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*edit*
so i reckon this thread will hold a record of the new things and stuff im learning along the way, all input of any kind is welcome...
*edit*
*where was I? oh yeah here, The elbow, arm, arm elbow roll*
Its simple really, I cant do it.
I've seen some real nice clips of this move (Thankyou MCP/Glass) but I still seem to be missing somthing fundamental.
So I take the staff in my right hand, bring it accross my body under my extended left elbow and roll. extend left arm and let staff roll onto right arm. Bring staff back towards body on right arm
Now here is the problem, it just stops working there, I think i might be missing an extra beat/spin or something. Or it it could be the position of my wrist. Dont ask me what my wrist is doin, it goes all wonky in a natural reaction to the feeling of the staff falling off when i start bending my right arm on the way back in,
Any ideas?
If I can get this I'll move onto to trying to combine it with a shoulder rool and a turn to get it across my back and other shoulder.
I'm hoping to put up a clip soon, not of what i cant do but of what I can, after six months it's be cool to get some HOP feedback.
*edit*
so i reckon this thread will hold a record of the new things and stuff im learning along the way, all input of any kind is welcome...
*edit*
*where was I? oh yeah here, The elbow, arm, arm elbow roll*
Its simple really, I cant do it.
I've seen some real nice clips of this move (Thankyou MCP/Glass) but I still seem to be missing somthing fundamental.
So I take the staff in my right hand, bring it accross my body under my extended left elbow and roll. extend left arm and let staff roll onto right arm. Bring staff back towards body on right arm
Now here is the problem, it just stops working there, I think i might be missing an extra beat/spin or something. Or it it could be the position of my wrist. Dont ask me what my wrist is doin, it goes all wonky in a natural reaction to the feeling of the staff falling off when i start bending my right arm on the way back in,
Any ideas?
If I can get this I'll move onto to trying to combine it with a shoulder rool and a turn to get it across my back and other shoulder.
I'm hoping to put up a clip soon, not of what i cant do but of what I can, after six months it's be cool to get some HOP feedback.
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told you it would
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Stupid
!! The only think its making me do is 
off the walls. i understand it, just cant get it.
Stupid
!! The only think its making me do is off the walls. i understand it, just cant get it. Grow old but never grow up
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I found the hardest part was keeping my palm flat and fingers back
resist the urge to turn your hand to keep the staff on
RESIST!!!!
nice big slow exagerated movements
we'll play more on the weekend.
I found the hardest part was keeping my palm flat and fingers back
resist the urge to turn your hand to keep the staff on
RESIST!!!!
nice big slow exagerated movements
we'll play more on the weekend.
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Posted:
but if you say ado, you actually pronounce it right, whereas saying adop and adoo-p are both wrong. (supposedly.)
I think I'll just call you adobe.
Is this a fishtail thread now?
I can't find a nice way to do inverted fishtails. Mo-seph help.
but if you say ado, you actually pronounce it right, whereas saying adop and adoo-p are both wrong. (supposedly.)
I think I'll just call you adobe.
Is this a fishtail thread now?
I can't find a nice way to do inverted fishtails. Mo-seph help.
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This is a learning place
I seem to have learned alot about my name though
dec... you know the scots pronounce your name feerteene
enough sillinees
what is an inverted fishtail? did you show me these? too much stuff in my head...
will you make a video of your devil stick traps?
This is a learning place
I seem to have learned alot about my name though
dec... you know the scots pronounce your name feerteene
enough sillinees
what is an inverted fishtail? did you show me these? too much stuff in my head...
will you make a video of your devil stick traps?
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must build up will power. I can do it!!
Ado-p how exactly are you pronoucing your name?
Cause im living in dublin near skangerville it would be aidooooooooohh P
must build up will power. I can do it!!
Ado-p how exactly are you pronoucing your name?
Cause im living in dublin near skangerville it would be aidooooooooohh P
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You really don't have any work to do at work do you?
I won't no. I have to do work at uni.
But I will tell you this: inverted fishtails are fishtails in "negative space", ie with your arm curled over the staff and your hand inward, so your fishtailing at your hip. It's one part of a 3 beat fishtail. Ben does a short inverted fishtail in his video, methinks. But then he is obsessed.
can you change your name to ado-b?
You really don't have any work to do at work do you?
I won't no. I have to do work at uni.
But I will tell you this: inverted fishtails are fishtails in "negative space", ie with your arm curled over the staff and your hand inward, so your fishtailing at your hip. It's one part of a 3 beat fishtail. Ben does a short inverted fishtail in his video, methinks. But then he is obsessed.
can you change your name to ado-b?
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smacks declan
smack for meg too.... no
moseph showed me three beat fishtails. they are lovely and hard as.
I have loads to do but i've learned to multi task using alt+tab
for everyone
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enough sillinees
smack for meg too.... no
moseph showed me three beat fishtails. they are lovely and hard as.
I have loads to do but i've learned to multi task using alt+tab
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Mcp if your talking to me about work... yes i do Im just not doing it cause somebody else probably has it done so i will steal there work and give it in as my own.
Scots, gotta love the accent.
I think i now what you mean by inverted fishtails but sounds like you need to be bendy!
Mcp if your talking to me about work... yes i do Im just not doing it cause somebody else probably has it done so i will steal there work and give it in as my own.
Scots, gotta love the accent.
I think i now what you mean by inverted fishtails but sounds like you need to be bendy! Grow old but never grow up
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Not really so bendy
You can already do half of it...
Its the same thing as when you trap it on the back of your hand (back of hand, over forearm, under bicep) and stop it or carry it to the other side... we were playing with these in juggling at trinity on tuesday night...
but it comes back out into a fishtail... the other half is a mystery to me though
hurry up and get to cork....
Not really so bendy
You can already do half of it...
Its the same thing as when you trap it on the back of your hand (back of hand, over forearm, under bicep) and stop it or carry it to the other side... we were playing with these in juggling at trinity on tuesday night...
but it comes back out into a fishtail... the other half is a mystery to me though
hurry up and get to cork....
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yeah i was thinking thats what it was. by our powers combined we can work it out at the weekend.
Really ticked off i have to go to this conference thing.was planning on spending whole weekend down there and they put this on me last minute.
yeah i was thinking thats what it was. by our powers combined we can work it out at the weekend.
Really ticked off i have to go to this conference thing.was planning on spending whole weekend down there and they put this on me last minute.
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the promised video of chi fish is rendering as i type uploading in 5 mins its all a bit unperfect so meg you best not watch it
the promised video of chi fish is rendering as i type uploading in 5 mins
its all a bit unperfect so meg you best not watch it Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
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Meg wont like to see the staff hit the floor.
I on the other hand thought it was pretty cool. keep'em coming. The parallel snes is pretty sweet.
Meg wont like to see the staff hit the floor.
I on the other hand thought it was pretty cool. keep'em coming. The parallel snes is pretty sweet.
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a-dopey
by the way Feartine, the scots pronounce your name arseways too
feeeerteeeeen i beleive...
oh hang on, what am i talking about? there are no scots in edinburgh, at least none with scottish accents....
a-dopey by the way Feartine, the scots pronounce your name arseways too
feeeerteeeeen i beleive...
oh hang on, what am i talking about? there are no scots in edinburgh, at least none with scottish accents....
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ben...i had a play with the chi ball fish's, its fun, if a lil difficult, havent got the hang of moving my feet with it yet, damn kung fou being canciled this week
have you tried transfering the staff from hand to hand? (by way of flipping the ball)
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ben...i had a play with the chi ball fish's, its fun, if a lil difficult, havent got the hang of moving my feet with it yet, damn kung fou being canciled this week
have you tried transfering the staff from hand to hand? (by way of flipping the ball)
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from what I remember you and ado (PEA) were saing feeeerteeeeen too!
cheeky so and sos
and meghan sounds scottish, just a bit posh
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by the way Feartine, the scots pronounce your name arseways too
feeeerteeeeen i beleive...
oh hang on, what am i talking about? there are no scots in edinburgh, at least none with scottish accents....
from what I remember you and ado (PEA) were saing feeeerteeeeen too!
cheeky so and sos
and meghan sounds scottish, just a bit posh
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my poor name has been mangled, but in a cute way so i wont withhold any raisins just yet
ironically enough its declans own fault because he forget the - in the middle of the two words
and
your all fired
more staffage please
my poor name has been mangled, but in a cute way so i wont withhold any raisins just yet
ironically enough its declans own fault because he forget the - in the middle of the two words
and
your all fired
more staffage please
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ado are you on the glasto fourums....?
if so is your name there pea? or am i gettin confused.......and STAY ON TOPIC
ado are you on the glasto fourums....?
if so is your name there pea? or am i gettin confused.......and STAY ON TOPIC
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negatory
i only have one job and therefore only enough time for one addiction
negatory
i only have one job and therefore only enough time for one addiction
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chi balls are cool. They forced me to learn my MOST pointless fishtail yet. Fishtails on the other side of your wrist. (the underside!) How much more pointless can fishtails get? Yay!
I did try elbow fishtails in my room, but I distroyed stuff so I stopped.
Tomorrow I will try moving fishtails up my arm and see what happens.
Fun fun fun.
chi balls are cool. They forced me to learn my MOST pointless fishtail yet. Fishtails on the other side of your wrist. (the underside!) How much more pointless can fishtails get? Yay!
I did try elbow fishtails in my room, but I distroyed stuff so I stopped.
Tomorrow I will try moving fishtails up my arm and see what happens.
Fun fun fun.
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u mean like an angel roll .....
chi is the way forward i had a bit more of a play with it tonight expanding and contracting the ball to unlock my shoulders a bit ill post a new vid to replace the one up there in a couple of days me thinks
u mean like an angel roll .....
chi is the way forward i had a bit more of a play with it tonight expanding and contracting the ball to unlock my shoulders a bit ill post a new vid to replace the one up there in a couple of days me thinks
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isnt an angel roll just the first half of a reverse fishtail into a halo and so on....
i hope so coz thats how im trying to learn it
its damned hard too
mcp is the staff on top of one arm and just contacting the under of the over arm?
isnt an angel roll just the first half of a reverse fishtail into a halo and so on....
i hope so coz thats how im trying to learn it
its damned hard too
mcp is the staff on top of one arm and just contacting the under of the over arm?
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i thought that was what you ment by inverted at first. gonna play with chi lots this weekend. maybe try sicky hands tai chi with it as well.
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chi balls are cool. They forced me to learn my MOST pointless fishtail yet. Fishtails on the other side of your wrist. (the underside!) How much more pointless can fishtails get? Yay!
Fun fun fun.
i thought that was what you ment by inverted at first. gonna play with chi lots this weekend. maybe try sicky hands tai chi with it as well.
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angel rolls are easy if u understand the arm movement basically u start with the staff infront of you rolling over the back of your hand from little finger to thumb and lift your arm up (makes it roll down your arm) and bring it from infront of your body to behind (this gives your arm a nice surface to roll over kind of like a whole arm fishtail in concept with moving the surface for the staff to roll over so it doesnt roll off) then do the reverse movement as your arm comes out. you can do it from a fishtail but its easier to start from static. to get into it from fishtail u sort of change direction half way from the front to back.
angel rolls are easy if u understand the arm movement basically u start with the staff infront of you rolling over the back of your hand from little finger to thumb and lift your arm up (makes it roll down your arm) and bring it from infront of your body to behind (this gives your arm a nice surface to roll over kind of like a whole arm fishtail in concept with moving the surface for the staff to roll over so it doesnt roll off) then do the reverse movement as your arm comes out. you can do it from a fishtail but its easier to start from static. to get into it from fishtail u sort of change direction half way from the front to back.
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nice one ben.
i been having trouble with exactly the arm movment you described there.
play later
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nice one ben.
i been having trouble with exactly the arm movment you described there.
play later
:glee:
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No, I mean doing a fishtail with the underside of your wrist. Like with your palm up. Like upsidedown fishtails. (But they're not upsidedown, they're just with your arm upsidedown)
When I say elbow's I mean baton twirler style.
When i say moving the fishtail up my arm, I mean doing a fishtail on the forearm, arm straight. So ie, you start on the wrist, and move it up your arm. Like doing a devilstick propellor with your hand, then moving it up your arm, by pushing your arm through it and doing the propellor on your forearm to elbow to upperarm (if you can) to shoulder. At which point, a vertical matrix becomes a possiblity.
Hmmmm vertical matrix.
No, I mean doing a fishtail with the underside of your wrist. Like with your palm up. Like upsidedown fishtails. (But they're not upsidedown, they're just with your arm upsidedown)
When I say elbow's I mean baton twirler style.
When i say moving the fishtail up my arm, I mean doing a fishtail on the forearm, arm straight. So ie, you start on the wrist, and move it up your arm. Like doing a devilstick propellor with your hand, then moving it up your arm, by pushing your arm through it and doing the propellor on your forearm to elbow to upperarm (if you can) to shoulder. At which point, a vertical matrix becomes a possiblity.
Hmmmm vertical matrix.
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possible yes stupidly hard though, trying to do a propeller near your shoulder is really hard as its difficult to get the movement to maintain the motion due to the size of the movement required from an area with little displacement motion available, let me know how to do it once u get it this is now your challenge, suceed and they will sing your name in folk songs, fail and u will go to the firey pit of hell
i expect a video once u get this stuff miss megan
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possible yes stupidly hard though, trying to do a propeller near your shoulder is really hard as its difficult to get the movement to maintain the motion due to the size of the movement required from an area with little displacement motion available, let me know how to do it once u get it this is now your challenge, suceed and they will sing your name in folk songs, fail and u will go to the firey pit of hell
i expect a video once u get this stuff miss megan
lavatwlight im still awaiting a certain file
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got the first half of the angel
found a nice change of direction
came about while i was playing about with knoxious elbow traps and the continious wrist elbow wrap
i've been playing with the elbow wrap starting on my right arm spinning clockwise
instead of doing a normal wrap... when it wraps my hand im bending my hand back so my fingers are pointing up and then lifting my forearm in more of an upwards motion rather than back so the staff rolls down my forearm. its just a small varation but it makes for easy stall at the end of the forearm roll. i let it go behind my head and roll over my opposite shoulder in the opposite direction
not hard at all but it feels nice
got some more 360 fishtails on my right arm too
and a two beat fishtail. moseph showed me this but i cant remember where the third beat is
damn i love fishtails
plane change
inspired by bluecat
spinning horizontal
stop the staff at the bottom of a steve/neck wrap so its trapped between the back of your neck and the front of your shoulder
lean back a little and lift the staff with the shoulder its resting on, tilt back your head and turn your body a little so the staff rolls slowly across the front of your neck
and now that im paying attention to my feet i managed a full halo snes halo
for mcp
got the first half of the angel
found a nice change of direction
came about while i was playing about with knoxious elbow traps and the continious wrist elbow wrap
i've been playing with the elbow wrap starting on my right arm spinning clockwise
instead of doing a normal wrap... when it wraps my hand im bending my hand back so my fingers are pointing up and then lifting my forearm in more of an upwards motion rather than back so the staff rolls down my forearm. its just a small varation but it makes for easy stall at the end of the forearm roll. i let it go behind my head and roll over my opposite shoulder in the opposite direction
not hard at all but it feels nice
got some more 360 fishtails on my right arm too
and a two beat fishtail. moseph showed me this but i cant remember where the third beat is
damn i love fishtails
plane change
inspired by bluecat
spinning horizontal
stop the staff at the bottom of a steve/neck wrap so its trapped between the back of your neck and the front of your shoulder
lean back a little and lift the staff with the shoulder its resting on, tilt back your head and turn your body a little so the staff rolls slowly across the front of your neck
and now that im paying attention to my feet i managed a full halo snes halo
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ben i gotta edit the vid first, and ive learnt a few more things i wanna put on it, so wate till sunday (monday mornig for you) and it shoud be up.
how do you get more beats outta a fishy? Video please
i'll try your challenge, but i doubt i'll sucseed (SP)
ben i gotta edit the vid first, and ive learnt a few more things i wanna put on it, so wate till sunday (monday mornig for you) and it shoud be up.
how do you get more beats outta a fishy? Video please
i'll try your challenge, but i doubt i'll sucseed (SP)
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Ado-p got your mail.sweet dude. And i take fully responsiblity for forgetting the - in my name.i was rushing to get on the site.
Lots of rolling going on here. Been messing around with a horizontal elbow-wrist-wrist-elbow wrap but looking for a good way to come out of it.any suggestions?
Ado-p got your mail.sweet dude. And i take fully responsiblity for forgetting the - in my name.i was rushing to get on the site.
Lots of rolling going on here. Been messing around with a horizontal elbow-wrist-wrist-elbow wrap but looking for a good way to come out of it.any suggestions?
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