happy and pleased too..

It definitely works both ways allthough when you are snuggling and kissing and making love with your other half, I think the beauty of it is that it's like you don't know when you finish and when the other's body starts... melting into eachotehr's arms and making the other's pleasure yours and vice versa ...

just my two francs

shine on
Cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"


Morganemember
102 posts
Location: Austria


Posted:
oh goody i had to go and read this thread!!
*whine* where are decent males round here???
*grumble*
a thoroughly frustrated Morgy

Out to Wrong Rights and Depress the Opressed.


NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
... Taken and utterly satisfied.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
on that subject.. there's just too many girls in this world who just don't have a clue how to give a proper blow job.

Or perhaps some girls have been taught wrong.. Or perhaps I just require more than most guys. I don't know, but for god's sake, use your bloody hands!!! I don't care how pretty your mouth is, its got no friction!! Trust me!

Oh, girls deserve orgasms too, but in most cases they have to know their own body and how it should be directed technically, and in many cases they need to be in their 'mood' for the possibility of orgasm to even be possible.

quote:
*whine* where are decent males round here???
Oh, I'm not descent.. Glass is a true gentleman though. A prince among knights, a king among lords.. Women want him, men want to BE him.

Mostly cause of that btb 5 beat weave in both directions+turn though.

DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
I'm with Jangla and Smoky! Girls expect that you're going to be automatically turned on. They're keen to receive foreplay, but often know little about how to give foreplay!

Girls also often mistake gentle manipulation with another, more painful, exercise called 'skin the sausage'.

CassandraFroggie ... Ribbit !!!
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !


Posted:
I have to that my whole vision of men's desires changed after a night long conversation I had with one of my best friends who is gay definitely taught me a few usefull things

I very much beleive in communication too... Of course if it is a one night stand then you'd better be effecitve "right away" ... Mind you, I am not judging, just telling you my feeling : the learning process is fun in itself : discovering what feels, good / gooooood / and soooooo gooooood too but it does take time.

SBowl, I beleive that women in general probably know their body less well than men. Part of it being because masturbation is a bit less common for women. So I don't think it is very fair to expect from someone to "know themselves" ... to me it is a constant discovering process really... and if it was not at my age (26) then I think it would actually be sad. I sure hope that even in 50 years I'll still discover something, some unknown emotion that goes with an unknown touch

Shine on
cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"


CassandraFroggie ... Ribbit !!!
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !


Posted:

FieryFlow ...
I like that new name, dave

Dom, you are right ... and it all comes down to this :

co-mmu-ni-ca-te ... and everyone will be so much happier

Don't be angry if someone makes a mistake (skin the sausage ? ROFL !!!) show them...
I think the worst thing is a couple who's been both pretending everything is so good for years... the more you wait, by fear of hurting the otehr, the worse it gets... if someone tells me a few minutes / hours / days later "by the way honey, I like it / don't like it / prefer when CENSORED etc..." then I am quite happy : I am learning, we are sharing.
But if after a few years my man was to tell me "I never liked when you gave me oral sex "... I'd be VERY upset and sad ...

what say you ?

shine on
cassandra

[ 25 April 2002, 03:22: Message edited by: Cassandra ]

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
Indeed! Also agree with the gay men thing. The whole gay scene is a lot more open when it comes to discussing sex and what they like. Only in a gay club will somebody say 'I like CENSORED. Will you do it to me.' In a straight club there's all this faffing around and pretending that you're interested in each other mentally when you know you both just want to go get a room! Can I subtly add a disclaimer that I don't fit into either of these scenarios!

And the best partners are those who can laugh and joke. Sex can be romantic, erotic, whatever, but mainly it's messy, fiddly and should involve a lot of experimentation with arms and legs everywhere and silly happenings and noises. And for that you need a sense of humour and no prudishness!

FieryFlow, sounds like a girl's name to me, but it's good

N8member
336 posts
Location: NY, USA


Posted:
YES! the swingers post! I love this thread. Sigh, somting about a good conversation resurfacing just warms my heart.

Kinda feel like Dr. Frankenstien;
"Its alive! ALIVE! Bruhahahaha!"

whoa, that was cool.

Care of other people's approval and you become their prisoner.Live fully, Rave wholly.Fluid are the movements of my strings...


NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Cassandra's right about communication... I'm sure everyone's different, I actually do understand the argument of "Talking about it kills the mood" but for me it's quite the opposite. Talking about turnons is quite flirtatious... at least to me.

... Hrmmmmm. Sex: I remember that.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


GlåssDIAMOND Member
The Ministry of Manipulation
2,523 posts
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom


Posted:
smoky you make me smile and blush.
quote:
Glass is a... No, Actually I cant quote that, its just not true but it we can but dream, and im still smiling 4 hours after reading it


I wouldn't know nuffin about no jobs or nuffin. but I do know lots of lovely people, boys and girls who know how to give great hugs. and thats pretty important in my book.

If you want a true gentleman, i'll tell you, your man is Dom. And check out those legendary posts in the anti-war thread

I just get used to calling you smoky and you go and change it, rubbish.

______________________________________________
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sign up for Smokey daves blow job school today,
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_______________________________________________

see yall saturday night

Sunshine and dew on a medow on a walm spring morning
Glass

and they only took me 15 minutes each, not quite solid yet

[ 25 April 2002, 09:48: Message edited by: glass ]

King LouieJungle V.I.P.
19 posts
Location: The Jungle


Posted:
HEEEY
Did
somebody
mention
SWINGING

I Love Swinging.

No monkeying around now
be cool
Cousin Louie
________________________________________
ooobie doo

[ 25 April 2002, 09:54: Message edited by: King Louie ]

Raymember
3 posts
Location: Fairbanks Ak


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Ray:
I have been around for 50 years and have had many different women but there is only very few of the women that have really understood the satisfaction of sex. and each of the evern now after 10 to 12 years later are still coming to me to satisfy them and ask why their husbands cant do what i do for them. I have started a man to man class to teach men how to give the women of their life the best of sex. The men i have teach the thing have given me more then I have ever thought the ability to show them how to satisfie the women the love.
What I am asking is why dont other men know what it takes and why dont they past it on like i do?


Raymember
3 posts
Location: Fairbanks Ak


Posted:
Sorry folks have been doing what makes me happy. I see by the 74 reply's I got your attention.
You all need to think more life is what you make it and if you cant make it the way you want then you need to think about what you have been doing to put you where you are today.
It is not what you can do with what you got. It is how you do with what you have.
And old Quote It is not the lenght or the strenght it is the throb of the knob.[/QB][/QUOTE]

RoziSILVER Member
100 characters max...
2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


Posted:
Hello Ray, 16/3/01 to 25/4/02, that is stamina!!!

ROTFL laughing, Dom. Skin the sausage, indeed I don't have the equipment & I am crossing my legs from that mental image.

You just gotta remember that different guys like it different ways too, some even like the skin taken off their sausage . Women have to relearn with a new partner just in the same way men do. We are bound to make a few mistakes along the way. Especially cos we keep getting told how easy men are to please. If you fail to please a woman at least you can rest assured that it is common knowledge that it is a tough task. So play nice kiddies...

*Nods in King Louie's direction & strolls off singing "I wanna be a man, manchild..."*

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


PeleBRONZE Member
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA


Posted:
It's why I like the tantra thing, it makes you be ***together***, not just bodies crashing.
There are a fewt hings I would like to add. I am extremely concious about my lover, to the point where it can inhibit me, but I am learning to get around that. I think a person needs to know themselves in order to help someone else please them, but I also think partnership is about discovery of ones self and one another, because we are very different alone than we are with others, in all respects, including sexually.
I also think a key thing to a great love life, in addition to communication is also experimentation (within expressed and agreed upon boundaries), which keeps thing new and vibrant. I also think that, from my humble experience, foreplay does as much for the man as for the woman...contrary to popular belief. I am also a FIRM believer in having sex before you get married. If you are not happy in your sex life that unhappiness will bleed over into your emotional relationship. Sure sex is not all of it, but as a woman I equate it with a certain form of personal intimacy and that is important. I wouldn't purchase a vehicle without testing it first, so why would I commit to a person who wasn't able to understand how to work with me for a satisfying love life, you know?

And Jangla I think it the one who made the comment about spinning making women sexier. I think that any person who knows how to move, how to dance with or without the toys is incredibly sexy to watch. I enjoy watching really good female strippers who have confidence and know how to dance and work a crowd. I enjoy watching really good male dancers for the same reason. It isn't about trying to move in a sexy way, because that usually just makes a person look silly. It is all about confidence, comfort and grace that really adds up to sex appeal for me. A nice arse helps too though!
(and btw, I am female, for those who don't know or forgot!)

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK


KyrianDreamer
4,308 posts
Location: York, England


Posted:
You know, the first thing i hear out of every guys mouth is how no girls no how to give blowjobs. which, i think, makes me rather scared to try. You know what i want to know? why the vast majority of guys arn't good at french kissing. like of all weird things. some of them know so much, and then they can't french.... it is so odd... anyhow...

yesh i'm sure communication is good. 'll keep that in mind. and of course i wait patiently for day six pele

an odd note on the "club scene" and it also translates to house parties.... first of all it is a bunch of games and i don't know why... i'm often very shy for some reason, but if i see someone i am interested in and i get enough of a response from them, well... i mean it don't happen very often but when it does it nice

an odd one, recently, well, i've learned a few tricks from friends over the years and usually they provoke quite a response (and nothing tricky here i'm just talking for a nice get-to-know-you make out session)and this last time they provoked none... 'twas very odd to me... i mean, i was totally enjoying myself, i certainly hope he was... it felt much better than it usually does but it was just different... *shrugs*

it's also odd how sometimes teh inexpierienced are so much better than the expierinced... perhaps cause no bad habits?

Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....


CassandraFroggie ... Ribbit !!!
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !


Posted:
Hey !!! I can French for sure ....
In all humility I can say that I am the best at "French-ing" on this board

Shine on
Cassandra

[ 25 April 2002, 19:38: Message edited by: Cassandra ]

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"


arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
hey, so i had a "how to have multiple orgasms" class for all the guys in my family/tribe... i figure if the girls needed to learn, then i could help with that too(ahem)... but anyway, guys, y'all know how, right? or do we really need to get into the nitty gritty here? i could at least recommend some good books, esp. to those who talked about wanting to go 5 hours and such... even tho it's hard to stay away from poi for that long

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
quote:
And Jangla I think it the one who made the comment about spinning making women sexier. I think that any person who knows how to move, how to dance with or without the toys is incredibly sexy to watch. I enjoy watching really good female strippers who have confidence and know how to dance and work a crowd. I enjoy watching really good male dancers for the same reason. It isn't about trying to move in a sexy way, because that usually just makes a person look silly. It is all about confidence, comfort and grace that really adds up to sex appeal for me. A nice arse helps too though!
Okay, so now that somebody's responded to my question.. How about this one. Would you say that certain juggling arts look better on girls than boys? I know plenty of sexy girl staffers (bambam esp.) but I somehow think of contact and poi to be a much more feminin artform. Or vice-versa..

-----
2nd Pet Peeve (on the subject of communications). I'm almost always scared to give a girl instruction while 'in the act' because SOOOOOOO often.. TOO often, they get scared and stop completely. I've always been of the mind (even when I lost my virginity) that if there is going to be communications, then you have to tell the other person if they're doing something wrong...
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SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
Multiple Orgasms for men? I think I know what you're talking about, but please recommend away.

Did this class involve an in class demonstration?

arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
well, haaaaaaay, how you doin?(swings head) i'm single and i reckon i'll try anything once... naah, i likes me the ladies!
no, we just talked it's so simple! at least at first. it would take a while to type, i'll have to do it later, or just dig and find the books so's i can hook you up!!! yeeeehaaa!

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
Rozi, yeah, good point.

Everybody does everything differently. People kiss, touch, etc... differently and it's always interesting feeling each other out at the beginning.

Glass. I'm touched. I think most of the people I've met through spinning have been outstanding ladies and gentlemen worthy of praise.

FieryFlow - women look better doing everything, but I reckon staff doesn have an inherent style which leans itself to chunkier male movements.

SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
asahi; I wasn't coming onto you

Dom, As a hetero guy thats likely your position on most issues (girls looking good). I was more asking the girls if they felt that watching guys do poi could be seen as feminin, or if they see staff as being masculine, or contact as being either/or.. And therefore, if a guy is doing a feminin artform, does it make him less.. desired?

Probably not, depends on the girl right? I know I catch girls eyeing me or some other performer, bitting their lips and falling into those 'f*ck me' eyes.

(This girl was looking at Glass like that when he was playing with his contact balls just last tuesday, cause the man's got style baby.. styyyyyle )

DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
Yep, personal style and preference is definitly a factor. Glass has style, even in those clothes he was wearing on Tuesday!

If you ever see anyone eyeing me up let me know. Usually anybody interested in me has to resort to asking something along the lines of "Are you going to f**king kiss me or what!" followed by me looking very surprised and confused. Honestly! No idea how to spot flirting, it just doesn't occur to me.

arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
man, all i know is fire gits me awl kinds a nookie an i ain't even good lookin, tawkin baut some kinda fem-eye-nine movements an such -sniff- i reckon it duzz make ye kinda sexy up there doin all that spinnin an' gyratin lie yur fornicatin with the devil hisself!

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
Dom, I know your pain. I used to be unable to read body language, and unable to flirt.. Then I went travelling for half a year (part of it in europe) and didn't hear english except sparingly for most of that time.

Not understanding the language around you forces you to learn how to understand body language. A very valuable tool, but who knew it could be applied to pulling!?

step 1: learn how to be aggresive
step 2: learn how to recognize when its time to back off
step 3: realize that girls are just as afraid (if not more than) as you are to make the first move. On top of that there is a social stygma that men are EXPECTED to make the first move!!! What bullshit is that!?!?

GAH! Horrible!

Organized Kaosmember
238 posts
Location: Thornhill, Ontario Canada


Posted:
Here's my next two cents for this thread...I think that makes 6 cents I put in in total

To me sure a big part of the fooling around and sex is the actual pleasuring part, but I feel that many people are losing it in the translation...being good at it, or the partner being good is a big part, but worrying about whether you're good or its big enuf is not the thing to think about it, doing that only brings about self conciousness and awkwardness (and for guy, it makes it harder to get it up) takes away all the fun of sex...
to me, fooling around bings an emotional bond and a physical bond together, this bond between two people is THE most special bond you can have, and this is the most important part of fooling not the pleasuring factor.
this is why I dont beleive in sex before marriage, I feel that experience of 'knowing what you're doing' is important to some extent and you can learn that through fooling, but the only person you should share the actual action of sex with is the person who you are planning to spend the rest of your life with...

Every morning I wake up and hit the ground yawning...


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