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I have a little story. Would you care to humour me? thankyou. On the news this morning i heard that in a national survey 68% of teenagers said they thought Cannabis should'nt be legalised.'Hmm,' i thought 'How interesting, thats the biggest pile of b******s i've ever heard,'. So i went about my day, finishing my article on fire spinning
and so on, and then i settle down to watch Richard & Judy, quality broadcasting i know, and they're discussing teenage sex. Queue clips of a load of STD-ridden Kevs saying 'I fink wot is ah good Idea is not avin sex cos i've bin prompted to say dat' and so on. But then the big man Rich says 'According to the results of a survey released today blahblahblah by the readers of Bliss magazine.'
BLISS MAGAZINE?
The national press is taking the opinions of the 13 year old girl readers of Bliss magazine as representative of the rest of the teenage population!
Who wants to help me spam the b******'s website?
I have a little story. Would you care to humour me? thankyou. On the news this morning i heard that in a national survey 68% of teenagers said they thought Cannabis should'nt be legalised.'Hmm,' i thought 'How interesting, thats the biggest pile of b******s i've ever heard,'. So i went about my day, finishing my article on fire spinning
and so on, and then i settle down to watch Richard & Judy, quality broadcasting i know, and they're discussing teenage sex. Queue clips of a load of STD-ridden Kevs saying 'I fink wot is ah good Idea is not avin sex cos i've bin prompted to say dat' and so on. But then the big man Rich says 'According to the results of a survey released today blahblahblah by the readers of Bliss magazine.'BLISS MAGAZINE?
The national press is taking the opinions of the 13 year old girl readers of Bliss magazine as representative of the rest of the teenage population!
Who wants to help me spam the b******'s website?
You can always spot the moral victor.
They're the one bleeding on the ground.
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Mon the Biffy.
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Quality mate.
But to be honest thats the reason i dont watch T.V. For crap like that. Sometimes its funny but most of the time its just sad. You wanna be watching Extreme sports!! Now theres some crazy a$$ stuff.
Quality mate.But to be honest thats the reason i dont watch T.V. For crap like that. Sometimes its funny but most of the time its just sad. You wanna be watching Extreme sports!! Now theres some crazy a$$ stuff.
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It's propaganda; through and through.. More amazing is the report quashed by the World Health Organisation regarding the health effects of smoking Cannabis
It is 1998 mind but more can be read here
What amazes me is the front page stories hitting the mail regarding "cannabis psychosis" but at the same time, a FAAARRR more prevalent problem is Korsakoffs psychosis, Wenickes encephalopathy (&alcoholism); All produced my a nice safe legal taxable drug
!!
Rant fin
It's propaganda; through and through.. More amazing is the report quashed by the World Health Organisation regarding the health effects of smoking Cannabis
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According to a document leaked to New Scientist, the analysis concludes not only that the amount of dope smoked worldwide does less harm to public health than drink and cigarettes, but that the same is likely to hold true even if people consumed dope on the same scale as these legal substances
It is 1998 mind but more can be read here
What amazes me is the front page stories hitting the mail regarding "cannabis psychosis" but at the same time, a FAAARRR more prevalent problem is Korsakoffs psychosis, Wenickes encephalopathy (&alcoholism); All produced my a nice safe legal taxable drug
!!Rant fin
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Posted:
Let's remember though that being less damaging than alcohol and cigerettes isn't really saying much given that cigarettes are currently responsible for 4,000,000 deaths wordwide and alcohol problems have, and contiue to destroy millions of individuals and families.
Government inspired anti-cannabis propaganda is indeed rife, but so is the pro-cannabis propaganda that associates it, especially in the minds of the young, with being cool, liberated, free thinking etc, with no regard or acknowledgement for its very real potential harmful effects on the mind and body, and the high numbers of people who have had their lives seriously damaged by cannabis.
I can say from real (and harsh experience) that when you're in the middle of cannabis usage it can seem that everyone is well into it apart from the government and their lackeys.
Having crawled out of that dark pit some years ago I am aware that there are a lot of people who are totally not into using the stuff. Maybe for some of them it's because of scare stories etc, but, for many it's because they are quite simply well adjusted individuals who are happy with their minds the way they are and who have seen for themselves the possible consequences of drug use, whether it be cannabis, alchohol, nicontine, E or heroin.
We're human beings, we all have the potential to understand our own minds and aspire to a state where we can accept, and truly enjoy, life as it is, without need for any mood/mind altering chemicals.
Yet we live in a world where the absurd and unnecessary 'cull' of millions of human beings destroyed by drug use continues unhindered.
Let's remember though that being less damaging than alcohol and cigerettes isn't really saying much given that cigarettes are currently responsible for 4,000,000 deaths wordwide and alcohol problems have, and contiue to destroy millions of individuals and families.
Government inspired anti-cannabis propaganda is indeed rife, but so is the pro-cannabis propaganda that associates it, especially in the minds of the young, with being cool, liberated, free thinking etc, with no regard or acknowledgement for its very real potential harmful effects on the mind and body, and the high numbers of people who have had their lives seriously damaged by cannabis.
I can say from real (and harsh experience) that when you're in the middle of cannabis usage it can seem that everyone is well into it apart from the government and their lackeys.
Having crawled out of that dark pit some years ago I am aware that there are a lot of people who are totally not into using the stuff. Maybe for some of them it's because of scare stories etc, but, for many it's because they are quite simply well adjusted individuals who are happy with their minds the way they are and who have seen for themselves the possible consequences of drug use, whether it be cannabis, alchohol, nicontine, E or heroin.
We're human beings, we all have the potential to understand our own minds and aspire to a state where we can accept, and truly enjoy, life as it is, without need for any mood/mind altering chemicals.
Yet we live in a world where the absurd and unnecessary 'cull' of millions of human beings destroyed by drug use continues unhindered.
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hehe, yeah i think its totally rediculous that they are reporting that it encompases the whole teenage population of britan. but id just like to say that i think its pretty cool that the kids that did do the survey have answered in that way ... i personnaly have never seen anything good come from any drug use .. im not preaching 'no drugs' blah blah blah .. in my opinion its your life do whatever you please .. but i dint think we should promote its use, wrapping it up and making it look like the cool thing to do (which to alot of people it is seen as) .. i just hope those kids dont feel pressured into it at a later date.
watching being the operative word ay warchild
hehe, yeah i think its totally rediculous that they are reporting that it encompases the whole teenage population of britan. but id just like to say that i think its pretty cool that the kids that did do the survey have answered in that way ... i personnaly have never seen anything good come from any drug use .. im not preaching 'no drugs' blah blah blah .. in my opinion its your life do whatever you please .. but i dint think we should promote its use, wrapping it up and making it look like the cool thing to do (which to alot of people it is seen as) .. i just hope those kids dont feel pressured into it at a later date.
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Posted:
i've heard you use this argument before dave.
i agree to a large extent, especially with "when you're in the middle of cannabis usage it can seem that everyone is well into it apart from the government and their lackeys" which i have heard many a stoner spout ('90% of the country is smoking man!'
) and that many people don't take drugs because "they are quite simply well adjusted individuals who are happy with their minds the way they are".
there is also a large section (including yourself i'd venture) that has tried drugs and has either decided they are not for them or (unfortunately) have been forced to distance themselves from them because of a drug related problem.
however i don't think this statement is very fair:
"We're human beings, we all have the potential to understand our own minds and aspire to a state where we can accept, and truly enjoy, life as it is, without need for any mood/mind altering chemicals."
the choice of words here suggests that life without recreational drug use is somehow more noble, more 'correct'.
no offence intended, but i i find this a little bit preachy.
the choices you have made may well have led you to find that this is true for you but i do not "aspire to a state where we can accept, and truly enjoy, life as it is, without need for any mood/mind altering chemicals".
i do not feel this 'need' at all and as such i don't plan to stop using certain drugs - not every drug user has a drug problem which is how you seem to view the situation?
hmmm, how did we get even get onto this?!
weren't we talking about statistics...?
i've heard you use this argument before dave.
i agree to a large extent, especially with "when you're in the middle of cannabis usage it can seem that everyone is well into it apart from the government and their lackeys" which i have heard many a stoner spout ('90% of the country is smoking man!'
) and that many people don't take drugs because "they are quite simply well adjusted individuals who are happy with their minds the way they are".there is also a large section (including yourself i'd venture) that has tried drugs and has either decided they are not for them or (unfortunately) have been forced to distance themselves from them because of a drug related problem.
however i don't think this statement is very fair:
"We're human beings, we all have the potential to understand our own minds and aspire to a state where we can accept, and truly enjoy, life as it is, without need for any mood/mind altering chemicals."
the choice of words here suggests that life without recreational drug use is somehow more noble, more 'correct'.
no offence intended, but i i find this a little bit preachy.
the choices you have made may well have led you to find that this is true for you but i do not "aspire to a state where we can accept, and truly enjoy, life as it is, without need for any mood/mind altering chemicals".
i do not feel this 'need' at all and as such i don't plan to stop using certain drugs - not every drug user has a drug problem which is how you seem to view the situation?
hmmm, how did we get even get onto this?!
weren't we talking about statistics...?
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Posted:
i agree -i am an extremely happy and well ajusted person n a stabl relationship, doing well at college, etc. etc. pretty mucha model person i'd say!!! but i choose to smoke dope and stuff for exctly the same reason i choose to do poi, or to continue to go to university every day or any of hundreds of other things i do every day - i like doing it! it's fun, i do it in a social situation with friends, i don't make other people do it or 'advertise' n any way, i simply partake in an occupation i find enjoyable.
ovbiously i accept that people have drug problems, and people make bad lifestlye choices for themselves sometimes - but you know some people have relly bad addictions that aren't on drugs (attention, security problems, eating, shopping). I think a lot gets blamed on a herb which takes the emphasis off other problems like isolation, family problems, you name it really.
i agree -i am an extremely happy and well ajusted person n a stabl relationship, doing well at college, etc. etc. pretty mucha model person i'd say!!!
but i choose to smoke dope and stuff for exctly the same reason i choose to do poi, or to continue to go to university every day or any of hundreds of other things i do every day - i like doing it! it's fun, i do it in a social situation with friends, i don't make other people do it or 'advertise' n any way, i simply partake in an occupation i find enjoyable.ovbiously i accept that people have drug problems, and people make bad lifestlye choices for themselves sometimes - but you know some people have relly bad addictions that aren't on drugs (attention, security problems, eating, shopping). I think a lot gets blamed on a herb which takes the emphasis off other problems like isolation, family problems, you name it really.
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Posted:
I hear what you're both saying, and those are common beliefs which I used to hold myself.
My first couple of years of recreational drug use seemed really nice and I guess a lot of young people go through the same thing.
In hindsight most of the good that I thought came from cannabis was illusory. I accept that it may be possible to be more well adjusted and happy whilst using cannabis than by not using it; it's just that in my experience I've yet to encounter such an individual.
I've known a lot of people who thought they were benefiting from cannabis, in my judgemnet they were deluded.
Call me arrogant (I certainly would have done a few years ago) but ultimately we have to make our own judgemnets based on years of experience. I don't make judgements lightly because I know how easy it is to be wrong; there are many issues on which I don't formulate an opinion for that reason.
An example is whether cannabis should be legal- I have no opinion because I don't know if the consequences of legal cannabis would be better than those of it staying prohibited.
However, on the subject of whether it is a good idea to use cannabis, I have no option other than to say no.
All I have seen, having been a long term user for over ten years and mixed with a great number of smokers, is that where there is cannabis, there is delusion, wasted potential and, in some cases, mental illness.
Escaping from it four years ago was the best thing I've ever done.
Lastly, in a era when the Western world is finally getting a grip on the nicotine situation, in that it is increasingly being seen as a weakness rather than 'cool' and is no longer acceptable in many public spaces; cannabis use is helping to perpetuate tobaccos grip. Cigarettes kill not only more people than all other drugs put together, but, apparently, they are the single biggest avoidable cause of death in the West (WHO stats put the toll at 4,000,000 annualy).
I suspect that many young people who have far more sense than to dabble with cigarettes, will be sucked in by smoking tobacco laden spliffs.
I hear what you're both saying, and those are common beliefs which I used to hold myself.
My first couple of years of recreational drug use seemed really nice and I guess a lot of young people go through the same thing.
In hindsight most of the good that I thought came from cannabis was illusory. I accept that it may be possible to be more well adjusted and happy whilst using cannabis than by not using it; it's just that in my experience I've yet to encounter such an individual.
I've known a lot of people who thought they were benefiting from cannabis, in my judgemnet they were deluded.
Call me arrogant (I certainly would have done a few years ago) but ultimately we have to make our own judgemnets based on years of experience. I don't make judgements lightly because I know how easy it is to be wrong; there are many issues on which I don't formulate an opinion for that reason.
An example is whether cannabis should be legal- I have no opinion because I don't know if the consequences of legal cannabis would be better than those of it staying prohibited.
However, on the subject of whether it is a good idea to use cannabis, I have no option other than to say no.
All I have seen, having been a long term user for over ten years and mixed with a great number of smokers, is that where there is cannabis, there is delusion, wasted potential and, in some cases, mental illness.
Escaping from it four years ago was the best thing I've ever done.
Lastly, in a era when the Western world is finally getting a grip on the nicotine situation, in that it is increasingly being seen as a weakness rather than 'cool' and is no longer acceptable in many public spaces; cannabis use is helping to perpetuate tobaccos grip. Cigarettes kill not only more people than all other drugs put together, but, apparently, they are the single biggest avoidable cause of death in the West (WHO stats put the toll at 4,000,000 annualy).
I suspect that many young people who have far more sense than to dabble with cigarettes, will be sucked in by smoking tobacco laden spliffs.
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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thats true.
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I suspect that many young people who have far more sense than to dabble with cigarettes, will be sucked in by smoking tobacco laden spliffs
thats true.
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They shouldn't do that no no no
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Something I've noticed about drugs policy in Europe and North America is firstly how random it is, esp. with marijuana. Very few people think of drinking alcohol as "drug abuse/misuse", which, face it, it often is (especially in the UK). Alcohol is involved in so many violent crimes, domestic abuse, etc., but the government makes a large amount of tax on alcohol, which seems to be greater than the costs to the NHS for treatment, and it doesn't want to lose this. (Although things are slowly changing.) Somehow the government's and many people's attitude to marijuana is completely different - it makes no sense. Smoking a joint is harmful to your lungs, but so is tobacco, and marijuana is less addictive. Alcohol is harmful in so many ways its impossible to count. I just don't think it makes sense for one to be legal and the other not. It'd be interesting to have a HOP poll to see if people here have different views from "normal" (?) people! 
Something I've noticed about drugs policy in Europe and North America is firstly how random it is, esp. with marijuana. Very few people think of drinking alcohol as "drug abuse/misuse", which, face it, it often is (especially in the UK). Alcohol is involved in so many violent crimes, domestic abuse, etc., but the government makes a large amount of tax on alcohol, which seems to be greater than the costs to the NHS for treatment, and it doesn't want to lose this. (Although things are slowly changing.) Somehow the government's and many people's attitude to marijuana is completely different - it makes no sense. Smoking a joint is harmful to your lungs, but so is tobacco, and marijuana is less addictive. Alcohol is harmful in so many ways its impossible to count. I just don't think it makes sense for one to be legal and the other not. It'd be interesting to have a HOP poll to see if people here have different views from "normal" (?) people!
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If they did the survey at my school they would prolly be like only 2 people against the lagalisation of cannibis! I'd say around 2/3 of the pupils are stoners, or have have smoked weed at least once, and I know plenty of others that are into much harder drugs.
Personally, I don't need it!. I can have a great time without any stimulants. and the only time people smoke it round here is at party's, but whats the point? I go to a party to have fun, not to sit there slumped in a chair and go
'I'm stoned'
'.....yeh me too'
But each to their own i guess.
Has any one heard the song by the streets? I can't remember the name of it, and I won't go into the ins and outs of it but its basically saying that a bunch of peopel who smoke weed sitting at home making bongs from their enginering degree are doing much less harm than largers louts out in the streets every weekend....
EDITED_BY: x_aimee_x (1079128935)
If they did the survey at my school they would prolly be like only 2 people against the lagalisation of cannibis! I'd say around 2/3 of the pupils are stoners, or have have smoked weed at least once, and I know plenty of others that are into much harder drugs.
Personally, I don't need it!. I can have a great time without any stimulants. and the only time people smoke it round here is at party's, but whats the point? I go to a party to have fun, not to sit there slumped in a chair and go
'I'm stoned'
'.....yeh me too'
But each to their own i guess.
Has any one heard the song by the streets? I can't remember the name of it, and I won't go into the ins and outs of it but its basically saying that a bunch of peopel who smoke weed sitting at home making bongs from their enginering degree are doing much less harm than largers louts out in the streets every weekend....
EDITED_BY: x_aimee_x (1079128935)
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Hang on......
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You wanna be watching Extreme sports
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watching being the operative word ay warchild
Hang on...... A wise man once told me, A friend will bail you outta jail, A great friend will be sitting beside you saying that was f**king awesome.
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awww
(im the same remeber )
awww
(im the same remeber ) she who sees from up high smiles
Patrick badger king: *they better hope there's never a jihad on stupidity*
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Fair point, But then if i had the money i would be up there with the ledgends of the extreme! Honest
But then if you cant join them, i say kick back and watch them
Fair point, But then if i had the money i would be up there with the ledgends of the extreme! Honest
But then if you cant join them, i say kick back and watch them
A wise man once told me, A friend will bail you outta jail, A great friend will be sitting beside you saying that was f**king awesome.
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good plan batman ...fancy a bevie? ..vodka ok for you
good plan batman
...fancy a bevie? ..vodka ok for you she who sees from up high smiles
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You no me too well?! Now is that a good thing or a bad thing?
*slides narr a pint glass and waits in anticipation for the vodka*
You no me too well?! Now is that a good thing or a bad thing?
*slides narr a pint glass and waits in anticipation for the vodka*
A wise man once told me, A friend will bail you outta jail, A great friend will be sitting beside you saying that was f**king awesome.
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tis all good by me mate
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tis all good by me mate
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I think you'd find it a beautifully sqewed population (mmmmmmmmmmm Sqew drool )..
LETS FREAK OUT THE NORMS
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It'd be interesting to have a HOP poll to see if people here have different views from "normal" (?) people!
I think you'd find it a beautifully sqewed population (mmmmmmmmmmm Sqew drool )..
LETS FREAK OUT THE NORMS
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yep ive heard that song
only about once though, and a long long time ago, which means it must have been good as i stil remember it
do you know what its called so i can download it?
*runs around jumping because kazza finally works*
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Has any one heard the song by the streets? I can't remember the name of it, and I won't go into the ins and outs of it but its basically saying that a bunch of peopel who smoke weed sitting at home making bongs from their enginering degree are doing much less harm than largers louts out in the streets every weekend....
yep ive heard that song
only about once though, and a long long time ago, which means it must have been good as i stil remember it
do you know what its called so i can download it?
*runs around jumping because kazza finally works*
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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thanks
thanks
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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While we're all aware of the effects smoking in general has, cannabis itself is nowhere as detrimental to health as alcohol, its cheerful legal cousin = . The connections to mental illness may have a basis in fact, but i have a hunch that it's not purely down to smoking weed, and depends on the individual. By the way, this comes from a non smoker.
While we're all aware of the effects smoking in general has, cannabis itself is nowhere as detrimental to health as alcohol, its cheerful legal cousin
= . The connections to mental illness may have a basis in fact, but i have a hunch that it's not purely down to smoking weed, and depends on the individual. By the way, this comes from a non smoker. You can always spot the moral victor.
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It's worth remembering that in the UK, people on the whole roll joints with tobacco in and no filter. So saying that smoking weed is better than smoking cigarettes isn't neccesarily true. You may not smoke as many, but you take in a lot more, unfiltered smoke, hold it in for longer and, if you're a lone smoker, smoke a king-skin as opposed to a normal size fag. And the government is still getting its tax.
It's worth remembering that in the UK, people on the whole roll joints with tobacco in and no filter. So saying that smoking weed is better than smoking cigarettes isn't neccesarily true. You may not smoke as many, but you take in a lot more, unfiltered smoke, hold it in for longer and, if you're a lone smoker, smoke a king-skin as opposed to a normal size fag. And the government is still getting its tax.
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i still hold the opinion these symptoms come from overuse, rather than normal recreational use.
i will freely admit that i overused cannabis in university and my degree result suffered for it.
i still smoke a lot compared to your average joe toker but at what i consider to be the 'right' times now - almost exclusively in the evenings after work and at weekends.
this means my motivation remains high in my day-to-day life (the thing that i lost to a large extent through overuse @ uni) and most of the rest of the time i'm only going to be juggling which i find isn't adversely affected by a smoking sliff here and there.
true indeed.
its what happened to me
the real danger here is that when i was studying, i considered that i didn't smoke cigarettes, despite the fact that i was addicted to nicotine.
this meant that instead of reaching for a cigarette when i got a craving, i'd have a spliff instead.
which obviously made studying for exams that much more of a challenge
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IAll I have seen, having been a long term user for over ten years and mixed with a great number of smokers, is that where there is cannabis, there is delusion, wasted potential and, in some cases, mental illness.
i still hold the opinion these symptoms come from overuse, rather than normal recreational use.
i will freely admit that i overused cannabis in university and my degree result suffered for it.
i still smoke a lot compared to your average joe toker but at what i consider to be the 'right' times now - almost exclusively in the evenings after work and at weekends.
this means my motivation remains high in my day-to-day life (the thing that i lost to a large extent through overuse @ uni) and most of the rest of the time i'm only going to be juggling which i find isn't adversely affected by a smoking sliff here and there.
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I suspect that many young people who have far more sense than to dabble with cigarettes, will be sucked in by smoking tobacco laden spliffs.
true indeed.
its what happened to me
the real danger here is that when i was studying, i considered that i didn't smoke cigarettes, despite the fact that i was addicted to nicotine.
this meant that instead of reaching for a cigarette when i got a craving, i'd have a spliff instead.
which obviously made studying for exams that much more of a challenge
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i agree, but i'd replace "is cannabis" with "are people".
why is there ANY legislation which dictates what risks a person can take with their own health?
it seems a fundamental misunderstanding of what the rule of law is there for in the first place.
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where there is cannabis, there is delusion, wasted potential and, in some cases, mental illness.
i agree, but i'd replace "is cannabis" with "are people".
why is there ANY legislation which dictates what risks a person can take with their own health?
it seems a fundamental misunderstanding of what the rule of law is there for in the first place.
better drowned than duffers if not duffers won't drown
nothing exceeds like excess
& other cliches...
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High five simian!
Whether you all condone smoking cannabis or not, don't you think that an individual should have the right to decide whether or not to risk their health doing it, just like when they drink alcohol or decide to skateboard down a 50 degree hill into a wall (i still have scars...)?
High five simian!
Whether you all condone smoking cannabis or not, don't you think that an individual should have the right to decide whether or not to risk their health doing it, just like when they drink alcohol or decide to skateboard down a 50 degree hill into a wall (i still have scars...)?
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It's true that where there are people there is generally delusion, but what I'm saying with that quote is that when those people use cannabis, there is usually a higher level of delusion.
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where there is cannabis, there is delusion, wasted potential and, in some cases, mental illness.
i agree, but i'd replace "is cannabis" with "are people".
It's true that where there are people there is generally delusion, but what I'm saying with that quote is that when those people use cannabis, there is usually a higher level of delusion.
Quote:Like I said before I've no opinion on whether cannabis should be legal or not, purely because I don't know whether it would higher or lower drug caused suffering in the long run.
why is there ANY legislation which dictates what risks a person can take with their own health?
it seems a fundamental misunderstanding of what the rule of law is there for in the first place.
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To me the main thing is that young people can make a genuine choice when it comes to taking risk, that means challenging the untruths that are often propagated, such as
cannabis is a harmless drug with no negative side effects
cannabis is cool
dangerous skating is cool
etc,
If someone genuinely wants to take risks then so be it, however, many who do are influenced by such things as peer pressure.
To bring skating into it a good example is the use of protective equipment such as pads and helmets.
In the UK skating scene most choose not to use the stuff, is that a genuine personal choice or is it because of peer group ridicule and distain of pads/helmets?
In extreme unicycling a example has been set from the start with most of the top riders using safety gear, as a result there is no stigma attached to its use.
So yes, I agree fully that individuals should have the right to make their own choices; choices independent of peer pressure, marketing ploys etc.
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High five simian!
Whether you all condone smoking cannabis or not, don't you think that an individual should have the right to decide whether or not to risk their health doing it, just like when they drink alcohol or decide to skateboard down a 50 degree hill into a wall (i still have scars...)?
To me the main thing is that young people can make a genuine choice when it comes to taking risk, that means challenging the untruths that are often propagated, such as
cannabis is a harmless drug with no negative side effects
cannabis is cool
dangerous skating is cool
etc,
If someone genuinely wants to take risks then so be it, however, many who do are influenced by such things as peer pressure.
To bring skating into it a good example is the use of protective equipment such as pads and helmets.
In the UK skating scene most choose not to use the stuff, is that a genuine personal choice or is it because of peer group ridicule and distain of pads/helmets?
In extreme unicycling a example has been set from the start with most of the top riders using safety gear, as a result there is no stigma attached to its use.
So yes, I agree fully that individuals should have the right to make their own choices; choices independent of peer pressure, marketing ploys etc.
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Most of us, when students, suffer from such things as lack of money, difficultly motivating ourselves to write essays, coping with moods etc.
Cannabis adds to all these, in everyone who uses it, you are far from the only person whose degree is less than it could have been.
true indeed.
its what happened to me
the real danger here is that when i was studying, i considered that i didn't smoke cigarettes, despite the fact that i was addicted to nicotine.
this meant that instead of reaching for a cigarette when i got a craving, i'd have a spliff instead.
Cheers for saying that; I wish more confirmed users would face up to, and vocalise, the fact that there are negatives to cannabis use.
Quote:I find the phrase 'normal recreational use' to be a little meaningless, either the symptoms mentioned can occur through 'normal' use, or, amongst smokers there is a tendency to 'overuse', as I have seen those symptoms in the majority of smokers I've known.Quote:
IAll I have seen, having been a long term user for over ten years and mixed with a great number of smokers, is that where there is cannabis, there is delusion, wasted potential and, in some cases, mental illness.
i still hold the opinion these symptoms come from overuse, rather than normal recreational use.
i will freely admit that i overused cannabis in university and my degree result suffered for it.
i still smoke a lot compared to your average joe toker but at what i consider to be the 'right' times now - almost exclusively in the evenings after work and at weekends.
this means my motivation remains high in my day-to-day life (the thing that i lost to a large extent through overuse @ uni) and most of the rest of the time i'm only going to be juggling which i find isn't adversely affected by a smoking sliff here and there.
Most of us, when students, suffer from such things as lack of money, difficultly motivating ourselves to write essays, coping with moods etc.
Cannabis adds to all these, in everyone who uses it, you are far from the only person whose degree is less than it could have been.
Quote:
I suspect that many young people who have far more sense than to dabble with cigarettes, will be sucked in by smoking tobacco laden spliffs.
true indeed.
its what happened to me
the real danger here is that when i was studying, i considered that i didn't smoke cigarettes, despite the fact that i was addicted to nicotine.
this meant that instead of reaching for a cigarette when i got a craving, i'd have a spliff instead.
Cheers for saying that; I wish more confirmed users would face up to, and vocalise, the fact that there are negatives to cannabis use.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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this is a confirmed user owning up to and vocalising the fact that their are negatives to cannabis use.
im sure it sends you slightly schitzophrenic. i know that their are articles 'proving' this to be a side effect but i am sure there is some sort of link, mood swings defintily.
addictiveness. sure thats true.a lot of people say that it is not addistive but it really is. at least psycho somatically (sp?)
smoke for a year every night then be let down on a buy... then tell me your not addicted.
money. money runs away from you if you smoke a lot. i dread to think of the amount of ££ i have wasted on it.
i have freind (21) who has handled an estimated £40,000 worth of buds in his life.
slighly scary no.
eventually getting high is normal. being high is normal. being sober is strange and unusal, thats quite an unusual and bad state to be in.
because its so social and cant kill you in one go (like a bad pill) it has a very soft approach, like all drugs it carries with it a risk oflong term mental damage.
this for me is the real risk of drugs.
this is a confirmed user owning up to and vocalising the fact that their are negatives to cannabis use.
im sure it sends you slightly schitzophrenic. i know that their are articles 'proving' this to be a side effect but i am sure there is some sort of link, mood swings defintily.
addictiveness. sure thats true.a lot of people say that it is not addistive but it really is. at least psycho somatically (sp?)
smoke for a year every night then be let down on a buy... then tell me your not addicted.
money. money runs away from you if you smoke a lot. i dread to think of the amount of ££ i have wasted on it.
i have freind (21) who has handled an estimated £40,000 worth of buds in his life.
slighly scary no.
eventually getting high is normal. being high is normal. being sober is strange and unusal, thats quite an unusual and bad state to be in.
because its so social and cant kill you in one go (like a bad pill) it has a very soft approach, like all drugs it carries with it a risk oflong term mental damage.
this for me is the real risk of drugs.
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Originalsmit and 1-wheel dave: what you guys say is interesting. 1 thing I'm wondering is, are you glad that you were able to find this out for yourselves by experimenting, or would you rather have stricter enforcement by government against cannabis? Would you not have taken it if you heard someone like yourself (who's had experience) talking about the disadvantages?
If you look at the literature, cannabis is clearly not harmless, but it's more like alcohol than heroin. Like any drug, a lot depends in what quantities you take it and why. Are you really taking it because you want to, or has it become a coping strategy? More socially acceptable than alcoholism, but from the stories people tell, just as harmful to university grades, relationships, etc. If you need it to get through the week, that's obviously a bad thing if it keeps on like that long-term. I agree that peer pressure is a big factor for experimentation, but for long-term use? To me that sounds like a good way to avoid taking responsibility (I'm not criticising anyone here, just making a point).
When I was a teenager it was really hard to get decent unbiased information on cannabis, because the info was provided by people on opposite sides of the legalisation argument. Emotions and personal bias tended to get in the way of facts. Either cannabis was completely deadly and as bad as class A drugs, or it was completely harmless and non-addictive - neither of which are true. If it was legal, maybe there would be better and more objective information available for people to make an informed choice. A lot of things are harmful or risky - doesn't mean we shouldn't and don't do them.
Hmmm, I hope this doesn't sound preachy. I know people have strong feelings on all this and I'm not meaning to offend anyone.
P.S. 1-wheel Dave: Great juggling video, btw!
Originalsmit and 1-wheel dave: what you guys say is interesting. 1 thing I'm wondering is, are you glad that you were able to find this out for yourselves by experimenting, or would you rather have stricter enforcement by government against cannabis? Would you not have taken it if you heard someone like yourself (who's had experience) talking about the disadvantages?
If you look at the literature, cannabis is clearly not harmless, but it's more like alcohol than heroin. Like any drug, a lot depends in what quantities you take it and why. Are you really taking it because you want to, or has it become a coping strategy? More socially acceptable than alcoholism, but from the stories people tell, just as harmful to university grades, relationships, etc. If you need it to get through the week, that's obviously a bad thing if it keeps on like that long-term. I agree that peer pressure is a big factor for experimentation, but for long-term use? To me that sounds like a good way to avoid taking responsibility (I'm not criticising anyone here, just making a point).
When I was a teenager it was really hard to get decent unbiased information on cannabis, because the info was provided by people on opposite sides of the legalisation argument. Emotions and personal bias tended to get in the way of facts. Either cannabis was completely deadly and as bad as class A drugs, or it was completely harmless and non-addictive - neither of which are true. If it was legal, maybe there would be better and more objective information available for people to make an informed choice. A lot of things are harmful or risky - doesn't mean we shouldn't and don't do them.
Hmmm, I hope this doesn't sound preachy. I know people have strong feelings on all this and I'm not meaning to offend anyone.
P.S. 1-wheel Dave: Great juggling video, btw!
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Originalsmit and 1-wheel dave: what you guys say is interesting. 1 thing I'm wondering is, are you glad that you were able to find this out for yourselves by experimenting, or would you rather have stricter enforcement by government against cannabis? Would you not have taken it if you heard someone like yourself (who's had experience) talking about the disadvantages?
stricter enforcement by goverment is a waste of time as they will never NEVER stamp it out. if it carried a life sentance for possesion id still get doorstep delivery.
the information i had on bud was crap. school taught us about the dangers of dying straight away from pills (E's) which is not very true herion and stuff like that. pills cost £1 in uk each and millions are taken every weekend. very few people dead each year very few in casualty.
the danger of pills is that they mess with your serationin levels and if you keep messing you will actually slowly lose the ability to be naturally happy. true.
i know a guy who takes E's every day, a half in the morning just to feel normal because he has screwed his brain so much that he cannot detect the seratonin naturally present.
(back to bud).....
would i have not taken it if i had heard the bad points.
no of course not. the attraction of forbidden things is always strong and i used to love it and it used to make me laugh my ass off
i had my first bif at about 14 half way through my paper round (true) loved it.
then a break then started more and more.
you have o have break every now and then, i need one NOW a big one too, my heads getting messed up from it all, ots of other [censored] too but thats by the by and theres nothing i can do about it. so i should alter something i CAN change.
you know its bad when you realise in one week that you have spent £270 on nothin but bud and fags and munchies.
thatwas a few years ago.
but no as long as its around theres nothing you can do to change the fact that people while they can do it. will do it. and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.my original signature was tooo long.
this one is shorter
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