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King Of Bongoaddict
522 posts
Location: Berlin


Posted:
women overtake men at every level of education...
"however it still dont mean that them there hussies are better than the best 'o us, just means there are more of em" (spoken with a deep texan redneck accent)
hmmm.
good for you ladies,
you can stick em statistics you know where.
grrr. woof.

whatever.

quote from me when I was younger used to infuriate certain female friends of mine:
I aint sexist. Just think women are inferior.

I dont mean it tho, just pissed off that us men cant get our arses in gear.

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RoziSILVER Member
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


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I find these kind of articles slightly disturbing, not for what they report, but for how they will be interpreted. The tendency on reading these reports is, instead of advocating more support for boys education, to advocate less support for women. The other response is the thought that there is no longer any prejudice against women.

So, my points:

Support for one gender should not be at the expense of the otherthere is still prejudice in the workplace against womenthere is still prejudice in the workplace against men (family leave entitlements, working requirements etc)
Maybe we just need to move beyond a "one gender is this, therefore the other is this" form of reasoning.

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


King Of Bongoaddict
522 posts
Location: Berlin


Posted:
I agree completely, just thought it was an interesting article.

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KatBRONZE Member
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2,211 posts
Location: London, Wales (UK)


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It was indeed and you console yourself with the fact that women in general will never excel like men at peeing while standing up, belching or bodybuilding (sorry but that's just scarrrreeeyyy Bodybuilding women

Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.

- W B Yeats


King Of Bongoaddict
522 posts
Location: Berlin


Posted:
yup! extremely scary...
and some of the best belchers i know are women,
and...
drum roll...
(if I can find it)
there is a thread somewhere that is about techniques for women to pee standing up...
one for the ladies thread

so that only leaves us men incapable of multiple orgasms.
grumble grumble!

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RoziSILVER Member
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


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men are capable of multiple orgasms. It just takes a lot of control.

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


Itsgottabmember
244 posts
Location: NZ


Posted:
While it sure does look like women are getting equality with men it is an illusion. the men begin smarter are letting the women slowly take over all the working roles so that we will sit back and enjoy the last 4000 years of hard work. of course women aren't completely stupid so the process is slow. it would seem some of the men aren't that quick either and continue to work like dogs. there are three types of people women and smart and stupid men. which one are you?

King Of Bongoaddict
522 posts
Location: Berlin


Posted:
according to who you speak to, smart men are a myth... but we know thats not true eih?!
hmmm.
I have way too many feminist friends!

Rozi... would very very very much like to know more!

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Astarmember
1,591 posts
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.


Posted:
In my school most of the women teachers gave girls better grades just because they were women, and most of the male teachers gave girls better grades just because they flirted with them. So im pretty bitter about the whole thing. I do realize it's not like this everywheres, my school is infamous for being ****ed up and backwards.

EeraBRONZE Member
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Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia


Posted:
For years I vaguely wanted to be a man 'cause I perceived that their lives are much easier. Now I realise it's bollox, there are goods and bads about being both sexes and I really like being a girl. I get to play with make-up without anyone thinking I'm weird.

Though I still would like to pee standing up.

There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.


KatBRONZE Member
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Location: London, Wales (UK)


Posted:
quote:
In my school most of the women teachers gave girls better grades just because they were women, and most of the male teachers gave girls better grades just because they flirted with them. So im pretty bitter about the whole thing. I do realize it's not like this everywheres, my school is infamous for being ****ed up and backwards.
Hee hee soudns like I was in the evil reverse of your UNI. In the Japanese Department we had a bitter cow eager to get laid who simpered on the guys and treated the girls like dirt and a male lecturer who was gay that did likewise. Our very difficult consumer behaviour examiner, also gay, and also favoured the guys. He gave a 1st class honour to a friend of mine who was panicked before the exam and whom I gave sample answers to essays to. Despite it being one of my best subjects I only got a 2nd.

I did my thesis back in 1998 on law and gender inequalities in Japanese society. Many comparisons

Do I think things have changed dramatically? Well the answer to that would have to be a resounding no! When I moved to London I found it hard to find a job over here and many of the agencies kept trying to push me towards PA jobs. After years at University and almost 2 and a half years of working in Japan, frankly I found this insulting. Guys coming back from Japan after English teaching over there found jobs quicker than I did and started on better salaries. In my current line of work I have only met 2 women who were not secretarys. On a recent business trip to Japan I left after dinner while the guys went on to a hostess bar (I was not invited). At the same time, it is massive progress for my company (a very old, very proud Japanese company) that they give me more responsibility than booking hotels and making coffee!

Do I think things are equal - hell no! Like racism, sexism and inequality are very much alive. Its not just women who are discimiated against though. People think house husbands or guys who want to work with kids have something wrong with them, if they cut hair or work as trolly-kens are gay and if they cook they cannot be called a cook but a chef!

Just because sexism / racism is not in our face every day people assume it does not exist. It does, people just hide it better for fear of being sued.

Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.

- W B Yeats


NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Wake me when 1 in 3 men are getting raped and we'll talk. Until then it's trite backlash. And what good are high grades anyway. Women are making less with those same higher grades. Here's 70 cents, go buy yourself a dollar.

Oh, and about the male multiple orgasm thing.. honestly.. it doesn't take that much control. Just a decent partner.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


RoziSILVER Member
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


Posted:
or an indecent partner....

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Bongo... It would appear I agree with you for a change, old friend

I celebrate that women are making more achievements, and hope that they take this opportunity to level the playing field and really make the world a more fair and productive place.

What I've noticed is that girls' scores tend to rely heavily on their amount of confidence about a subject. In my experience, when a girl feels like she doesn't know the material, regardless of how much she's studied it, she continually second-guesses herself in moments of pressure (i.e. exams) and that, rather than lack of knowledge, causes her to lose points. Girls have always been as capable of success as boys, but it's convincing them of that fact that makes things difficult, I think. Makes tutoring one hell of a challenge, believe me!

Perhaps the success is partly the result of more tolerance in society for girls to pursue their own ambitions and not just make babies like their mother before them, too. Education always seems to overcome backward value systems, and as it is made more readily available it's soon apparent that the women of an area are just as able to run things as the men who previously held them back.

I also hope the women who are fortunate enough to experience this success and achievement are also ethical enough not to use it as an excuse to dominate or exact revenge on the men they may find working below them...

[edit to add material]
I found a very interesting article that shows a little bit of the "reversal" phenomenon taking place... not to say it's a huge earth-shaking discovery or anything but it was an interesting read.

Dumb stereotypes take heart out of boys' hopes

[ 22. September 2003, 18:05: Message edited by: Dio ]

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DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
You had to go and provoke me... hehehe I've been reading up on the subject for the last hour and noticed a few facts that I believe are worth mentioning.

The biggest reason to blame for boys falling behind in schools is the overprescription of drugs for ADD such as Ritalin. Little boys are consistently told that their natural behavior is unacceptable, and when the authority figure (parent, teacher, whichever) has enough they slap a mental deficiency on the kid and call it a day. One article I read stated "research suggests that Ritalin has serious long term consequences for children, including stunting their physical and mental growth."

https://www.hisside.com/9_14_03.htm


Another element that goes with the decline of male academic performance is the way schools are now being structured. The report cited after this paragraph mentions, "Our schools are made for children who can sit still with their hands folded, who aren't distracted by a bug on the wall, who keep quiet and do what you tell them to do even if it is boring. Most girls do fine in this environment, but many boys don't."

https://www.glennsacks.com/boys_the_new.htm


I should point out that both of these articles were referenced to me by the website, ifeminists.net, a feminist (the nice kind!) website.

The final article I looked up was published by the American Center for Education, and though it is an older article it sheds a little bit of light on the fact that the claim that male students are "falling behind" might be a slight skewing of the facts. It suggests that the educational gap is more a function of income, and that, while female enrollment and graduation from college is on the increase (a GOOD thing!), comparing simply males vs females in this respect is a bit too broad to explain the phenomenon correctly.

https://www.acenet.edu/hena/issues/2000/10_23_00/men.cfm


Describing it as "men losing the battle of the sexes" kinda got my hackles up, since I don't really consider it a battle (which implies a struggle for superiority) but more of equalizing things to the way they should be. One thing I'm grateful for is the fact that our generation is that much more equal, fair, and tolerant than the generations before us. We do still have a long way to go but society's definitely trying to pull its head out of its ass, on the whole.

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


Itsgottabmember
244 posts
Location: NZ


Posted:
Dio are you calling mr bush a small man?

NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
It's strange that I'd be the one to say this, being that I'm a teacher, but:

Why are you using grades to equate success?

Females are getting better grades. And with those better grades, they are getting worse jobs, making less money, being abused and beaten more by strangers and spouses, being ignored by politicians, being ignored by the medical industry, being overlooked for promotion, being harassed at the workplace, being harassed while walking down the street for god's sake...

Yeah, they're doin' great. But at the end of the day, after being overworked, underpaid, overlooked, defeated, marginalized, raped and beaten... they can hold up their 7th grade reportcard and say "But look I got an A!"


There's a bigger picture guys.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Itsgottabmember
244 posts
Location: NZ


Posted:
it seems someone painted yours with mud NYC. the 'lot' women has improved, consider young women of today compared to their mothers, i am not saying they don't have difficulties in this world but who doesn't.

sucess or inteligence, girls excele in the current education system, because most of the teachers in primary school are women who haven't grown up, they talk endlessly about little girl 'stuff' that just tickles the hell out of the princesses obediently whorshipping them, you know the half cirlce around the 'queen'. the boys are just going 'shut the **** up with all that fairy shit' and so 'mum' says this little boys got some sort of dependence on coffee, give him more speed that sort him out. of course the boy can't express his anger cause some 'queens' been talking about fairies for the past 10 years and hes speeding off his face, so this injustice begins to brew up a 'mind set' ready to punish women in the future. But deep down inside men want to hurt women anyway and this is just our excuse

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Posted:
I think in any system which denies women rights or abuses them, it's worth asking whether the men in that system are also being abused, in different ways.

e.g. an obvious example is around the time women were denied the right to vote and men generally considered to be in the superior postion, was in fact a time when young males were routinely shipped off to face the horrors of trench warfare.

This in no way justifies what has happened to women in the past, but I think it's worth seeing the bigger picture, which is not a society that abused women, but one that abused human beings regardless of gender.

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RoziSILVER Member
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Or is it because we abuse human beings based on a stereotype of gender? The assumption that men are better cannon fodder, that work should be their first priority cos family time is "unmanly", that women aren't as dependable in the workplace as men, that they are simply goods & chattels.

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


Astarmember
1,591 posts
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.


Posted:
I really think we needs more chris rocks in the world. I think the whole racism thing started to change fast when people followed that guys career. He started off being a huge biggot, but he was makeing a point that theres no power in words if you don't let there be. That guy made it black&white simple that it's not a black&white issue. I don't follow comedians a lot because I get their points pretty quickly, but I don't see anyone who's really spending effort pokeing holes at the feminism&sexism debate without polarizing it more then it is.

KatBRONZE Member
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2,211 posts
Location: London, Wales (UK)


Posted:
Amusing

Marriage (Part I)
Typical macho man married typical good-looking lady and after the wedding, he laid down the following rules:
"I'll be home when I want, if I want and at what time I want-and I don't expect any hassle from you. I expect a great dinner to be on the table unless I tell you that I won't be home for dinner. I'll go hunting, fishing, boozing and card-playing when I want with my old buddies and don't you give me a hard time about it. Those are my rules. Any comments?"
His new bride said, "No, that's fine with me. Just understand that there will be sex here at seven o'clock every night . . whether you're here or not."
(DAMN SHE'S GOOD!)

Marriage (Part II)

Husband and wife had a bitter quarrel on the day of their 40th wedding anniversary! . The husband yells, "When you die,
I'm getting you a headstone that reads, 'Here Lies My Wife - Cold As Ever.'
"Yeah?" she replies. "When you die, I'm getting you a headstone that reads, "Here Lies My Husband Stiff At Last.'"
(HE ASKED FOR IT!)


Marriage (Part III)
Husband (a doctor) and his wife are having a fight at the breakfast table. Husband gets up in a rage and says, "And you are no good in bed either," and storms out of the house. After sometime he realizes he was nasty and decides to make amends and rings her up.

She comes to the phone after many rings, and the irritated husband says, "What took you so long to answer the phone?" She says, "I was in bed."
"In bed this early, doing what?"
"Getting a second opinion!"
(YEP, HE HAD THAT COMING, TOO!)


Marriage (Part IV)
A man has six children and is very proud of his achievement. He is so proud of himself, that he starts calling his wife," Mother of Six" in spite of her objections.

One night, they go to a party. The man decides that it's time to go home and wants to find out if his wife is ready to leave as well. He shouts at the top of his voice, "Shall we go home 'Mother ofsix?'"
His wife, irritated by her husband's lack of discretion shouts right back, "Anytime you're ready, Father of Four."
(RIGHT ON, LADY!)

God may have created man before woman but there is always a rough draft before the masterpiece.

Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.

- W B Yeats


King Of Bongoaddict
522 posts
Location: Berlin


Posted:
LOL
hehe...
i get the feeling this is gonna turn into the "sexist joke war forum"

Bring it on!!!
cept I reckon I'll stand back and laugh at everyone hehehe

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DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Not funny... infidelity is not humorous, nor is it a tool to "get even" in a relationship.

In Marriage Part I, why would she marry a guy that's that big of an ass? Annulment would be the option to go for at that time if he suddenly just manifested that attitude on the wedding day.

Marriage Part II - this one dealt more with age-related insults to virility... nothing wrong with a little bickering.

Marriage III - A woman is justified in adultery if the man criticizes her bedroom performance? And you consider this funny?

Marriage IV - humorous joke, and a good way to humiliate the guy in front of his buddies, but really all it does is make the wife look like a licentious adulteress when you think about it a second.

Please don't portray men as idiots or sex-crazed savages... a vocal minority in our gender might be worthy of that sort of stereotyping but I am certainly not like that and I am disgusted when people assume I might be before they get to know me.

If you would like to see just how drastically men ARE being squashed in matters regarding gender discrimination, check out the following links:
https://www.ncfm.org/will.htm

https://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_batteredhusbands030207.html

https://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm


Lastly a VERY interesting article that I encourage everyone to read in full... It's got a lot of very good points and really puts things in perspective.
https://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3951/sex-orbowling.html

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


Raphael96SILVER Member
old hand
899 posts
Location: New York City, USA


Posted:
I'll only participate in the "War of the Sexes" if I can take prisoners!



Raph

Itsgottabmember
244 posts
Location: NZ


Posted:
Dio i only read the last page you recommended, man that stuff seems like its written by a hurt and bitter man. each to their own. if you want to see the bad, watch it by yourself. shit thats harsh, i am sorry.

humour is the only way to go. it easies the pain.

King Of Bongoaddict
522 posts
Location: Berlin


Posted:
I agree frostypaw...
there are both men and women who are being repressed, and thats unfortunate & shouldnt happen, but I reckon everyone needs to chill out-I don't think anyone is promoting infidelity or inequality, sometimes its just fun to take sides...

to lighten up the mood...


-bloke says, "I remember the first time I used alcohol as a substitute for women."
"Yeah what happened?" asks his friend.
bloke replies, "Well, er, I got my d**k stuck in the neck of the bottle."
(don't know bout you guys out there, but small **** or big bottle????!!!! )

or ten things you will never hear a man say:

10. Here honey, you use the remote.
9. You know, I'd like to see her again, but her breasts are just toooo big.
8. Ooh, Antonio Banderas AND Brad Pitt? That's one movie I really gotta see!
7. While I'm up, can I get you anything?
6. Honey since we don't have anything else planned, will you go to the hardware store with me?
5. Sex isn't that important; sometimes, I just want to be held.
4. Why don't you go to the mall with me and help me pick out a pair of shoes?
3. Aww, forget Monday night football, Let's watch Melrose Place.
2. Hey let me hold your purse while you try that on.
1. We never talk anymore...

and just to balance things up...

ten things you will never hear a woman say:

10. What do you mean today's our anniversary?
9. Can we not talk to each other tonight? I'd rather just watch TV.
8. Ohh, this diamond ring is way too big!!
7. And for our honeymoon we're going fishing in Alaska!
6. Can our relationship get a little more physical? I'm tired of being "just friends".
5. Honey, does this outfit make my butt look too small?
4. Aww, don't stop for directions, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out how to get there.
3. Is that phone for me? Tell 'em I'm not here.
2. I don't care if it is on sale, 300 dollars is too much for a designer dress.
1. Hey, pull my finger!

LOL

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DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Hehehe sorry if I came off as rude or something but those types of jokes really aren't all that funny to me.

I react the same way when I see a joke about abusing women, or demeaning them sexually... there's limits, ya know? I remarked that the joke about the old couple was funny... it wasn't in bad taste. The thing that really irked me was Kat's "He really had that coming!" line in Marriage III... that was the only one that really got me going, the rest weren't too bad.

That last article didn't seem to me like a hurt and bitter man, so much as a guy who's seeing both sides of an issue tearing themselves and each other down in the process. I think the fact that he chose to severely overanalyze a couple of personal ads might have served to weaken his argument and portray him as a total knob to women, but he's taking a big picture and applying it to a couple of small examples, which almost never works (it's called "stereotyping" ). The overall article was quite insightful though, in my opinion - it shows how both sides of the gender conflict are really serving to widen the divisions between us.

And I thought this thread was about the "War of the Sexes?" Joke all ya want, but there are definitely some issues that need to be resolved between the two halves of humanity, and I'd just like to try and promote an understanding of that situation for everyone here.

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


KatBRONZE Member
Pooh-Bah
2,211 posts
Location: London, Wales (UK)


Posted:
Dio - a joke is a joke. I also got a very funny sexist joke teasing women the same day but it was sent to my email and I could not link it! I don't favour one gender or another when it comes to something I find amusing.

Deep breaths babes! As a woman who has been supporting her man for the past two years I most certainly do not view my partner as a lesser person for it. You know nothing about our situation and how his race and gender in this country have meant that we have struggled emotionally and financially over the past two years.

Being humourless does not mean that you take the need for gender inequality more seriously than the rest of us.



Edit: after initial flaming annoyance I see what you mean about the 'he had it coming', but it is a joke, not a recommendation that someone commit infidelity, personally I read that as 'he deserved to have that joke played on him for being nasty!' I would find it equally as amusing if it was role reversed!

[ 26. September 2003, 03:28: Message edited by: Kat ]

Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.

- W B Yeats


DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Yeah wasn't trying to target u in particular Kat, hopefully you didn't take it that way

Just got a little irked by that one joke and then I started seeing the others through that set of eyes. I'm not humorless (I DID point out that one of the jokes WAS funny), and I do unserstand that they play a part in lightening the mood around here, I've just been taking the sexual discussion very seriously since the beginning (look at my earlier posts and you'll see) and when it suddenly turned on its head to a joke I was a little bit thrown-off.

Sorry if I offended, I can tell you understand where I was coming from and I also understand you were just trying to lighten things up and generate a few laughs

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


KatBRONZE Member
Pooh-Bah
2,211 posts
Location: London, Wales (UK)


Posted:
I don't really think you are humourless Dio, I just had my head on.

Nay worries, all happy in the castle again.

Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.

- W B Yeats


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