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HOP Mad Doctor
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
So I've been doing some thinking and I've realized that we haven't had this talk in a while. And I'm not a mod, so this is horribly inappropriate of me, yes, I know. But I'm also a horrible person.
Anyways, about a year ago, I seem to remember that we all had a big discussion about some do's and don't's of HOP. And I think that there have been a lot of flagrant violations lately, not because people are being malicious, but because anyone who has joined in the last year just doesn't know.
Here are some rules that I remember. I'm going to add that I've flagrantly violated a few of these recently because, as I said, I'm a horrible person.
1) No labeling of threads as "official," (i.e. "The Official 'I need to go to the bathroom' thread") unless you are a mod or otherwise have authority to be speaking officially for HOP.
2) No discussion of any activity that is illegal in New Zealand (this is especially aimed at talking about drug use).
3) There is NOOO...rule number 3.
4) Keep it clean as this is a board that children read. If your thread is going to be anything over PG-rated, put a warning in the header.
5) PLUR. That's Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect. The love part isn't mandatory, but the other three are mandatory at all times on the board. Especially the Respect part.
Does anyone remember any other rules we decided upon? I just think that if we bring this up on some regular basis (every few months), things might move more smoothly.
Right, I'm just going to go back to being a horrible person now.
So I've been doing some thinking and I've realized that we haven't had this talk in a while. And I'm not a mod, so this is horribly inappropriate of me, yes, I know. But I'm also a horrible person.
Anyways, about a year ago, I seem to remember that we all had a big discussion about some do's and don't's of HOP. And I think that there have been a lot of flagrant violations lately, not because people are being malicious, but because anyone who has joined in the last year just doesn't know.
Here are some rules that I remember. I'm going to add that I've flagrantly violated a few of these recently because, as I said, I'm a horrible person.
1) No labeling of threads as "official," (i.e. "The Official 'I need to go to the bathroom' thread") unless you are a mod or otherwise have authority to be speaking officially for HOP.
2) No discussion of any activity that is illegal in New Zealand (this is especially aimed at talking about drug use).
3) There is NOOO...rule number 3.
4) Keep it clean as this is a board that children read. If your thread is going to be anything over PG-rated, put a warning in the header.
5) PLUR. That's Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect. The love part isn't mandatory, but the other three are mandatory at all times on the board. Especially the Respect part.
Does anyone remember any other rules we decided upon? I just think that if we bring this up on some regular basis (every few months), things might move more smoothly.
Right, I'm just going to go back to being a horrible person now.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
...Quick amendment to number 4....
All posts are to be PG-13. There is no warning in the header thing...children read the board.
5. Because it is a global board, for the ease of reading for those whom English is a 2nd language, no shortened-internet abbreviation stuff. (Cuz I sez b4, u r 1....)
Also, all of the HoP direct rules can be found in the area marked as Guidelines.
Thank Mike...just one more reason for me to want to kiss you!;)
Pele
...Quick amendment to number 4....
All posts are to be PG-13. There is no warning in the header thing...children read the board.
5. Because it is a global board, for the ease of reading for those whom English is a 2nd language, no shortened-internet abbreviation stuff. (Cuz I sez b4, u r 1....)
Also, all of the HoP direct rules can be found in the area marked as Guidelines.
Thank Mike...just one more reason for me to want to kiss you!;)
Pele
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
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"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Location: Cornwall, United Kingdom
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Location: Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posted:
In that case, we need more horrible people here!
I hadn't seen these rules before but they all seem like a good idea to me! Maybe folks just need reminding every now and then!?
*wanders off to search the old board*
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But I'm also a horrible person
In that case, we need more horrible people here!
I hadn't seen these rules before but they all seem like a good idea to me! Maybe folks just need reminding every now and then!?
*wanders off to search the old board*
My state of mind is not yours to define!
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
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Sporadically Prodigal
2,758 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Sporadically Prodigal
2,758 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posted:
Luckily you didn't name this thread "The Official HOP Rules of the Board" otherwise I would have got my knickers in a knot. hehehe. Those were the days.....
Thanks for posting this Lightning.
Luckily you didn't name this thread "The Official HOP Rules of the Board" otherwise I would have got my knickers in a knot. hehehe. Those were the days.....
Thanks for posting this Lightning.
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Ghostbuster
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Location: York, UK
Ghostbuster
455 posts
Location: York, UK
Posted:
I don't really understand the rule about not discussing illegal activites. the rule seems purely about certain illegal things like drugs, however other illegal activities i think would be discussed.
surely the rule ought to be no promotion of illegal activities. discussion should be balanced and without any sort of promotion or the opposite (cant think of the word)
I assume a blanket ban on discussion of illegal things is easier than a ban on promotion which is why the rule is as it is.
or am i missing the point altogether ?
I don't really understand the rule about not discussing illegal activites. the rule seems purely about certain illegal things like drugs, however other illegal activities i think would be discussed.
surely the rule ought to be no promotion of illegal activities. discussion should be balanced and without any sort of promotion or the opposite (cant think of the word)
I assume a blanket ban on discussion of illegal things is easier than a ban on promotion which is why the rule is as it is.
or am i missing the point altogether ?
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Posted:
Its a difficult one. But the reason for it is that Malcolm is really held responsible for what is posted on this site (hence the "illegal in NZ" bit). So he can be subject to complaints and possibly prosecution if this site is seen to be a haven for illegal activities.
No I don't have a legal mind, so I am not going to argue the legal ins and outs of this. Maybe Malcolm could never ultimately be held responsible in the eyes of the law for this stuff. However it could cause him a lot of trouble, a trial by media etc, if a complaint was made.
As to what can be discussed and in what tone, use your judgement. But also understand that a lot of this info can be taken out of context. I was speaking to someone once who was outraged at the fact that HoP had a thread on making Napalm, and had extensive recipes for it. When I think in fact such a thread was started and was closed down fairly quickly by people saying "errrmmm, truly not a smart idea".
Its a difficult one. But the reason for it is that Malcolm is really held responsible for what is posted on this site (hence the "illegal in NZ" bit). So he can be subject to complaints and possibly prosecution if this site is seen to be a haven for illegal activities.
No I don't have a legal mind, so I am not going to argue the legal ins and outs of this. Maybe Malcolm could never ultimately be held responsible in the eyes of the law for this stuff. However it could cause him a lot of trouble, a trial by media etc, if a complaint was made.
As to what can be discussed and in what tone, use your judgement. But also understand that a lot of this info can be taken out of context. I was speaking to someone once who was outraged at the fact that HoP had a thread on making Napalm, and had extensive recipes for it. When I think in fact such a thread was started and was closed down fairly quickly by people saying "errrmmm, truly not a smart idea".
It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
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still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
still can't believe it's not butter
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
6. No list humour
6. No list humour
Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always
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2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California
2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California
Posted:
What if I broke Rule No. 3?
What if I broke Rule No. 3?
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
Well, then, Mr. Fireproof, ya better fix it then!
Well, then, Mr. Fireproof, ya better fix it then!
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
ok, I like the basic rules ideas, short simple and effective, but I'm a little confused about this one. I don't want to sound pedantic or whingey or trying to pick holes (alhough I'm a horrible person too) but I'd hate to get Malc in trouble for providing us with such a wonderful place (last night was my first in the Chat room, it was ace! 
) so I want to know what can/can't be written by us.
What are the laws in NZ regarding discussion on WWW (and thus ending up on Malcs server) about what we do in our own country and the effects or action that may be taken upon the owner of the server, especially when it's obviously nothing to do with them. (as in we're not drug runners or a kiddie porn ring) Be it illegal or not in our own country. I'm no legal brain bod so I have no ideas what may be legal/illegal in NZ apart from the major obvious stuff. If I say I did something, that may involve taking something or doing somthing illegal, how does it affect the laws in NZ?
ok, I just read the above back to myself and don't think I'm sounding to clear so example time
Today in the UK we've had Cannabis downgraded to a Class C drug. Now while this still makes it illegal to buy/sell etc to be caught with it for personal use can only culminate in a warning as it's now the same as buying perscription drugs without perscription, but would/could it be more serious in NZ for Malc if I talked about it??
Can a Mod, or Malc, please give us a bit more detail, I don't wanna sound like a thickie, and I know boundaries may be hard to define on this issue, I just don't get what laws are imposed and why it would cause trouble for Malc and certainly want to avoid it!!
Thanks! Keep up the good work cuz this place ROCKS!!! And in the meantime, I'll try to curb any foul language and general naughtiness!
CB
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2) No discussion of any activity that is illegal in New Zealand (this is especially aimed at talking about drug use).
ok, I like the basic rules ideas, short simple and effective, but I'm a little confused about this one. I don't want to sound pedantic or whingey or trying to pick holes (alhough I'm a horrible person too
) but I'd hate to get Malc in trouble for providing us with such a wonderful place (last night was my first in the Chat room, it was ace! ) so I want to know what can/can't be written by us. What are the laws in NZ regarding discussion on WWW (and thus ending up on Malcs server) about what we do in our own country and the effects or action that may be taken upon the owner of the server, especially when it's obviously nothing to do with them. (as in we're not drug runners or a kiddie porn ring) Be it illegal or not in our own country. I'm no legal brain bod so I have no ideas what may be legal/illegal in NZ apart from the major obvious stuff. If I say I did something, that may involve taking something or doing somthing illegal, how does it affect the laws in NZ?
ok, I just read the above back to myself and don't think I'm sounding to clear so example time
Today in the UK we've had Cannabis downgraded to a Class C drug. Now while this still makes it illegal to buy/sell etc to be caught with it for personal use can only culminate in a warning as it's now the same as buying perscription drugs without perscription, but would/could it be more serious in NZ for Malc if I talked about it??
Can a Mod, or Malc, please give us a bit more detail, I don't wanna sound like a thickie, and I know boundaries may be hard to define on this issue, I just don't get what laws are imposed and why it would cause trouble for Malc and certainly want to avoid it!!
Thanks! Keep up the good work cuz this place ROCKS!!! And in the meantime, I'll try to curb any foul language and general naughtiness!
CB
Let's relight this forum 
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
Bug,
The reason it specifically says "New Zealand" is because that's where Malcolm lives and that's where HOP lives. I'm sure that if pot were legal there, it wouldn't be such an issue (although one has to wonder if it might fall under the "decency" rule, but that's a debate for when they legalize pot in NZ).
I'd hate it if Malcolm got in trouble.
Bug,
The reason it specifically says "New Zealand" is because that's where Malcolm lives and that's where HOP lives. I'm sure that if pot were legal there, it wouldn't be such an issue (although one has to wonder if it might fall under the "decency" rule, but that's a debate for when they legalize pot in NZ).
I'd hate it if Malcolm got in trouble.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
Yeah I understand that Lightning, it's the laws in NZ that would prosecute Malc for his unwitting participation in illegal activities I want to know about.
Yeah I understand that Lightning, it's the laws in NZ that would prosecute Malc for his unwitting participation in illegal activities I want to know about.
Let's relight this forum
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I think some of the rules are vague.
It's difficult to make specific rules, I understand but rules as vague as "Peace" are going to be misinterpreted. Especially since we have an entire "War" forum. The issue of legality is a good one. Am I allowed to discuss spinning fire without a state issued permit? As far as I know, I've never spun fire legally.
I'm not trying to be difficult, in fact, quite the opposite. I would like to see rules that are clear and universally enforcable.
I think some of the rules are vague.
It's difficult to make specific rules, I understand but rules as vague as "Peace" are going to be misinterpreted. Especially since we have an entire "War" forum. The issue of legality is a good one. Am I allowed to discuss spinning fire without a state issued permit? As far as I know, I've never spun fire legally.
I'm not trying to be difficult, in fact, quite the opposite. I would like to see rules that are clear and universally enforcable.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
3,149 posts
Location: London
3,149 posts
Location: London
Posted:
Rules don't always have to be exact, especially when we have recourse to Pele, Charles and Malcolm to judge what is and isn't appropriate (Flash & Dom too?)
Post what you think is ok, and if it's not they'll tell you. When lawyers get going, they can talk rubbish all day. and not good rubbish either. Boring rubbish. So how about keeping the rules a little wooly and fuzzy
The discussion of drugs i understood to be avoided mainly for reasons of family friendliness. Drug references can scare nice people away.
dammit, i was going to say that
Rules don't always have to be exact, especially when we have recourse to Pele, Charles and Malcolm to judge what is and isn't appropriate (Flash & Dom too?)
Post what you think is ok, and if it's not they'll tell you. When lawyers get going, they can talk rubbish all day. and not good rubbish either. Boring rubbish. So how about keeping the rules a little wooly and fuzzy
The discussion of drugs i understood to be avoided mainly for reasons of family friendliness. Drug references can scare nice people away.
Quote:
rules as vague as "Peace" are going to be misinterpreted. Especially since we have an entire "War" forum.
dammit, i was going to say that
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I agree that grey rules aren't the worst thing and that it is difficult to make rules that are black an white. Rules are always going to be open for interpretation, but at the same time, clarity will also help people moderate themselves.
I agree that grey rules aren't the worst thing and that it is difficult to make rules that are black an white. Rules are always going to be open for interpretation, but at the same time, clarity will also help people moderate themselves.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
I just wanna make sure nothing happens 'legally'. I never realised countries round the world would hold server owners responsible for words typed beyond their control. Although of course I doubt anything here could escalate that far!!
I just wanna make sure nothing happens 'legally'. I never realised countries round the world would hold server owners responsible for words typed beyond their control. Although of course I doubt anything here could escalate that far!!
Let's relight this forum
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2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
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2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posted:
The Internet is a complex place to regulate, however attempts have been made. In Australia we have two tiers of legislation. At a national level we have laws that apply to ISPs (Internet Service Providers), for those not in the know these are the people that host websites.
At a State and Territory Level there are laws which apply to content providers and creators (Malcolm) and Internet Users (You & Me)
In summary:
Such laws are generally targetted towards the protection of minors from information deemed unsuitable, for example in NSW, the state I live in, it is a criminal offense to make available content that would be classified as higher than an MA under the Office of Film and Literature Classifications Board (the same board that overseas film and television).
What is interesting is that these laws target content providers and internet users.
There are three additional points I would like to make:
1. These examples are drawn from Australian Legislation and I am unsure of what provisions are made in NZ law for internet regulation.
2. Ultimately Malcolm is responsible for the content on his website. Even if it could never be proven in a legal sense, he has an ethical responsibility to his customers and community. I don't think I speak amiss when I say I am sure he takes this very very seriously. This is part of the reason why this is a moderated forum.
3. The problem for Malcolm in this legislation would not be in its enforcement. I would say it would be highly unlikely that Malcolm would be prosecuted under such legislation because of what it is geared towards. The risk is in complaints to regulatory bodies that result in media attention, or even an investigation of some form. That in itself would be enough to ruin Malcolm's life and livelihood.
The Internet is a complex place to regulate, however attempts have been made. In Australia we have two tiers of legislation. At a national level we have laws that apply to ISPs (Internet Service Providers), for those not in the know these are the people that host websites.
Quote:
The law requires Australian ISPs and ICHs to delete content from their servers (Web, Usenet, FTP, etc.) that is deemed "objectionable" or "unsuitable for minors" on receipt of a take-down notice from the government regulator, the Australian Broadcasting Authority ("ABA").
At a State and Territory Level there are laws which apply to content providers and creators (Malcolm) and Internet Users (You & Me)
In summary:
Quote:
Some States/Territories have laws enabling prosecution of ordinary Internet users and other content providers for making available material that is deemed "objectionable" or "unsuitable for minors" and/or for downloading content that is illegal to possess. The particular provisions of these laws vary among the States and Territories.
Such laws are generally targetted towards the protection of minors from information deemed unsuitable, for example in NSW, the state I live in, it is a criminal offense to make available content that would be classified as higher than an MA under the Office of Film and Literature Classifications Board (the same board that overseas film and television).
What is interesting is that these laws target content providers and internet users.
There are three additional points I would like to make:
1. These examples are drawn from Australian Legislation and I am unsure of what provisions are made in NZ law for internet regulation.
2. Ultimately Malcolm is responsible for the content on his website. Even if it could never be proven in a legal sense, he has an ethical responsibility to his customers and community. I don't think I speak amiss when I say I am sure he takes this very very seriously. This is part of the reason why this is a moderated forum.
3. The problem for Malcolm in this legislation would not be in its enforcement. I would say it would be highly unlikely that Malcolm would be prosecuted under such legislation because of what it is geared towards. The risk is in complaints to regulatory bodies that result in media attention, or even an investigation of some form. That in itself would be enough to ruin Malcolm's life and livelihood.
It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
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Location: San Diego California
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Location: San Diego California
Posted:
Rule No. 3 is fixed, man duct tape is a wonderful thing
Rule No. 3 is fixed, man duct tape is a wonderful thing
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
To say nothing of what it would do to this board, which is one of the most amazing communities on the net.
Let's face it, folks. We got lucky here. We managed to assemble ourselves a community of spinners, and the original tone of the board was one of positivity, unity, and respect. Although there has been the occasional bump in the road here and there, that general attitude and atmosphere has overwhelmingly prevailed. Most online communities become toxic and die early in their existence. HOP has not only survived, it has thrived.
Thanks to HOP, I've met some of the most amazing people and made friendships that will last a lifetime. Thanks to HOP, wherever I go, I will never be alone. And thanks to HOP, I have a community of people who know what a "three-beat weave" is.
However, part of making HOP stay that way is to show respect for others. So regardless of the legality, if Malcolm doesn't want it discussed here, then it's a no-go.
By and large, I think that the mods have been pretty darned permissive and I do appreciate that. It always makes people nervous to have a discussion of "rules," because that brings to mind a draconian community in which the mods routinely censor posts and serve the role of authoritarian tyrants, rather than as community guides and leaders.
Being one of the most senior members of this board, I think I can say with confidence that none of the mods wants to take on that role, which is why they react so firmly to any perceived change in the vibe of this board. Best to nip a problem in the bud before it gets out of control.
And, finally, let's all remember that the mods are human beings. They have feelings, they have their own opinions, personalities, lifestyles, and, yes, even bad hair days when they'll be snippy. I think we all need to keep this in mind and just be patient when it seems like something has been blown out of proportion.
In the end, the goal of this discussion is because I'd rather we all have this talk from time to time just to make it clear what sorts of behaviors are not permitted, since I don't think that anyone here really wants to undermine this incredible community that we have made for ourselves.
and 
to everyone.
Quote:
The risk is in complaints to regulatory bodies that result in media attention, or even an investigation of some form. That in itself would be enough to ruin Malcolm's life and livelihood.
To say nothing of what it would do to this board, which is one of the most amazing communities on the net.
Let's face it, folks. We got lucky here. We managed to assemble ourselves a community of spinners, and the original tone of the board was one of positivity, unity, and respect. Although there has been the occasional bump in the road here and there, that general attitude and atmosphere has overwhelmingly prevailed. Most online communities become toxic and die early in their existence. HOP has not only survived, it has thrived.
Thanks to HOP, I've met some of the most amazing people and made friendships that will last a lifetime. Thanks to HOP, wherever I go, I will never be alone. And thanks to HOP, I have a community of people who know what a "three-beat weave" is.
However, part of making HOP stay that way is to show respect for others. So regardless of the legality, if Malcolm doesn't want it discussed here, then it's a no-go.
By and large, I think that the mods have been pretty darned permissive and I do appreciate that. It always makes people nervous to have a discussion of "rules," because that brings to mind a draconian community in which the mods routinely censor posts and serve the role of authoritarian tyrants, rather than as community guides and leaders.
Being one of the most senior members of this board, I think I can say with confidence that none of the mods wants to take on that role, which is why they react so firmly to any perceived change in the vibe of this board. Best to nip a problem in the bud before it gets out of control.
And, finally, let's all remember that the mods are human beings. They have feelings, they have their own opinions, personalities, lifestyles, and, yes, even bad hair days when they'll be snippy. I think we all need to keep this in mind and just be patient when it seems like something has been blown out of proportion.
In the end, the goal of this discussion is because I'd rather we all have this talk from time to time just to make it clear what sorts of behaviors are not permitted, since I don't think that anyone here really wants to undermine this incredible community that we have made for ourselves.
and to everyone. -Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I, as always, agree with Mr. Lightning.
He reminds me of a younger me.
I, as always, agree with Mr. Lightning.
He reminds me of a younger me.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
Oh, that's not good... Now I see what the future holds for me.
And it's gimpy, nerdy, and has a corny sense of humor.
And it lives in New York.
Oh, that's not good... Now I see what the future holds for me.
And it's gimpy, nerdy, and has a corny sense of humor.
And it lives in New York.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
Mike you are as always eloquent. Well said.
Mike you are as always eloquent. Well said.
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
Aww, thank you!
*gives Gnorc a pretty little pebble
Aww, thank you!
*gives Gnorc a pretty little pebble
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
About the legalities one...
It is actually not specific to NZ, because this is a global board with the majority of it's participants hailing from NZ, Oz, GB and the US. Within all of these countries there are laws against the use of drugs, murder, pornography, etc.....
HoP is here but has to also uphold certain standards. Not only because of minors and their exposure but also liability.
Does anyone remember the threads about "I spin while on....", and the subsequent "I was burned because I heard it was cool to spin on..." threads? If someone wanted to go litigation happy, it can come back on HoP as promoting illegal behaviour. There have, in the past, been nasty letters, threats and irrate phone calls to this effect.
Even threads which start about legislation of illegals usually end up in an "I use and it's okay..." type thing. HoP can not risk being part of that, and so.....
Thanks to liability and legislation even free speech has it's limitations.
All threads about drugs, containing pornography, and committing illegal acts (or links to such places) will be deleted.
Sorry folks. Just the way it has to be....but there are so many wonderful things to talk about, I don't think this is at all inhibiting.
Kind Regards,
Pele
PS... Mike for that wonderful post. Gave me the warm fuzzies!
EDITED_BY: Pele (1075479391)
About the legalities one...
It is actually not specific to NZ, because this is a global board with the majority of it's participants hailing from NZ, Oz, GB and the US. Within all of these countries there are laws against the use of drugs, murder, pornography, etc.....
HoP is here but has to also uphold certain standards. Not only because of minors and their exposure but also liability.
Does anyone remember the threads about "I spin while on....", and the subsequent "I was burned because I heard it was cool to spin on..." threads? If someone wanted to go litigation happy, it can come back on HoP as promoting illegal behaviour. There have, in the past, been nasty letters, threats and irrate phone calls to this effect.
Even threads which start about legislation of illegals usually end up in an "I use and it's okay..." type thing. HoP can not risk being part of that, and so.....
Thanks to liability and legislation even free speech has it's limitations.
All threads about drugs, containing pornography, and committing illegal acts (or links to such places) will be deleted.
Sorry folks. Just the way it has to be....but there are so many wonderful things to talk about, I don't think this is at all inhibiting.
Kind Regards,
Pele
PS...
Mike for that wonderful post. Gave me the warm fuzzies! EDITED_BY: Pele (1075479391)
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
3,149 posts
Location: London
3,149 posts
Location: London
Posted:
Oh... there goes that thread about the recent change in UK legislations then. That had some really interesting good bits
Time for a little nit-picking i think.
monkeys are good at that
Yes, but i believe the only law that applies is that of the country which Malcolms server is in.
Even if he was, i'm not aware of any laws in any country that prohibit talking about or advocating illegal drugs.
Generally you get in trouble if you sell them or possess them, not talk/think about them.
It seems strange to be so worried about litigation on such a minor point, when the site is selling hazardous fire performing equipment to anyone with a credit card.
Of course, it's entirely up to Malcolm what he chooses to allow on his BB. But if this is for legal reasons then it seems wrongheaded. If it's because thats not what is wanted on HoP then fine, just say so and don't blame unspecified doubtful legislation.
i disagree, it is obviously inhibiting to ban any mention of drugs at all from a community site which includes a high proportion of people who regularly use recreational drugs with each other.
again, i have no problem with you censoring anything you want here. It's not my site. But please don't say "it's no big deal." as you consign posts that i spent some time and thought on to the ether.
Oh... there goes that thread about the recent change in UK legislations then. That had some really interesting good bits
Time for a little nit-picking i think.
monkeys are good at that
Quote:
About the legalities one... It is actually not specific to NZ, because this is a global board with the majority of it's participants hailing from NZ, Oz, GB and the US. Within all of these countries there are laws against the use of drugs, murder, pornography, etc.....
Yes, but i believe the only law that applies is that of the country which Malcolms server is in.
Even if he was, i'm not aware of any laws in any country that prohibit talking about or advocating illegal drugs.
Generally you get in trouble if you sell them or possess them, not talk/think about them.
It seems strange to be so worried about litigation on such a minor point, when the site is selling hazardous fire performing equipment to anyone with a credit card.
Of course, it's entirely up to Malcolm what he chooses to allow on his BB. But if this is for legal reasons then it seems wrongheaded. If it's because thats not what is wanted on HoP then fine, just say so and don't blame unspecified doubtful legislation.
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I don't think this is at all inhibiting.
i disagree, it is obviously inhibiting to ban any mention of drugs at all from a community site which includes a high proportion of people who regularly use recreational drugs with each other.
again, i have no problem with you censoring anything you want here. It's not my site. But please don't say "it's no big deal." as you consign posts that i spent some time and thought on to the ether.
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Not true entirely. Under international business law if something on this site is found to be encouraging of illegal activity, Malcolm can be held responsible in both countries.
Fire spinning is not illegal (yet) and so is not an accurate representation for this. And if you have ever seen the sales pages, read the Home page or any of the articles and disclaimers here on HoP, there are statements everywhere stating that if you use this or that tool, or whatever, that we will not be held responsible. In fact, I think that is in the guidelines you agreed to when you registered.
And it wouldn't matter anyway, as NZ is on that list where HoP is from. Either way, international or local, these things can not be put up here as regulated by law and by choice.
Still, when it comes to promotion to use of illegal items, even the disclaimers can be shakey.
Also, in the past, we have actually deleted many threads about fire play practices which we felt were too dangerous and/or stupid for public consumption. One poor member had nearly every post of his deleted until he caught on. This is not limited to only drugs, but to a few things.
Then please take that conversation to a drug related bb. Spinning has nothing to do with drugs. They are seperate "hobbies", if you will, and due to the dangerous nature of spinning also do not like to endorse in ANY WAY the use of illegal substances while spinning, which I realize many do.
A post you knew was not supposed to be put up because in your initial post you referred to this thread. I agree it was well thought out, the entire thread, but I reiterate, if it discusses illegal anything...it will be deleted.
As for that pesky rule 3, it just keeps running away. Hard to follow something you can't see...eh?
Rule 2,004,567.... (or is that just how many times it has been said?) Use the Search!
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Yes, but i believe the only law that applies is that of the country which Malcolms server is in.
Not true entirely. Under international business law if something on this site is found to be encouraging of illegal activity, Malcolm can be held responsible in both countries.
Fire spinning is not illegal (yet) and so is not an accurate representation for this. And if you have ever seen the sales pages, read the Home page or any of the articles and disclaimers here on HoP, there are statements everywhere stating that if you use this or that tool, or whatever, that we will not be held responsible. In fact, I think that is in the guidelines you agreed to when you registered.
And it wouldn't matter anyway, as NZ is on that list where HoP is from. Either way, international or local, these things can not be put up here as regulated by law and by choice.
Still, when it comes to promotion to use of illegal items, even the disclaimers can be shakey.
Also, in the past, we have actually deleted many threads about fire play practices which we felt were too dangerous and/or stupid for public consumption. One poor member had nearly every post of his deleted until he caught on. This is not limited to only drugs, but to a few things.
Quote:
i disagree, it is obviously inhibiting to ban any mention of drugs at all from a community site which includes a high proportion of people who regularly use recreational drugs with each other.
Then please take that conversation to a drug related bb. Spinning has nothing to do with drugs. They are seperate "hobbies", if you will, and due to the dangerous nature of spinning also do not like to endorse in ANY WAY the use of illegal substances while spinning, which I realize many do.
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But please don't say "it's no big deal." as you consign posts that i spent some time and thought on to the ether.
A post you knew was not supposed to be put up because in your initial post you referred to this thread. I agree it was well thought out, the entire thread, but I reiterate, if it discusses illegal anything...it will be deleted.
As for that pesky rule 3, it just keeps running away. Hard to follow something you can't see...eh?
Rule 2,004,567.... (or is that just how many times it has been said?) Use the Search!
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
Pele,
The topic of the new laws in the U.K regarding cannabis has been all over the news and neither CNN nor the BBC seem to be worried about litigation. I personally feel like it might be a bit extreme to delete it (well, you already did, so that's done.)
However, I think it is quite appropriate to delete posts in which people talk about which drugs they personally use, while sparing what is an interesting thread as a whole.
Pele,
The topic of the new laws in the U.K regarding cannabis has been all over the news and neither CNN nor the BBC seem to be worried about litigation. I personally feel like it might be a bit extreme to delete it (well, you already did, so that's done.)
However, I think it is quite appropriate to delete posts in which people talk about which drugs they personally use, while sparing what is an interesting thread as a whole.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
I know that silly. And I understand and have read about it myself in the news. And while there was a strong discussion about it, there were also the replies of "I do" "I don't"....
And, it was agreed by the mods that threads about it will be deleted because it is one of those subjects that is easily hijacked, still illegal and very touchy. It is easier to say none than to pick and choose which should stay and go. That makes it hard on everyone then.
I know that silly. And I understand and have read about it myself in the news. And while there was a strong discussion about it, there were also the replies of "I do" "I don't"....
And, it was agreed by the mods that threads about it will be deleted because it is one of those subjects that is easily hijacked, still illegal and very touchy. It is easier to say none than to pick and choose which should stay and go. That makes it hard on everyone then.
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA
All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
9,831 posts
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA
Posted:
out of curiousity, cause i've always wondered this....when a post or thread is deleted, do you tell the person who posted it (or started the thread) that you are going to delete it?
out of curiousity, cause i've always wondered this....when a post or thread is deleted, do you tell the person who posted it (or started the thread) that you are going to delete it?
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
1,591 posts
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posted:
So what if someones country has abnormal laws makeing unexpected things illegal?
I am nitpicking here, but there definatly is countrys with very questionable laws and I don't think we can possibly satisfy the legalities of every nation.
So what if someones country has abnormal laws makeing unexpected things illegal?
I am nitpicking here, but there definatly is countrys with very questionable laws and I don't think we can possibly satisfy the legalities of every nation.
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Astar, which is why I listed the primary groups countries.
I can only speak for myself and I do alert people by PM with the fact that their post/thread will be deleted with an explaination. Likewise when something needs to be edited I always give the person who posted it the option first of doing it him/herself first.
I am pretty sure that all my fellow mods also extend the same courtesies to people.
TA!
Pele
Astar, which is why I listed the primary groups countries.
I can only speak for myself and I do alert people by PM with the fact that their post/thread will be deleted with an explaination. Likewise when something needs to be edited I always give the person who posted it the option first of doing it him/herself first.
I am pretty sure that all my fellow mods also extend the same courtesies to people.
TA!
Pele
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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