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right...thinking about this earlier..having an arguement with simian about what was impossible and what wasnt..
he thinks that no moves are impossible..ie...all in front moves are possible behind the back.
i dont.
one such example..... behind the back corkscrew...
are there any others?
right...thinking about this earlier..having an arguement with simian about what was impossible and what wasnt..
he thinks that no moves are impossible..ie...all in front moves are possible behind the back.
i dont.
one such example..... behind the back corkscrew...
are there any others?
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um, most contact staff moves i see are isolated already, seeing as how its usually easier to move your body around the staff and keep it spinning in one position.
isolated gilligan????
how can you isolate something that isn't moving?
and whats a D-Stave?
and why is the Milka cow lilac?
um, most contact staff moves i see are isolated already, seeing as how its usually easier to move your body around the staff and keep it spinning in one position.
isolated gilligan????
how can you isolate something that isn't moving?
and whats a D-Stave?
and why is the Milka cow lilac?
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you can't.
d is for double.
and its for the same reason as why cadbury's chocolate is in purple foil.
you can't.
d is for double.
and its for the same reason as why cadbury's chocolate is in purple foil.
quote:so you never did show me @ glasto tom and you still haven't explained yourself. its all somewhat fishy...
Originally posted by +):
humm, Ive actually been practicing poi on poi stalls and they are quite possible, sorry.
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quote:you can if youre spinning in the ceiling plane, in fact its one of the first things i did with a comet (15 feet long).
you can't neckwrap if your poi are longer than that distance. [/QB]
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ha!
Cole: u can, i showed gillie iso's at glasto but only Tempest took the time to see what was going on, as for the poi-on-poi, look out for it on Col4
and no, its not like Glass's 'inverse pendulum'!
T
ha!
Cole: u can, i showed gillie iso's at glasto but only Tempest took the time to see what was going on, as for the poi-on-poi, look out for it on Col4
and no, its not like Glass's 'inverse pendulum'!
T
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can't wait for col4 man.
look out for my upcoming video; cole1
perth, that's cool - but how do you unwrap without changing direction (especially when you've got 13 feet of rope wrapped around your neck)...?
i do vertical neck wraps with a rope dart/long meteor but wrap an arm first to shorten it - with a vertical poi neck wrap (where there is no stop or change of direction to unwrap), the number of wraps possible is still limited by your height i reckon.
can't wait for col4 man.
look out for my upcoming video; cole1
perth, that's cool - but how do you unwrap without changing direction (especially when you've got 13 feet of rope wrapped around your neck)...?
i do vertical neck wraps with a rope dart/long meteor but wrap an arm first to shorten it - with a vertical poi neck wrap (where there is no stop or change of direction to unwrap), the number of wraps possible is still limited by your height i reckon.
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1) catch the rope, bend forward, then throw the comet and let the rope unravel as it travels. when its out about halfway, i yank it back, step to the side and start it swinging in the opposite direction. i can do it right about 25% of the time.
2) catch the rope, change to the wall plane, do a few weaves, go back to the ceiling plane in the opposite direction.
3) wrap a few times around my neck, then lift my arm up and let the last wrap go under my armpit so the comet hits my chest, then piroette in the opposite direction.
4) catch the rope, let it stall. throw it in the opposite direction (not glamorous, but really easy and transitions well into things like kicking it back into motion).
quote:Theres a few ways i get out of it (all of them change directions).
perth, that's cool - but how do you unwrap without changing direction (especially when you've got 13 feet of rope wrapped around your neck)...?
1) catch the rope, bend forward, then throw the comet and let the rope unravel as it travels. when its out about halfway, i yank it back, step to the side and start it swinging in the opposite direction. i can do it right about 25% of the time.
2) catch the rope, change to the wall plane, do a few weaves, go back to the ceiling plane in the opposite direction.
3) wrap a few times around my neck, then lift my arm up and let the last wrap go under my armpit so the comet hits my chest, then piroette in the opposite direction.
4) catch the rope, let it stall. throw it in the opposite direction (not glamorous, but really easy and transitions well into things like kicking it back into motion).
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Sorry, I'm only a poi dabler - Someone told me that doing a buzz saw with arms moving around poi (so flame stays still while arms circle round it) was a buzz saw isolation. Makes a lot more sense now. I was talking about doing a gilligan with the above method - flame still stays stationary; but arm is spinning around it - (then giligan around that).
D-staff varients are possable with whatever the hell I was talking about above (one end fixed with other circling it) Look particularly nice with the second staff looping the fixed point...and contact staff I thought would be funny but interesting if poss - start to look all brake dance-ish. Perfectly still fixed staff, with the person rolling around it.
Anyways sorry to interupt, just wanted to be less confusing.
I thought the Milka cow was cornflower blue not lilac? Must be a trick of the light; they always did look strange grazing on the mold in my bathroom cubbord...
P.s. It's not cruel to raise Milka cows in cubbords, not if they're agoraphobic and lactose intolenent anyway.
Sorry, I'm only a poi dabler - Someone told me that doing a buzz saw with arms moving around poi (so flame stays still while arms circle round it) was a buzz saw isolation. Makes a lot more sense now. I was talking about doing a gilligan with the above method - flame still stays stationary; but arm is spinning around it - (then giligan around that).
D-staff varients are possable with whatever the hell I was talking about above (one end fixed with other circling it) Look particularly nice with the second staff looping the fixed point...and contact staff I thought would be funny but interesting if poss - start to look all brake dance-ish. Perfectly still fixed staff, with the person rolling around it.
Anyways sorry to interupt, just wanted to be less confusing.
I thought the Milka cow was cornflower blue not lilac? Must be a trick of the light; they always did look strange grazing on the mold in my bathroom cubbord...
P.s. It's not cruel to raise Milka cows in cubbords, not if they're agoraphobic and lactose intolenent anyway.
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hmm. there should be some terminalollyogyagy... um... words to describe the difference between a plain vanilla isolation (where the handle and head of the poi rotate around a point at the middle of the chain) and a ultra-hyper-galacto-isolation (where the handle rotates around the head, which remains stationary).
Can anyone do the second type? i ain't seen nuttin like it meself.
BUT THESE MOVES ARE ALL POSSIBLE! i demand more impossible moves.
Such as five-beat weave with double staff (which due to the double-ended nature is in fact a ten-beat but ahhhhh whatever)
hmm. there should be some terminalollyogyagy... um... words to describe the difference between a plain vanilla isolation (where the handle and head of the poi rotate around a point at the middle of the chain) and a ultra-hyper-galacto-isolation (where the handle rotates around the head, which remains stationary).
Can anyone do the second type? i ain't seen nuttin like it meself.
BUT THESE MOVES ARE ALL POSSIBLE! i demand more impossible moves.
Such as five-beat weave with double staff (which due to the double-ended nature is in fact a ten-beat but ahhhhh whatever)
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ultra-hyper-galacto-isolations are silly and won't work properly as we are humans and as such are limited to moving at speeds under that required for such sillyness.
i saw glass do about 5 beats of a 'powered' isolation this weekend which is almost what you're talking about - they were some *really* small circles.
i'm disappointed simian.
suggesting impossible moves are all doable and stuff
unless you can turn off gravity, or (as i've said before) are the one and only steve austin himself, this isn't ever going to happen.
here's an impossible move:
queen pawn opening: d4 to w861.
see, this is what happens when you come to pip and hide from me all day, i'll get upset and be mean to you on the internet the day after.
fear my wrath!
ultra-hyper-galacto-isolations are silly and won't work properly as we are humans and as such are limited to moving at speeds under that required for such sillyness.
i saw glass do about 5 beats of a 'powered' isolation this weekend which is almost what you're talking about - they were some *really* small circles.
i'm disappointed simian.
suggesting impossible moves are all doable and stuff
unless you can turn off gravity, or (as i've said before) are the one and only steve austin himself, this isn't ever going to happen.
here's an impossible move:
queen pawn opening: d4 to w861.
see, this is what happens when you come to pip and hide from me all day, i'll get upset and be mean to you on the internet the day after.
fear my wrath!
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oh, ok then...
You could do em with a stick tho!
but that would be dangerously close to mime
oh, ok then...
You could do em with a stick tho!
but that would be dangerously close to mime
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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oh, come on people, just move your hands back and forth in a roundish bottomed half circle on the stall, rather than move your hands in a perfect circle around the poi, and you can do ultra hyper galactic isolations. i can do quite a few beats of them, they aren't that hard. shame on you
oh, come on people, just move your hands back and forth in a roundish bottomed half circle on the stall, rather than move your hands in a perfect circle around the poi, and you can do ultra hyper galactic isolations. i can do quite a few beats of them, they aren't that hard. shame on you
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oh cole.
I don't remember that
but I'm only interested in Isolations nowdays when they happen with the poi head circle smaller that the hand circle.
Mind you tell me about the little horizontal circles I was spinning? reverse weave extensions
where did they come from
just off to try them again.
whoop whoop
Drew
oh cole.
I don't remember that
but I'm only interested in Isolations nowdays when they happen with the poi head circle smaller that the hand circle.
Mind you tell me about the little horizontal circles I was spinning? reverse weave extensions
where did they come from
just off to try them again.
whoop whoop
Drew
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arashi - [in a super-sceptical physicist's tone of voice] i'll believe that these can look good when i see them i'm afraid dude. i'm not saying they don't work at all - it's just that they don't work in my head...
*the league against poi that bounce or wobble*
powered isolations are super fast full isolations mr glass. you did a few with the poi head circle just slightly larger than the nets and it required some serious hand pumpage...
to all from a tired coleman x
[ 30. July 2003, 02:22: Message edited by: coleman ]
arashi - [in a super-sceptical physicist's tone of voice] i'll believe that these can look good when i see them i'm afraid dude. i'm not saying they don't work at all - it's just that they don't work in my head...
*the league against poi that bounce or wobble*
powered isolations are super fast full isolations mr glass. you did a few with the poi head circle just slightly larger than the nets and it required some serious hand pumpage...
to all from a tired coleman x
[ 30. July 2003, 02:22: Message edited by: coleman ]
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"league against poi that bounce or wobble"
right on
And ugly stripy sock poi are right out.
"league against poi that bounce or wobble"
right on
And ugly stripy sock poi are right out.
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quote:Poi nazi!
Originally posted by Glåss:
And ugly stripy sock poi are right out.
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nahhh, hes the HoP Snob!
T
nahhh, hes the HoP Snob!
T
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funnily enough i was going to say the same thing.....
snob*hug*
funnily enough i was going to say the same thing.....
snob*hug*
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turn your nose up and walk away drew.
they're not worth it - don't let them drag you down to their level
turn your nose up and walk away drew.
they're not worth it - don't let them drag you down to their level
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we have enough rope tho....
we have enough rope tho....
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This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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just wanted to ask you, tom, what you have been doing with the weather for so long?
just wanted to ask you, tom, what you have been doing with the weather for so long?
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[sarcasm] Oh! HAve i got it, hold on, im shure its round there somewhere oh drat! where is it? [/sarcasm]
What on earth are you on about dear boy?
T
[sarcasm] Oh! HAve i got it, hold on, im shure its round there somewhere
What on earth are you on about dear boy?
T
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nothing to do with me.
chuck me that rope then
nothing to do with me.
chuck me that rope then
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ta cole for recognising intellect and intelligence.
bit blind that weatherman don't you think?
ta cole for recognising intellect and intelligence.
bit blind that weatherman don't you think?
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Five beat weave with d-staff is easy enough; seven beat possabable with a strange dbbl back-hand roll (both hand have to reverse face during roll for the catch to unfold properly).
As for really impossable staff stuff. How about d-reverse side corkscrews (arms crossed over chest)Might be possable with tiny staffs but going that size would burn you hands.(And if there is some insainly flexable person out there who can do that then try it with d-corkscrews in opposit directions.
As for poi; how about a Houdini straight jacket escape whiles doing a behind the back five point weave.
Five beat weave with d-staff is easy enough; seven beat possabable with a strange dbbl back-hand roll (both hand have to reverse face during roll for the catch to unfold properly).
As for really impossable staff stuff. How about d-reverse side corkscrews (arms crossed over chest)Might be possable with tiny staffs but going that size would burn you hands.(And if there is some insainly flexable person out there who can do that then try it with d-corkscrews in opposit directions.
As for poi; how about a Houdini straight jacket escape whiles doing a behind the back five point weave.
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ok then.. try an eight beat parallel weave........behind the back.
cos me and dom...sorry c@ntus.. Dom and I, belive this to be an impossible move.
ok then.. try an eight beat parallel weave........behind the back.
cos me and dom...sorry c@ntus.. Dom and I, belive this to be an impossible move.
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is an 8bt parallel weave possible in front jon?
is an 8bt parallel weave possible in front jon?
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yes...dom can do it..#
he issilly tho..
he also has silly long arms...
which is half of what Glass has who i also believe can do it.
yes...dom can do it..#
he issilly tho..
he also has silly long arms...
which is half of what Glass has who i also believe can do it.
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I have been doing Poi for about 9 days now, and for me an impossible move is not smacking myself in the head every so often, and also not getting both Poi in the unmentionables at quite a high speed...
Practice will *eventually* make perfect!
I have been doing Poi for about 9 days now, and for me an impossible move is not smacking myself in the head every so often, and also not getting both Poi in the unmentionables at quite a high speed...
Practice will *eventually* make perfect!
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