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Posted:
No mention of Nutella or Marmite promise!
I ask because I have just been to a gathering, where there was a general concensus that by sticking to a raw food diet of fruits and vegetables we can attain optimum living: increasing mental clarity, physical well being & spiritual one-ness.
This makes sense to me, in that cooking food removes their energy & mineral benefits, and that some foods are difficult for the human intestines to breakdown which incease the amount of our energy used to diegest and also increasing the types of bacteria in our stomachs that break them down/live off of them.
I stopped eating red meat and most dairy produce 2 years ago, but still eat chicken and fish as I thought I would be too weak without eating flesh, something I'm now questioning?
What do you think?
Peace
A very interested
[ 09 August 2002, 01:46: Message edited by: FireMorph ]
No mention of Nutella or Marmite promise!
I ask because I have just been to a gathering, where there was a general concensus that by sticking to a raw food diet of fruits and vegetables we can attain optimum living: increasing mental clarity, physical well being & spiritual one-ness.
This makes sense to me, in that cooking food removes their energy & mineral benefits, and that some foods are difficult for the human intestines to breakdown which incease the amount of our energy used to diegest and also increasing the types of bacteria in our stomachs that break them down/live off of them.
I stopped eating red meat and most dairy produce 2 years ago, but still eat chicken and fish as I thought I would be too weak without eating flesh, something I'm now questioning?
What do you think?
Peace
A very interested
[ 09 August 2002, 01:46: Message edited by: FireMorph ]
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Posted:
i prefer to be hungry actually
you really want to feel alive, eat nothing for a couple of days
i prefer to be hungry actually
you really want to feel alive, eat nothing for a couple of days
wherever you go, there you are.
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Posted:
I met a woman at a party recently who only ate raw food. Apparently she'd read, and believed, that cancer cells grow on cooked food, but can't grow on raw food. Once I'd picked myself off the ground we had an interesting conversation, where I corrected that massive fallacy and a few others! She'd based her eating habits on her own, and others, emotional and random thinkings of what was right. The real world rarely works along the same lines.
Cooking does destroy some of the fragile vitamins in some food, but in other foods it breaks down compounds to make them more digestible or less poisonous. Over cooking vegetables completely destroys them, but a light stirfry increases taste without destroying too much goodness. A lot of the weight of vegetables is cellulose, and that'll never be broken down, so you've got to save what you can from them.
The best thing is to research it properly, and please use scientifically backed information. A lot of militant vegan sites ramble on about how all meat is bad, and British Butchers site will tell you it's essential. Neutral information must be available on the web somewhere.
I met a woman at a party recently who only ate raw food. Apparently she'd read, and believed, that cancer cells grow on cooked food, but can't grow on raw food. Once I'd picked myself off the ground we had an interesting conversation, where I corrected that massive fallacy and a few others! She'd based her eating habits on her own, and others, emotional and random thinkings of what was right. The real world rarely works along the same lines.
Cooking does destroy some of the fragile vitamins in some food, but in other foods it breaks down compounds to make them more digestible or less poisonous. Over cooking vegetables completely destroys them, but a light stirfry increases taste without destroying too much goodness. A lot of the weight of vegetables is cellulose, and that'll never be broken down, so you've got to save what you can from them.
The best thing is to research it properly, and please use scientifically backed information. A lot of militant vegan sites ramble on about how all meat is bad, and British Butchers site will tell you it's essential. Neutral information must be available on the web somewhere.
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Posted:
I feel that what you eat has a big impact on your overall wellbeing.......its just a shame that crap food tastes good ...I dont eat red meat or poultry and eat alot of lightly cooked veg but I would find it hard to stick to a diet of raw foods. I know a couple of people that do and they seem to radiate health. It would be wonderful to feel totally alive huh!!
I feel that what you eat has a big impact on your overall wellbeing.......its just a shame that crap food tastes good ...I dont eat red meat or poultry and eat alot of lightly cooked veg but I would find it hard to stick to a diet of raw foods. I know a couple of people that do and they seem to radiate health. It would be wonderful to feel totally alive huh!!
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Posted:
quote:Sorry, must add that these people also spend a lot of money on vit/minerals.
know a couple of people that do and they seem to radiate health.
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Posted:
Surely we have canines for a reason?...
MEAT! Eat it! it's good for you!
I'm biased though, I love all food. As long as it's not raw tomato or a crustation (apart from prawns) I'll eat it!!
MmmmMmMmMmmm.....muhnch....
Surely we have canines for a reason?...
MEAT! Eat it! it's good for you!
I'm biased though, I love all food. As long as it's not raw tomato or a crustation (apart from prawns) I'll eat it!!
MmmmMmMmMmmm.....muhnch....
Az abouve, So below...
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Posted:
I'm with DFQ on this one, we have teeth for cutting meat and we have teeth for crushing vegetables, we might as well use them both.
If you feel a certain diet works better for you though, then hey, you might as well follow it - it'd be better to not use a few of your teeth and feel great rather than use all of your teeth and feel crap.
I'm with DFQ on this one, we have teeth for cutting meat and we have teeth for crushing vegetables, we might as well use them both.
If you feel a certain diet works better for you though, then hey, you might as well follow it - it'd be better to not use a few of your teeth and feel great rather than use all of your teeth and feel crap.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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I gave up meat in August 2001. I had been living in California for five years and one thing you can't get there is a decent corned beef sandwich. This is a big deal for a Jewish boy from the Midwest.
So when I got back to Ann Arbor, although I had been eating less and less meat and was even eating at a vegetarian co-op, I went out and got myself a huge corned beef sandwich for dinner one night.
The next day was the first day of anatomy dissection. And imagine my surprise when I discovered that my cadaver's muscles looked exactly like last night's dinner. And, throughout the lab, what with standing on my feet and dissecting, I worked up an appetite, and what did I crave? You guessed it: corned beef!
On that day, I became a vegetarian. My rationale is more for health and ecology than anything else. But that was what pushed me over.
I have some rules, though.
1) I will eat fish at least once every 3 months because fish is really good for you and has some essential fatty acids that are tough to come by as a vegetarian. So I'm not a "true" vegetarian, I guess. It also gives me an "out" in a restaurant that has no vegetarian selection, but has some seafood.
2) If I am a guest in the house of a non-vegetarian who doesn't know that I am a vegetarian and that person serves me meat, I will enjoy the meat. After all, my goal is to cause the least amount of harm. Eating one meat meal will not hurt me, but refusing to eat it will offend my host. And if the meat is alreayd purchased, I'm not the consumer.
3) I will never try to convince anyone else to become a vegetarian. It is a very personal decision and not one I should be meddling in. Helping other vegetarians with nutrition is fine, but telling omnis to be veggis is annoying. I hated it when I was an omni, and due to my contrary personality, it probably stopped me from going veggi sooner.
4) I am not a vegetarian for animal rights reasons, although I feel that my decision is ethically simpler. However, because I strongly support animal research, and because I own a leather wallet that hasn't fallen apart despite years of abuse, I cannot argue that I am pro-animal rights. This is important because being a vegetarian for animal rights purposes would seriously complicate my life, which I don't need right now.
I gave up meat in August 2001. I had been living in California for five years and one thing you can't get there is a decent corned beef sandwich. This is a big deal for a Jewish boy from the Midwest.
So when I got back to Ann Arbor, although I had been eating less and less meat and was even eating at a vegetarian co-op, I went out and got myself a huge corned beef sandwich for dinner one night.
The next day was the first day of anatomy dissection. And imagine my surprise when I discovered that my cadaver's muscles looked exactly like last night's dinner. And, throughout the lab, what with standing on my feet and dissecting, I worked up an appetite, and what did I crave? You guessed it: corned beef!
On that day, I became a vegetarian. My rationale is more for health and ecology than anything else. But that was what pushed me over.
I have some rules, though.
1) I will eat fish at least once every 3 months because fish is really good for you and has some essential fatty acids that are tough to come by as a vegetarian. So I'm not a "true" vegetarian, I guess. It also gives me an "out" in a restaurant that has no vegetarian selection, but has some seafood.
2) If I am a guest in the house of a non-vegetarian who doesn't know that I am a vegetarian and that person serves me meat, I will enjoy the meat. After all, my goal is to cause the least amount of harm. Eating one meat meal will not hurt me, but refusing to eat it will offend my host. And if the meat is alreayd purchased, I'm not the consumer.
3) I will never try to convince anyone else to become a vegetarian. It is a very personal decision and not one I should be meddling in. Helping other vegetarians with nutrition is fine, but telling omnis to be veggis is annoying. I hated it when I was an omni, and due to my contrary personality, it probably stopped me from going veggi sooner.
4) I am not a vegetarian for animal rights reasons, although I feel that my decision is ethically simpler. However, because I strongly support animal research, and because I own a leather wallet that hasn't fallen apart despite years of abuse, I cannot argue that I am pro-animal rights. This is important because being a vegetarian for animal rights purposes would seriously complicate my life, which I don't need right now.
-Mike
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Location: Birmingham, Ala USA
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I haven't eaten meat since I was 11 years old (I'm 24 now.) I'm completely heathy. I'm not completely vegan, because I have this terrible cheese addiction, but I don't drink milk or eat any type of flesh.
Yes, you're right humans do have canine teeth, and naturally should eat meat. But meat is also contaiminated by all sorts of nasty stuff caused by improper farming practices. Hello, Mad Cow Disease ring a bell? Surprise! there is shit in your food, quite literally too.
A good book to read is called "Mad Cowboy," off the top of my head I can't remember what the author's name is but I'll post it later. This is a good reference because it was written by a former Texas feedlot farmer who is now vegan. He's a buisness man, a rancher, and is no where near as millitant as a lot of vegitarian "propeganda" out there. And he has a lot of good points and it's interesting to hear from someone who has been on both sides of the argument.
Sue Coe is a Printmaker/Painter/Photographer/Writer whom everyone should check out if they are interested in learning more about slaughter house proceedures. Sorry to ramble, this is kind of a raw nerve for me and I could go on and on and on...
I haven't eaten meat since I was 11 years old (I'm 24 now.) I'm completely heathy. I'm not completely vegan, because I have this terrible cheese addiction, but I don't drink milk or eat any type of flesh.
Yes, you're right humans do have canine teeth, and naturally should eat meat. But meat is also contaiminated by all sorts of nasty stuff caused by improper farming practices. Hello, Mad Cow Disease ring a bell? Surprise! there is shit in your food, quite literally too.
A good book to read is called "Mad Cowboy," off the top of my head I can't remember what the author's name is but I'll post it later. This is a good reference because it was written by a former Texas feedlot farmer who is now vegan. He's a buisness man, a rancher, and is no where near as millitant as a lot of vegitarian "propeganda" out there. And he has a lot of good points and it's interesting to hear from someone who has been on both sides of the argument.
Sue Coe is a Printmaker/Painter/Photographer/Writer whom everyone should check out if they are interested in learning more about slaughter house proceedures. Sorry to ramble, this is kind of a raw nerve for me and I could go on and on and on...
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Posted:
Definitely omnivore.
I'm a wanna-be pescatarian (Veg & seafood only). I haven't completely given up chicken, beef, pork, etc. but I don't eat a whole lot meat to begin with. Why? My mom is Japanese and I grew up eating mostly Japanese food. Lots of fish, lots of vegetables, rice, vegetable based foods like tofu, miso, etc.
I'd aspire to becoming vegetarian except for the fact that I LOVE sushi. I'll never be able to give that up.
Definitely omnivore.
I'm a wanna-be pescatarian (Veg & seafood only). I haven't completely given up chicken, beef, pork, etc. but I don't eat a whole lot meat to begin with. Why? My mom is Japanese and I grew up eating mostly Japanese food. Lots of fish, lots of vegetables, rice, vegetable based foods like tofu, miso, etc.
I'd aspire to becoming vegetarian except for the fact that I LOVE sushi. I'll never be able to give that up.
MuireannLearning, slowly but steadily learning....
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quote:Yup. That's me! Life without salmon is just not a life worth living, IMHO.
Originally posted by Muireann:
I'd aspire to becoming vegetarian except for the fact that I LOVE sushi. I'll never be able to give that up.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
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Posted:
Made me really glad that I don't eat beef.
quote:The New York Times Magazine had an article a few months back about the American beef industry and what a mess it is. These feed lots are a blight on the land, the cattle are fed a completely unnatural diet and the antibiotics are necessary to destroy the natural flora of their intestines so that they can digest the crud they're fed. A cow is not even a year old when it is taken to slaughter. The smell of these feed lots is legendary. By some calculations, if you eat a meat-centered diet, you actually save energy by driving somewhere rather than biking or walking because the energy required to produce the fuel for your body is so much greater than what it takes to run your car.
Originally posted by Celeste:
Yes, you're right humans do have canine teeth, and naturally should eat meat. But meat is also contaiminated by all sorts of nasty stuff caused by improper farming practices. Hello, Mad Cow Disease ring a bell? Surprise! there is shit in your food, quite literally too.
Made me really glad that I don't eat beef.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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MikeGinny,
"Certified Mad Scientist", eh? Are you really a scientist? My husband is a molecular biologist with experience in protein syntesis, protein structure, and biochemistry. Now he's really a certified mad scientist.
MikeGinny,
"Certified Mad Scientist", eh? Are you really a scientist? My husband is a molecular biologist with experience in protein syntesis, protein structure, and biochemistry. Now he's really a certified mad scientist.
MuireannLearning, slowly but steadily learning....
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Well, perhaps not mad, just a wheee bit vexed. And neurotic =)
But yeah, MikeGinny is in fact a scientist of sorts (blaph on med school ), and ironically enough has a graduate degree in Molecular biology. Molecular biologists kinda grow on trees out here....
-A.
Well, perhaps not mad, just a wheee bit vexed. And neurotic =)
But yeah, MikeGinny is in fact a scientist of sorts (blaph on med school ), and ironically enough has a graduate degree in Molecular biology. Molecular biologists kinda grow on trees out here....
-A.
Is that all life comes down to? To be lying face down with an overenthusiastic guy in pink pin-striped pants sitting on top of you and grunting? -- Random MusingsSex, Drugs and Psytrance.
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Are we there yet?
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Location: australia
Posted:
Nice to see people thinking about what they eat!!!
I've been vego for about the last 15 years, but I do eat meat that I catch and kill myself. As a fisho, I eat a fair few fish and crabs - there aren't too many pigs just wandering down George St waiting for me to catch them
My thinking is, if I am prepared to take the responsibility for eating meat, then I ought to have the gumption to catch it, kill it and honour it myself. Keeps me connected to the life cycles of the land....
Nice to see people thinking about what they eat!!!
I've been vego for about the last 15 years, but I do eat meat that I catch and kill myself. As a fisho, I eat a fair few fish and crabs - there aren't too many pigs just wandering down George St waiting for me to catch them
My thinking is, if I am prepared to take the responsibility for eating meat, then I ought to have the gumption to catch it, kill it and honour it myself. Keeps me connected to the life cycles of the land....
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We do not grow on trees. It is a known fact that molecular biologists, being incapable of sexual reproduction, reproduce through binary fission.
Yes, folks, at some point I will clone myself and there will be two of me walking around. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
We do not grow on trees. It is a known fact that molecular biologists, being incapable of sexual reproduction, reproduce through binary fission.
Yes, folks, at some point I will clone myself and there will be two of me walking around. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
-Mike
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Location: uk, devon
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Location: uk, devon
Posted:
I've been a vegy all my life. as weird as you probably think it is, ive never eaten meat in my life! except the odd occasion when my little friends decide to slip meat burgers in with the vegy stuff at BBQs!
ive got no problem with eating meat,its just that ive grown up with a family of vegetarians so im just used to it. will probably eat meat when i go travelling and have no other option! some places abroad do NOT cater for us vegeatbles! when i was on a skiing holiday in france my friends were presented with an amazing meaty meal, and i was given a bowl of PEAS! literaly!
don;t think its unhealthy not to eat meat or vice versa, as long as you are still getting the proteins etc you need from meat.but there are vegy subsitutes.
I've been a vegy all my life. as weird as you probably think it is, ive never eaten meat in my life! except the odd occasion when my little friends decide to slip meat burgers in with the vegy stuff at BBQs!
ive got no problem with eating meat,its just that ive grown up with a family of vegetarians so im just used to it. will probably eat meat when i go travelling and have no other option! some places abroad do NOT cater for us vegeatbles! when i was on a skiing holiday in france my friends were presented with an amazing meaty meal, and i was given a bowl of PEAS! literaly!
don;t think its unhealthy not to eat meat or vice versa, as long as you are still getting the proteins etc you need from meat.but there are vegy subsitutes.
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Posted:
I stopped eating meat about three years ago and have not eaten any dairy products for two years (and no vit pills either)but to me there is such a variety of foods out there that i think it's easy to be vege/vegan. it just takes a little bit of imagination.And if all else fails eat loads of potatoes.
There's so much shit in all of our fooodstuffs both fruit and veg and meat. And did you know that if a farmer cannot grow organic foods but can prove that s/he wanted to them to be. That produce can be branded organic at supermarkets and other shops! So there's no escaping whatever you choose to eat or not to eat your still going to be eating crap.
*feeling all pessimistic now*
So to me just eat what your comfortable with.
"Don't you just hate it when you follow through."
Said the squirrel
[ 10 August 2002, 00:53: Message edited by: tennis ]
I stopped eating meat about three years ago and have not eaten any dairy products for two years (and no vit pills either)but to me there is such a variety of foods out there that i think it's easy to be vege/vegan. it just takes a little bit of imagination.And if all else fails eat loads of potatoes.
There's so much shit in all of our fooodstuffs both fruit and veg and meat. And did you know that if a farmer cannot grow organic foods but can prove that s/he wanted to them to be. That produce can be branded organic at supermarkets and other shops! So there's no escaping whatever you choose to eat or not to eat your still going to be eating crap.
*feeling all pessimistic now*
So to me just eat what your comfortable with.
"Don't you just hate it when you follow through."
Said the squirrel
[ 10 August 2002, 00:53: Message edited by: tennis ]
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Hate to admit it, I just spent the night at a Spanish restaurant with some great friends. We ate red meat, seafood, chicken, vegetables, & grains in the form of bread and rice. We consumed massive amounts of wine. It was luxurious and wonderful.
I am not a vegetarian. But i respect the choices of others in doing what they do. I realise that in some respects my choice is like choosing to smoke, it can be bad for you but it feels good.
I am also a great believer in food hugs. This is about the nurturing aspect of food, and how it influences your moods. Whether your food hugs are nutella, lentil soup or a big steak, they are an important part in your health.
Hate to admit it, I just spent the night at a Spanish restaurant with some great friends. We ate red meat, seafood, chicken, vegetables, & grains in the form of bread and rice. We consumed massive amounts of wine. It was luxurious and wonderful.
I am not a vegetarian. But i respect the choices of others in doing what they do. I realise that in some respects my choice is like choosing to smoke, it can be bad for you but it feels good.
I am also a great believer in food hugs. This is about the nurturing aspect of food, and how it influences your moods. Whether your food hugs are nutella, lentil soup or a big steak, they are an important part in your health.
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I became Veggie about 3-4months ago...and I feel amazing. But this has also been incorporated with a total change over in diet-I avoid dairy as much as possible...plus I try and stick to fresh foods in asmuch as I can. There are so many reasons for my doing this:
1) The growth hormones fed to animals
2) The fear hormones that are released into the blood stream when the animal is killed-this leads to anxiety and anger in humans
3) The chemicals in all the foods that animals eat
4) It is a very inefficient use of the sun's energy when so many people are starving
5) Meat has a dulling effect on the mind & body
6) The quality of life animals have-they are born to be slaughtered...they never have a chance to live.
7) Ahimsa-meaning non-violence-a principle which I have recently learned but it seems to me that this must be the basis for all life if we are ever to achieve world peace or any kind of inner peace
These reasons are not to convince...just some info for anybody interested.
OM Shanti (Peace)
I became Veggie about 3-4months ago...and I feel amazing. But this has also been incorporated with a total change over in diet-I avoid dairy as much as possible...plus I try and stick to fresh foods in asmuch as I can. There are so many reasons for my doing this:
1) The growth hormones fed to animals
2) The fear hormones that are released into the blood stream when the animal is killed-this leads to anxiety and anger in humans
3) The chemicals in all the foods that animals eat
4) It is a very inefficient use of the sun's energy when so many people are starving
5) Meat has a dulling effect on the mind & body
6) The quality of life animals have-they are born to be slaughtered...they never have a chance to live.
7) Ahimsa-meaning non-violence-a principle which I have recently learned but it seems to me that this must be the basis for all life if we are ever to achieve world peace or any kind of inner peace
These reasons are not to convince...just some info for anybody interested.
OM Shanti (Peace)
Om Namah Sivaya
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I was lacto-veg for 3 years but craved and i mean craved meat the whole time so i gave it up. As soon as i did i went out and gorged on cheeseburgers till i was sick, then i pretty much stopped eating meat again I gave it up largely for ecological reasons after doing much self-motivated research into, as Mike calls it, the "blight on the land" that is caused by the commercial propagation and feeding of beef and various other food animals. Now I veeerrry rarely eat any meat except seafood but will give in when i really crave it because i think there must be a reason for it (iron deficiency? i even take iron pills). I love seafood though and will never give it up .... lobster is just too available here! mmmmmmm....lobster........
drool
drool
BTW, Mike, when you clone yourself can you please send one of you to CT? I would like to have an intelligent conversation with a man that doesn't involve a keyboard!
I was lacto-veg for 3 years but craved and i mean craved meat the whole time so i gave it up. As soon as i did i went out and gorged on cheeseburgers till i was sick, then i pretty much stopped eating meat again I gave it up largely for ecological reasons after doing much self-motivated research into, as Mike calls it, the "blight on the land" that is caused by the commercial propagation and feeding of beef and various other food animals. Now I veeerrry rarely eat any meat except seafood but will give in when i really crave it because i think there must be a reason for it (iron deficiency? i even take iron pills). I love seafood though and will never give it up .... lobster is just too available here! mmmmmmm....lobster........
drool
drool
BTW, Mike, when you clone yourself can you please send one of you to CT? I would like to have an intelligent conversation with a man that doesn't involve a keyboard!
"Dancing can reveal all the mystery that music conceals"
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Great. That's juuuust wonderful. She wants me for my mind...
quote:*sigh*
Originally posted by Nyx:
BTW, Mike, when you clone yourself can you please send one of you to CT? I would like to have an intelligent conversation with a man that doesn't involve a keyboard!
Great. That's juuuust wonderful. She wants me for my mind...
-Mike
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Awwww, Mike, you know what I mean!
Can't you stay just a day longer and come visit at Pozee's?
Awwww, Mike, you know what I mean!
Can't you stay just a day longer and come visit at Pozee's?
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If you care so much about what you take into your body FireMorph how come you smoke so many Marlboros?
Just a question. Not getting all preachy (sp?) about smoking. Not with the amount i used to smoke.
If you care so much about what you take into your body FireMorph how come you smoke so many Marlboros?
Just a question. Not getting all preachy (sp?) about smoking. Not with the amount i used to smoke.
Meh
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In fact, here in NoCal you can also get dairy that's certified free of hormones, etc.
Amusing trivia: sperm counts are wildly down in men living in the UK from a few decades away. The main hypothesis was the silly amount of estrogen-esque hormones in the water supply.
quote:The growth hormones, antibiotics etc are more than sufficient reason to at least reduce your meat intake, or if you live somewhere where its available, to eat only organicly raised animals.
Originally posted by SunSpot:
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4) It is a very inefficient use of the sun's energy when so many people are starving
Actually, people are starving not because of a lack of food, but because of distribution issues. There's a gross food surplus in a lot of countries...
5) Meat has a dulling effect on the mind & body
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Ummmm... Yeah. Everyone knows Einstien, Gauss, Newton, Watson, and every olympic athelete ever were vegetarians. *dripping sarcasm*
In fact, here in NoCal you can also get dairy that's certified free of hormones, etc.
Amusing trivia: sperm counts are wildly down in men living in the UK from a few decades away. The main hypothesis was the silly amount of estrogen-esque hormones in the water supply.
Is that all life comes down to? To be lying face down with an overenthusiastic guy in pink pin-striped pants sitting on top of you and grunting? -- Random MusingsSex, Drugs and Psytrance.
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Location: California
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Location: California
Posted:
I figure that animals chased our ancestors around for millions of years, its payback time. Not only that...they taste good.
mmmm....flesh....iz good
I figure that animals chased our ancestors around for millions of years, its payback time. Not only that...they taste good.
mmmm....flesh....iz good
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Location: Wellington, NZ
76 posts
Location: Wellington, NZ
Posted:
Well, my dad decided to only eat raw food a month or so again...
1: He sux at making salads which really aint good!
2: He is constently snacking on nuts etc.
3: He is soooo thin! He's lost so much weight!
4: He's mostly (his wording) felt better eating raw food.
5: He hates to call it a diet. (& that comment won't help u at all).
6: He is thinking about eating bread again though because he thinks he might be getting a little to thin and also he has spent years building up his chest and now hes losing it all!!
Lol....my eins cents.
Luv
Fwirl:p
Well, my dad decided to only eat raw food a month or so again...
1: He sux at making salads which really aint good!
2: He is constently snacking on nuts etc.
3: He is soooo thin! He's lost so much weight!
4: He's mostly (his wording) felt better eating raw food.
5: He hates to call it a diet. (& that comment won't help u at all).
6: He is thinking about eating bread again though because he thinks he might be getting a little to thin and also he has spent years building up his chest and now hes losing it all!!
Lol....my eins cents.
Luv
Fwirl:p
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Location: Canada, Ontario, Toronto
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Location: Canada, Ontario, Toronto
Posted:
AardvarkonAcid>>
Ummm...exactly what do olympic athletes' diets consist of prior to their events? ...and I'm pretty sure Einstein was not doing his best work after chowing down on a nice steak...my guess is he was taking a nap
AardvarkonAcid>>
Ummm...exactly what do olympic athletes' diets consist of prior to their events? ...and I'm pretty sure Einstein was not doing his best work after chowing down on a nice steak...my guess is he was taking a nap
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Location: plymouth/cardiff
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Location: plymouth/cardiff
Posted:
I had to a essay on this or my university degree, not about the health aspects but environmental, i learnt alot!! I can't really remember the exact figures, but it takes roughly 150kg of grain to feed the cow that will produce some 40kg of meat, to me this seems really wastefull to me which could have other wise been spent feeding the starving people around the world.
Not that i am tring to force people my view (i have been veggie since i was 14 when a friend died of mad cow disease) but it is worth thinking about, not only for your health concerns but others as well.
I had to a essay on this or my university degree, not about the health aspects but environmental, i learnt alot!! I can't really remember the exact figures, but it takes roughly 150kg of grain to feed the cow that will produce some 40kg of meat, to me this seems really wastefull to me which could have other wise been spent feeding the starving people around the world.
Not that i am tring to force people my view (i have been veggie since i was 14 when a friend died of mad cow disease) but it is worth thinking about, not only for your health concerns but others as well.
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92 posts
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
92 posts
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted:
The feeling of 'dullness' is more due to the quantity of food you eat and how fatty it is. No matter what it is, when you eat, blood flow will adjust itself away from your muscles and brain and towards your stomach. The more fatty food is the longer it sticks around in your digestive system and keeps blood down there (to put it simply). You aren't, in general, at your mental peak right after a meal of any variety.
quote:Depends on the sport. But most of the athletes in the endurance sports burn through an insane amount of protein. Its rather hard to get enough (in quantity and variety) from vegtables when you're on a 5k+ Calorie diet.
Originally posted by SunSpot:
AardvarkonAcid>>
Ummm...exactly what do olympic athletes' diets consist of prior to their events? ...and I'm pretty sure Einstein was not doing his best work after chowing down on a nice steak...my guess is he was taking a nap
The feeling of 'dullness' is more due to the quantity of food you eat and how fatty it is. No matter what it is, when you eat, blood flow will adjust itself away from your muscles and brain and towards your stomach. The more fatty food is the longer it sticks around in your digestive system and keeps blood down there (to put it simply). You aren't, in general, at your mental peak right after a meal of any variety.
Is that all life comes down to? To be lying face down with an overenthusiastic guy in pink pin-striped pants sitting on top of you and grunting? -- Random MusingsSex, Drugs and Psytrance.
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Location: Asheville, NC
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Location: Asheville, NC
Posted:
i'm almost entirely carnivore (apples once in a while, bread a lot)...mostly red meat and chicken. not much choice really...allergy to soy.
i'm almost entirely carnivore (apples once in a while, bread a lot)...mostly red meat and chicken. not much choice really...allergy to soy.
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