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Posted:
Another way of explaining the world... wiki's conservative "counterpart"!
https://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
Another way of explaining the world... wiki's conservative "counterpart"!
https://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
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"Posting of obscenity here is punishable by up to 10 years in jail under 18 USC § 1470."
do you reckon they try to extradite me?
check out the 'Example of Bias in Wikipedia' bit - highly amusing... such as this gem\
"Polls show that about twice as many Americans identify themselves as "conservative" compared with "liberal", and that ratio has been increasing for two decades.[4] But on Wikipedia, about three times as many editors identify themselves as "liberal" compared with "conservative".[5] That suggests Wikipedia is six times more liberal than the American public."
Can we have NYC to tell us what mark one of his student would get if they used that maths?
this website is clearly going to give me hours of entertainment...
"Posting of obscenity here is punishable by up to 10 years in jail under 18 USC § 1470."
do you reckon they try to extradite me?
check out the 'Example of Bias in Wikipedia' bit - highly amusing... such as this gem\
"Polls show that about twice as many Americans identify themselves as "conservative" compared with "liberal", and that ratio has been increasing for two decades.[4] But on Wikipedia, about three times as many editors identify themselves as "liberal" compared with "conservative".[5] That suggests Wikipedia is six times more liberal than the American public."
Can we have NYC to tell us what mark one of his student would get if they used that maths?
this website is clearly going to give me hours of entertainment...
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Oh it's hilarious... I recommend their 'Evolution' pages...
Oh it's hilarious... I recommend their 'Evolution' pages...
Eww, Liza Minelli...
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Posted:
"conservapedia jumps to number 1" - yeah, cos everyone is looking at it for a joke.
And whats with "Wanted: more administrators who live in the European or Asian time zones."
yet,
"Conservapedia is an online resource and meeting place where we give full credit to Christianity and America."
this site is going to be hours of frustrating reading that is going to make me want to slap some morons. They're accusing Wikipedia of bias? omg, these guys are nuts.
in more serious concerns however, this kind of site is dangerous. Not to mention the exitance of such people!
So you can be European or Asian and apply, you just need to give full credit of YOUR work to another country!?
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"conservapedia jumps to number 1" - yeah, cos everyone is looking at it for a joke.
And whats with "Wanted: more administrators who live in the European or Asian time zones."
yet,
"Conservapedia is an online resource and meeting place where we give full credit to Christianity and America."
this site is going to be hours of frustrating reading that is going to make me want to slap some morons. They're accusing Wikipedia of bias? omg, these guys are nuts.
in more serious concerns however, this kind of site is dangerous. Not to mention the exitance of such people!
So you can be European or Asian and apply, you just need to give full credit of YOUR work to another country!?
EDITED_BY: Rouge Dragon (1173940823)
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
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I highly recomend https://www.wickerpedia.org/ Clearly someone willing to take a joke as far as it will go...
I highly recomend https://www.wickerpedia.org/ Clearly someone willing to take a joke as far as it will go...
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And six times more computer literate?
We all know where the dumb people vote. Twice.
Written by: Dentrassi
"Polls show that about twice as many Americans identify themselves as "conservative" compared with "liberal", and that ratio has been increasing for two decades.[4] But on Wikipedia, about three times as many editors identify themselves as "liberal" compared with "conservative".[5] That suggests Wikipedia is six times more liberal than the American public."
And six times more computer literate?
We all know where the dumb people vote. Twice.
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I think they said "people living in Asian and European time zones", not "Asian or European people". I.e., probably conservative expats.
I do like their discussions on articles requested to be deleted, that's quite sweet. They weren't sure for example if there should be one on premarital sex, cause there's none on sex in the first place, but clearly people had to be warned that "something like that is out there".
There is a creationist wiki somewhere, too, can't remember the link though.
And yay for the wicker thing
I think they said "people living in Asian and European time zones", not "Asian or European people". I.e., probably conservative expats.
I do like their discussions on articles requested to be deleted, that's quite sweet. They weren't sure for example if there should be one on premarital sex, cause there's none on sex in the first place, but clearly people had to be warned that "something like that is out there".
There is a creationist wiki somewhere, too, can't remember the link though.
And yay for the wicker thing
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should i volunteer to be a moderator? i could act all holier-than-f***en-thou for a couple of weeks then wreak havoc.
should i volunteer to be a moderator? i could act all holier-than-f***en-thou for a couple of weeks then wreak havoc.
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Go on then
Go on then
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Time will tell with this thing...I'll try and remember to bump this thread in two years just to see how much this thing's grown in comparison to Wiki.
They're probably looking for moderators in other time zones to combat vandalism. Over on one of the vegetarian/meat threads there was mention of vandalism to Wiki's McDonald's page and it was being fixed by Wiki admins as fast as we could bring up the page, read the new entries, and post about them.
Since I'm on a proxy server, I'm banned from anonymously updating Wiki ( for repeated vandalism ) I got so pissed off about it I actually contacted Wiki admins about it ( innocent ) and that's one thing they told me....They have admins standing by, especially in those busy after school hours, watching for false entries.
You do have to create an account to edit conservapedia though..but so what..you could still straighten out a few things from a public computer, if your afraid of the 10 years in jail threat.
Time will tell with this thing...I'll try and remember to bump this thread in two years just to see how much this thing's grown in comparison to Wiki.
They're probably looking for moderators in other time zones to combat vandalism. Over on one of the vegetarian/meat threads there was mention of vandalism to Wiki's McDonald's page and it was being fixed by Wiki admins as fast as we could bring up the page, read the new entries, and post about them.
Since I'm on a proxy server, I'm banned from anonymously updating Wiki ( for repeated vandalism ) I got so pissed off about it I actually contacted Wiki admins about it ( innocent ) and that's one thing they told me....They have admins standing by, especially in those busy after school hours, watching for false entries.
You do have to create an account to edit conservapedia though..but so what..you could still straighten out a few things from a public computer, if your afraid of the 10 years in jail threat.
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Really? I thought it was more like number 2...
Written by: Rouge Dragon
"conservapedia jumps to number 1"
Really? I thought it was more like number 2...
Eww, Liza Minelli...
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Curious...I just pulled this link from the front page of conservapedia...wonder why they published it ?
Curious...I just pulled this link from the front page of conservapedia...wonder why they published it ?
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Just by way of comparison:
Wikipedia article on Conservapedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia
Conservapedia article on Wikipedia - https://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia
Just by way of comparison:
Wikipedia article on Conservapedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia
Conservapedia article on Wikipedia - https://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia
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is it something that i would use as a factual source, no
but
everyone is up in arms about free speech and all that...this is what they are doing, you may not agree and may see it as silly but you don't have to use it. you don't even have to look at it.
EDITED_BY: faithinfire (1173993072)
is it something that i would use as a factual source, no
but
everyone is up in arms about free speech and all that...this is what they are doing, you may not agree and may see it as silly but you don't have to use it. you don't even have to look at it.
EDITED_BY: faithinfire (1173993072)
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i don't know, the articles themselves don't seem that bad. i do think that wiki has a little bias not as much as consv, but they aren't hurting anyone
i don't know, the articles themselves don't seem that bad. i do think that wiki has a little bias not as much as consv, but they aren't hurting anyone
Faith
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Here's the creationist wiki
https://creationwiki.org/Main_Page
check out the first line of the evolution vs creationism article featured on the front page;
"Evolutionism is the belief in the theory that life on Earth is simply the result of random, natural processes, and ultimately attempts to explain the existence of humans by means other than divine creation."
Evolutionism- classic
Here's the creationist wiki
https://creationwiki.org/Main_Page
check out the first line of the evolution vs creationism article featured on the front page;
"Evolutionism is the belief in the theory that life on Earth is simply the result of random, natural processes, and ultimately attempts to explain the existence of humans by means other than divine creation."
Evolutionism- classic
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Free speech is a difficult one. Most people accept it as a right in a civilized society while simultaneously demanding punishment for those publishing racist exhortations to violence or obscene materials particularly when children are involved.
While some restrictions are clearly necessary I see no need to restrict rascist, creationist, or conservative literature.
I can understand why people would want to restrict racist literature in particular, but I think that so long as there is no incitement to violence it should be allowed.
It may not make the world a better place in most peoples eyes. It may be prejudice and insulting. Nevertheless i think you have to trust the people to make their own decisions rather than enforcing an orthodox view through censorship.
Free speech is a difficult one. Most people accept it as a right in a civilized society while simultaneously demanding punishment for those publishing racist exhortations to violence or obscene materials particularly when children are involved.
While some restrictions are clearly necessary I see no need to restrict rascist, creationist, or conservative literature.
I can understand why people would want to restrict racist literature in particular, but I think that so long as there is no incitement to violence it should be allowed.
It may not make the world a better place in most peoples eyes. It may be prejudice and insulting. Nevertheless i think you have to trust the people to make their own decisions rather than enforcing an orthodox view through censorship.
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how is it mindless ignorance?
they are working on editing and proper citation...
the articles that i read were not racist in the least, they weren't homophobic-they even admit to articles needing work, removal of bias and citations
wiki should not be used as a source and neither should conserv...they can however be used to start research and finding resources through the citations
if you don't like it don't use it. don't visit it.
how is it mindless ignorance?
they are working on editing and proper citation...
the articles that i read were not racist in the least, they weren't homophobic-they even admit to articles needing work, removal of bias and citations
wiki should not be used as a source and neither should conserv...they can however be used to start research and finding resources through the citations
if you don't like it don't use it. don't visit it.
Faith
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A lot of places don't accept wikipedia as a source.
I don't think it is just things like racism that can make these things dangerous. It's fundamentalist Christianity and as we know from the state of the world today, just how bad fundamentalist ANYTHING can be a worry.
Eg, the first line of the entry for Australia mentions that its secular. And personally, I think that if they're going to be starting entries for each country with a line about their religious inclination then that in itself breeds the wrong kind of important information and judging countries by their religious preference which is just as dangerous as juding people by their sexual pfererence or skin colour etc. It doesnt sound as bad as saying "Australia is a country full of caucasians with a few asians and natives" but in it's own way it still breeds the same kind of contempt.
So back to Ctrl+V's post, (i love that nickname for you!
) no-one is posting "asians are a race of slitty eyed whatever" but saying "asians are a race of buddhists" is still a gross generalisation that has its own problems.
A lot of places don't accept wikipedia as a source.
I don't think it is just things like racism that can make these things dangerous. It's fundamentalist Christianity and as we know from the state of the world today, just how bad fundamentalist ANYTHING can be a worry.
Eg, the first line of the entry for Australia mentions that its secular. And personally, I think that if they're going to be starting entries for each country with a line about their religious inclination then that in itself breeds the wrong kind of important information and judging countries by their religious preference which is just as dangerous as juding people by their sexual pfererence or skin colour etc. It doesnt sound as bad as saying "Australia is a country full of caucasians with a few asians and natives" but in it's own way it still breeds the same kind of contempt.
So back to Ctrl+V's post, (i love that nickname for you!
) no-one is posting "asians are a race of slitty eyed whatever" but saying "asians are a race of buddhists" is still a gross generalisation that has its own problems. i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
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I'm a bit stuck as for how it constitutes freedom of speech if there's heavy censoring involved.
I'm a bit stuck as for how it constitutes freedom of speech if there's heavy censoring involved.
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Try as I might..I couldn't find any real examples of racism in conservapedia..maybe I'd better hop on over to redneckapedia.
87....do you consider the teachings of ALL religions to be propaganda..or just Christianity ? For instance..do you condemn the Muslim idea of creationism, which more closely follows intelligent design theory, to be equally as comtemptable as Christian creationism. How about Sikh stories of creationism.?
Mascot...well said.
Try as I might..I couldn't find any real examples of racism in conservapedia..maybe I'd better hop on over to redneckapedia.
87....do you consider the teachings of ALL religions to be propaganda..or just Christianity ? For instance..do you condemn the Muslim idea of creationism, which more closely follows intelligent design theory, to be equally as comtemptable as Christian creationism. How about Sikh stories of creationism.?
Mascot...well said.
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Faith
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https://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia
https://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia
Written by: American Heritage Dictionary
propaganda
n.
1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
3. Propaganda Roman Catholic Church A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.
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so I searched for sex!
https://www.conservapedia.com/Sex
"This page has been deleted, and protected to prevent re-creation"
And vor annoyance, I looked up: evolution:
https://www.conservapedia.com/Theory_of_evolution
Youst look at the titles of the refences at the bottom and you can imagine the rest of the "article", and its bias.
EDITED_BY: Glåss (1174079679)
so I searched for sex!
https://www.conservapedia.com/Sex
"This page has been deleted, and protected to prevent re-creation"
And vor annoyance, I looked up: evolution:
https://www.conservapedia.com/Theory_of_evolution
Youst look at the titles of the refences at the bottom and you can imagine the rest of the "article", and its bias.
EDITED_BY: Glåss (1174079679)
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don't like it then don't use it, don't visit it
as for the uncyclopedia thing, how absolutely closeminded and offensive is that.
it seems like everyone is welcome to their own beliefs except for christians
it's unfair and discrimatory
don't like it then don't use it, don't visit it
as for the uncyclopedia thing, how absolutely closeminded and offensive is that.
it seems like everyone is welcome to their own beliefs except for christians
it's unfair and discrimatory
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Yes, but as ctrl+v said, it's not about people who have the choice, its' about people who dont have the choice. It breeds contempt. Remember those little neo-nazi twins? They're produced by being pumped full of propaganda. And while it's different to what's on conservapedia, its the same sort of family they're coming from.
And it's not that "everyone is welcome to their belief except for christians" forget the fact that the site is christian. pretend for a minute its the church of small spotted giraffes and they're portraying an incredibly biased site rejecting all facts of the world and are promoting their own beliefs to the expense of all others. That's still dangerous (pretending that this church has such a strong following as christianity).
Oh, not to mention that if such an islamic site existed, the CIA would have spies on it. THAT'S discriminatory!
Yes, but as ctrl+v said, it's not about people who have the choice, its' about people who dont have the choice. It breeds contempt. Remember those little neo-nazi twins? They're produced by being pumped full of propaganda. And while it's different to what's on conservapedia, its the same sort of family they're coming from.
And it's not that "everyone is welcome to their belief except for christians" forget the fact that the site is christian. pretend for a minute its the church of small spotted giraffes and they're portraying an incredibly biased site rejecting all facts of the world and are promoting their own beliefs to the expense of all others. That's still dangerous (pretending that this church has such a strong following as christianity).
Oh, not to mention that if such an islamic site existed, the CIA would have spies on it. THAT'S discriminatory!
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
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But we do like it.
It's the funniest thing on the planet!
It's down at the moment, but check out the articles on the Homosexual agenda and the picture on Unicorns.
If stupid people weren't entitled to their own opinions where would comedy be?
Written by: faithinfire
don't like it then don't use it, don't visit it
But we do like it.
It's the funniest thing on the planet!
It's down at the moment, but check out the articles on the Homosexual agenda and the picture on Unicorns.
If stupid people weren't entitled to their own opinions where would comedy be?
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Rouge Dragon..that has got to be one of the best sidestepping an issue posts I've ever seen. You wouldn't happen to be heading for a career in politics would you ?
Why bother pretending that it's a giraffe church, when we have several, real, religions that also feature creation myths ? Shinto..for instance also boasts a hilarious account of how the world came into being.
I'm just having a hard time coming to grips with the idea that it's ok to mock Christians for their beliefs, yet it's somehow racist and discriminatory to mock any other religions beliefs. At least uncyclopedia is with the equal opportunity mocking program. ( see their entry on new age )
The whole thing just seems kind of lop sided to me. Why should Christian beliefs and teachings be considered any more "dangerous" or biased than any of the other weird things that millions of people believe in ?
Would you consider the CIA having spies on a white supremacist site as discriminatory as having them on as Islamic site ?
Rouge Dragon..that has got to be one of the best sidestepping an issue posts I've ever seen. You wouldn't happen to be heading for a career in politics would you ?
Why bother pretending that it's a giraffe church, when we have several, real, religions that also feature creation myths ? Shinto..for instance also boasts a hilarious account of how the world came into being.
I'm just having a hard time coming to grips with the idea that it's ok to mock Christians for their beliefs, yet it's somehow racist and discriminatory to mock any other religions beliefs. At least uncyclopedia is with the equal opportunity mocking program. ( see their entry on new age )
The whole thing just seems kind of lop sided to me. Why should Christian beliefs and teachings be considered any more "dangerous" or biased than any of the other weird things that millions of people believe in ?
Would you consider the CIA having spies on a white supremacist site as discriminatory as having them on as Islamic site ?
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I feel I should make my own point clear here... I didn't post the link because I wanted to have a go at Christians, if I had to identify myself with any religion it'd be Christianity, if more because I've been brought up with it than because of any scientific rational reasons.
I just object to the idea of explaining the world with a political and/or religious bias. "Liberal" in my opinion means being open to new ideas and scientific evidence, not necessarily being left-wing or atheist. I've met lots of left-wing people who were about as liberal as George W. But I disagree with people dismissing "liberal" attitudes as harmful to society or AGAINST their point of view - being liberal to me means to look at things from a somewhat neutral point of view and to not dismiss any ideas because they conflict with ideology.
The reason I find it easier to criticise a Christian-conservative-based wikipedia imitation is that I've grown up in a Christian-conservative area of the world and know more about it than, say, shintoism or islam. But whatever religious background someone has, I think it should be obvious that an encyclopedia, no matter how detailed or basic, based on religious or political ideas can only be subjective and flawed.
I feel I should make my own point clear here... I didn't post the link because I wanted to have a go at Christians, if I had to identify myself with any religion it'd be Christianity, if more because I've been brought up with it than because of any scientific rational reasons.
I just object to the idea of explaining the world with a political and/or religious bias. "Liberal" in my opinion means being open to new ideas and scientific evidence, not necessarily being left-wing or atheist. I've met lots of left-wing people who were about as liberal as George W. But I disagree with people dismissing "liberal" attitudes as harmful to society or AGAINST their point of view - being liberal to me means to look at things from a somewhat neutral point of view and to not dismiss any ideas because they conflict with ideology.
The reason I find it easier to criticise a Christian-conservative-based wikipedia imitation is that I've grown up in a Christian-conservative area of the world and know more about it than, say, shintoism or islam. But whatever religious background someone has, I think it should be obvious that an encyclopedia, no matter how detailed or basic, based on religious or political ideas can only be subjective and flawed.
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Birgit..I didn't figure you were having a go..but I did expect the usual round of Christian mocking as soon as I saw the link..and punched in evolution ( knowing what I'd find )
I too object to oversimplifying the world with religious bias, cause lets face it there's some aspects of the human condition that Christianity and a myriad of other religions have gotten just plain wrong. Granted that a lot of these beliefs were "thought up" when access to real world information was severely limited when held up to what we know today..and the refusal for religion to update their tenets is, IMO, somewhat perplexing.
For instance..would homosexuality no longer be classed as a sin under Christian doctrine were scientists to discover a "gay gene" I think not, unfortunately. I more suspect that Christians would come up with something like God invented the gay gene in order to give some of us a "challenge" to overcome,,,either that..or Satan's been messing with the genetic code.
You raise an interesting point in the possible reasons that there's such a polarization against Christianity because it's something we're all brought up with...to different degrees...and in order to consider one's self "progressive" one needs a standard to compare one's progressiveness to.
I too, used to do the anti-Christian thing, but thinking back on it, it was more of a teenage rebellion thing than anything else ( that, and I thought they were lying to me ) then it dawned on me..no matter how exotic the appeal of "other" religions was, I still couldn't shake the thought that they too were just as non-scientific or non liberal ( to use your definition ) as Christianity.
Yea..ok..I used to own a pet crystal..and seek wisdom by talking to trees...but the crystal didn't purr,,and the trees were about as insightful as praying to God was. Granted, there's valuable lessons to be learned in the teachings of most religions, but I found those lessons could be absorbed without the deference to them being created by "some higher power"...well.....maybe someone who's smarter than me.
Belief is indeed a strange and wonderful thing and it does have it's place, it just sometimes looses sight of where that place actually is.
Birgit..I didn't figure you were having a go..but I did expect the usual round of Christian mocking as soon as I saw the link..and punched in evolution ( knowing what I'd find )
I too object to oversimplifying the world with religious bias, cause lets face it there's some aspects of the human condition that Christianity and a myriad of other religions have gotten just plain wrong. Granted that a lot of these beliefs were "thought up" when access to real world information was severely limited when held up to what we know today..and the refusal for religion to update their tenets is, IMO, somewhat perplexing.
For instance..would homosexuality no longer be classed as a sin under Christian doctrine were scientists to discover a "gay gene" I think not, unfortunately. I more suspect that Christians would come up with something like God invented the gay gene in order to give some of us a "challenge" to overcome,,,either that..or Satan's been messing with the genetic code.
You raise an interesting point in the possible reasons that there's such a polarization against Christianity because it's something we're all brought up with...to different degrees...and in order to consider one's self "progressive" one needs a standard to compare one's progressiveness to.
I too, used to do the anti-Christian thing, but thinking back on it, it was more of a teenage rebellion thing than anything else ( that, and I thought they were lying to me ) then it dawned on me..no matter how exotic the appeal of "other" religions was, I still couldn't shake the thought that they too were just as non-scientific or non liberal ( to use your definition ) as Christianity.
Yea..ok..I used to own a pet crystal..and seek wisdom by talking to trees...but the crystal didn't purr,,and the trees were about as insightful as praying to God was. Granted, there's valuable lessons to be learned in the teachings of most religions, but I found those lessons could be absorbed without the deference to them being created by "some higher power"...well.....maybe someone who's smarter than me.
Belief is indeed a strange and wonderful thing and it does have it's place, it just sometimes looses sight of where that place actually is.
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Posted:
Saw this recently and thought it relevant.
One of my biggest problems with organised faith is, it depends far too much on ignorance. Willful in many cases.
The whole ID/evolution thing makes many of the ID people look like a bunch of ignoramuses, who don't have a clue about even the most basic facts of genetics. In my opinion things have gone backwards in many religious circles since a Russian monk by the name of Mendelev first studied inheritance and started the field off several hundred years ago.
The thing is I am a religious person, except I realise that there is only a tiny grain of truth hidden away in all the teachings, as they have been retold, retranslated and twisted out of all recognition by self serving preachers and priests for thousands of years.
Saw this recently and thought it relevant.
Written by: H. P. Lovecraft
The most merciful thing in the world ... is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality... That we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.�
One of my biggest problems with organised faith is, it depends far too much on ignorance. Willful in many cases.
The whole ID/evolution thing makes many of the ID people look like a bunch of ignoramuses, who don't have a clue about even the most basic facts of genetics. In my opinion things have gone backwards in many religious circles since a Russian monk by the name of Mendelev first studied inheritance and started the field off several hundred years ago.
The thing is I am a religious person, except I realise that there is only a tiny grain of truth hidden away in all the teachings, as they have been retold, retranslated and twisted out of all recognition by self serving preachers and priests for thousands of years.
You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.
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