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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
at nyc's request this is my attempt at explaining how to do the most basic of the hyperloops. if anyone can do better (and i'm *sure* you can) please do - the more descriptions, the better.

okay, we start with the trusty old three beat weave.
we are going to put in a hyperloop when the poi are on your right hand side (rhs) and bring it across to the left hand side (lhs) to untangle.
as your left hand comes onto your rhs and you right hand follows, slightly split the planes of your poi so that the right hand poi comes *outside* of the left (ie. further out to the right so that the left would swing under the right armpit if we kept spinning).
keep your arms moving in the motion of the weave but at the same time, separate your hands so that they are about half your string-length away from each other.

here come da tricky bit:

you need to stop moving your hands when your right hand is at 12 o'clock and your left hand at 6 (ie. the top and bottom of a circle) the right poi should be at this point travelling down and pointing away from you (the direction you are facing) and the left poi travelling upwards and behind and away from you (having just passed your right thigh).
now, as the poi pass each other, you need to move your left hand out to the right and your right hand in towards you (to the left), tangling the strings in the process.
ideally you should aim to get the strings to cross at least halfway between the poi head and the handle.
the poi will now be spinning around a new centre where the strings have tangled.
allow each poi to complete one beat 'outside' your arms on the rhs then whip your hands over to the lhs of your body (same sort of pace as if you were doing a fast five-beat weave) making sure to keep the hands' relative distances and positions (ie. @ 12 and 6 and keeping the string taught).
the poi should spin through and end up on the 'outside' of your lhs.
if you get uneven beats on either side or a beat going between your arms you will get a knot from the depths of hell.

if everything has gone to plan, after another beat on this side the strings should separate and leave you free to slip back into a weave or into another hyperloop back the other way.

so that's my best attempt at an explanation i'm afraid.

a few extra tips i think are worth mentioning are firstly, that i tend to give a little 'push' or 'flick' to both poi (ie. speed them up very slightly), just before i tangle the strings. this seems to help carry them through the spin of the smaller circle.
secondly, i have found that to keep the string taught throughout the move, you only need pull with the hand on top (the right hand in the above example). it kinda feels like you're holding up the whole pattern as you pass it to the other side of your body.
in reverse it feels like the bottom hand that keeps the whole thing tight.

as for not having a poi 'die' (stop spinning and succumb to gravity) on the way out, this seemed to just cure itself after a little while - i think pulling the strings against each other slightly on the way out helps, as does swinging your hands quickly back into the weave motion after untangling.

[edit: speeding up *just* the poi that keeps it all stable helps the most i think - just before tangling, accelerate just the top hand for forward hyps or the bottom hand for reverse hyps.]

best of luck to those who are trying to learn off of this complete jumble of words.

coleman out.

[edit: quick note about the counting of this. the above description adds up to two beats. bringing the poi back to the rhs after the hyperloop has untangled will add another two beats, hence the whole move (a weave with a hyperloop on one side) will add up to 4bts. some people will only count the tangled beats, others will count from when strings touch to when they separate - these people are just mad ]

[ 17. July 2003, 00:11: Message edited by: coleman ]

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Posted:
*hiss, scratch, hiss*

T :grumpy:

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Posted:
well he deserved it for snobbery


but i argue beats are very useful for teaching and describibg and so if you insist they are not then you deny all beginners one stlye of swining....esp if you leave them with the dreaded...'work it out for yourself, and it will come to you and mean more...'. massively unhelpful i feel.

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Posted:
apologies fr harshness there... realise post-post so won;t edit... but just to clarify for me/cole....

spin a three beat weave... hyperloop and it becomes a 5 beat.... 5-3=2. no?


at thread title.

R

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
rob - do you ever read a whole thread or just the last three posts...?

yes, there are only two *tangled* beats in a basic hyperloop.
but i'm not counting just the tangled beats.
i'm counting how many beats there are if you spin a 3 beat weave and then stick in a hyperloop on *one side*.
hyperloop on both sides gives 5bt total. hyp on one side then surely is 4bt total...?

as far as hop is concerned, the way beats are counted is:

quote:
a beats in a move
a=total number of circles or swings before the pattern repeats
am i still wrong...?

tell ya what, if you all still think i'm mad when you get back from denmark, i'll change the title of the thread to just 'hyperloop - count it yourself'

to all.
off now to juggle me some 2's

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they do porridge."
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Posted:
nyc goes with the whole "beats are usefull for teaching thing"
and he says
"100% of the chemistry I teach is a lie." (nyc 3rd august 11pm clapham)
and its kinda like that, a slightly useful teaching aid.
so what is this... beats are just like a high school chemistry lie we tell newbies because the truth would make their head spin.
no, its a bit like telling a piano student that everytime the metronome strikes, they must press a key.

who ever said that a Basic hyperloop should be in a cross follow (weave).

anyway monkeycustardheadrob and cheesypeascan'tcountcole for symmetry...to make it into a kind of fundamental move there should be a hyperloop on both sides so we seem to be up to 7L+7R circles with 2L+2R being airwrapped
now if I was doing this on the music it would take me about 12 beats cos the 4 airwrapped beats happen at double time. (i think, too early in the morning to take out poi.)

you lot are heading for a serious hugging in a minute.

hope that threw a pigeon in the works

till we meet again...in denmark
**hugs**
drew

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Posted:
Now I'm getting a bit confused. For some reason I was thinking about beats the same way I think about syllables. When learning syllables as a kid, I was taught to clap along with my words and each clap was a syllable. While teaching myself to spin, I end up muttering directions (over-under-out-tangle-untangle-under-out-tangle-untangle... hm, my over seems to be subsumed by my untangle), and each mutter is a beat. This tends to correspond with each time the poi in my dominant hand reaches the top of a circle.

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
i reckon, symmetrical is:
hyperloop right to left with right hand on top followed by hyperloop left to right with left hand on top.
without the use of a videocamera i think that totals five beats. i really don't care - it's a bit like trying to work out the siteswap of a trick you can already juggle - just for the nerds.

nerd huddle!

outcome:
a) i can't count.
b) beats counting sucks.
c) for this move it sucks extra big.

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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NYCNYC
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Posted:
Hyperloop on the both sides symmetrically is 7 beats. Fact. Glass just did it. And I, the official HoP beat accountant, proclaim it is 7.

[3] + (1*2) + (2*1) = 7

Or did you not get that level of maths Cole? Or if you're counting in binary it's 111 beats. But it sure ain't 5.

You are wrong, Cole.

And everyone hates you. Oh no, wait, that's me.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


Motaddict
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Posted:
Quote "Can anyone post a video of this move...."

er, sneaks in virtually un-noticed.
But... is this a hyperloop, as far as my chain of thought goes it is. But i as far as beats go?????? I have'nt got a clue, I'd call it a straight hyperloop on your right side.

Hyperloop attempt

The vid is still a bit dodgy, tried to slow it down for the poi crossing eachother.

Come forth and thou shalt win enternal happiness. but he came fifth so he won an electric toatser.


colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
nyc - are you sure that's not the old imperial beats you're using?
us euro-spinners use the metric system dontcha know - care for a royale with cheese sir?

7 it is then

okay, so back to the original debate, what is it if you only do it on one side...?
five!?
mot's video looks suspiciously like four to me boys...

tell ya what - go to denmark, spin it in front of jay and get him to count it for us.
i bet you end up with a total of something like 'get those f*cking things out of my face' beats.

wanna know what i learnt this weekend?
too much sun makes my face go puffy

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Taniwhamember
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Posted:
Mot, id call that a 2bt rotation, only cause here we count the beats of the weave and also the rotation inside your arms seperately. That way u can define weather it came from a 5bt weave into a loop or whatever weave bt.

I cant really see how many rotations it did inside your arms though. Try keeping them between your arms as long as you can, its possible to get infinite rotations inside your arms (if u sort of isolate it). Is also possible to come out with the string still tangled and then go back in the other direction, although imo its real hard.

Mind u i only read the last 3 post's

Its all just smoke and mirrors


Motaddict
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Posted:
Hiya,
er no beats go through the arms, just right side cross, move to the left side and uncross, basically as simple as you can do it. Is that a two beat hyperloop?

Come forth and thou shalt win enternal happiness. but he came fifth so he won an electric toatser.


NYCNYC
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Posted:
Cole, 5 if only on one side, yes.

[3] + 1*1 + 1*1 = 5

Which translates to about $7.65 American.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


iopmember
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Posted:
it sounds like a five beat on the wall plane

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
nyc and glass.
you both are in denmark and cannot defend your position.

johnny says i was right all along

hyperloop on one side out of 3bt weave equates to a 4bt weave.
moohaahaa counted it and is cleverer at that than you and he has the best fingers for such things.
its the same as the standard wrist curl, a 'poi onto wrist' wrap or wrapping the strings but right next to the handles - all of these moves have 4 beats if you just do them on the one side.
do it just on your right hand side and you'll see that the left poi leads over to the left hand side on all of these variations.

the tangle only lasts for one of the beats (each poi head passes the six o'clock position just once during the tangle).

its four.
show me a slowmo video and i'll count them with you.

and a fountain has 12 beats.
and a waistwrap has 4.

and this marks the end of my arguing about beats around here (check that pure breed hop end of debate statement ).

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Posted:
Coleman is right.
Because I said he was.
I am right.
Because he said I was.

Monkey love is wrong.
Leave it.

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Some things you have to believe in to see.


PoiBoxmember
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Posted:
Coleman is right !

My 10 cents:

A 3 beat weave on both sides makes a 3 beat hyperloop. Video

"Half" a 5 beat weave makes a 4 beat hyperloop. Mots video (nice one btw )
Both sides combined would be 5 beat HL.

A 7 beat weave on both sides makes a 7 beat hyperloop. - Sorry no vid, but with the same hand leading like the 3 beat hyperloop only with
one extra twist of the hands . . .

... does it make sense to you

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Posted:
hi, just wanted 2 say that the instructions at the begining of this post are amazing!!!

i think i've got the basic idea on my rhs, although i dont really know what its ment to look like so cant really tell if i'm doing it right, to me it just seems like a 5bt weave thats got twisted but then untwists on the otherside..... i hope it is right though cos it took ages 2 not get tangled everytime!!!!

i've probably been teaching myself bad habits in every move i learn tho!!!!

anyhow thank you thank you thank you!!!!!
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Posted:

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood


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Posted:
I still can't quite get the hyperloops. I can wrap them on one side but when i bring them over to the left I can't get them to unwrap.....what am I doing wrong?

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
could be a whole bunch of things i'm afraid.

as i say to miss bells quite a lot, "it's not the tangle thats the skill, it's the untangling that matters".

all i can say is practice lots and watch out for where it is failing.
they're really awkward at first so don't get angry if they don't come naturally...


yay! for )spanner( - i hope you live on the ground floor though...

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Posted:
Hands up who only got hyperloops after reading Cole's instructions at the start of this thread.



Now i want similar instructions for all other moves you can do. In your own time...

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Posted:
what about his incredible '1 hour' trick?


(skinning up that is )

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RicheeBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Rob - '1 hour' trick?

Hyper-what

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Posted:
ubblol @ spanner

simian - what do you want a description of next then sir (can you tell my evening courses are coming to a close)?
i'll chuck it my post-modernist thread since that actually started out as an attempt to share ideas on pendula... rolleyes:
i think so far on hop i've described the most basic hyperloop i know and like i said before, some pendula ideas.

i won't describe - moves that invlove the word 'beats', fountains and waistwraps, isolated moves.
in fact, thats about all i do i think!
still, if there is anything else i'd be happy to do some extra typing - i've kind of neglected poi moves for the last few months...

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Posted:
Quote:

Hands up who only got hyperloops after reading Cole's instructions at the start of this thread.





wave over here too.

I wouldn't mind knowing the theory behind hyperloop outside, bring it into the middle and use isolations to keep it tangled and and then outside to exit but I wouldn't ask you to explain that. wink ubbangel


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Posted:
Quote:

I wouldn't mind knowing the theory behind hyperloop outside, bring it into the middle and use isolations to keep it tangled and and then outside to exit but I wouldn't ask you to explain that. wink ubbangel




good cos i can't do that wink

i've started getting decent 180's out of tangled buzzsaws (going low on the turn) but never use an isolation motion.

on friday i worked out a 360 bf hyperloop thingy (my first tight bf hyp) which i'd forgotten until just now smile

in fact, they're the only two new things i've learnt with poi in *ages*.

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Posted:
I agree with coleman.. I can do 180 and 360 turns with hyperloops, but not using isolated motions... however... when doing the corckscrew ones, I started out suing isolations and then stopped after finding it was easier to do it without them...


edit: nevermind I'm a dumb@$$... I do a somewhat isolation on my turns but I don't think that really counts since I only move my hands 180 and not the whole circle.. <-- meaning half an isolation circle not a full isolation circle..

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Posted:
Quote:

I started out suing isolations and then stopped after finding it was easier to do it without them...



eek ubblol ubblol ubblol


did you win?

or did they settle?


hehe


R wink

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Posted:
settled out of court... they didn't want the humilating media attn that would be brought to a case in america these days...



go warped judicial systems..



spank <--me

^-- them



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