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Login/Join to ParticipateHOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Well I'm a happy boy. I'm happy because after 6 years of watching our country and world get completely trashed, people in the U.S. finally realized that it wasn't making them any safer, richer, or better.
More importantly, I was beginning to seriously wonder if the United States was still a constitutional republic of democratic states or whether the Republicans had committed so much voter fraud that they had silenced the People and made this into a dictatorship.
Last night's election proved to me that we still do have a voice and it renewed just a teensy amount of faith in my own country. And you have no idea how immensely happy that makes me.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
grrr with election results
we are ALWAYS at war?
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
The GOP is at it again. Bush is pushing them to get through a bill that would allow him to wiretap international communications without a warrant before the Democrats take over the Congress in January.
Hopefully someone will block it.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
dude you know they want to tap your
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Pooh-Bah
1,762 posts
Location: York University, United Kingdom
Watchwolf with a Master Decoy?
I'm always amused by the names of the parties.
Democrat
Republican
Aren't they the same thing? You can't have an Autocratic Republic, and you can't have a Republic without Democracy...
Or can you?
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
its better than the whigs
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Written by: Sethis
Watchwolf with a Master Decoy?
I'm always amused by the names of the parties.
Democrat
Republican
Aren't they the same thing? You can't have an Autocratic Republic, and you can't have a Republic without Democracy...
Or can you?
They're two extremes of a continum. You can give the elected politicians huge amounts of power or you can give them little power at all and require that the populace vote on everything.
An example would be a tax budget. You could have one extreme where the elected official would just set taxes and another extreme where there would have to be a majority vote to implement new taxes. Some districts where I work allow for citizens to vote for tax increases for schools and such.
But the origin of the words "Democrat" and "Republican" have an interesting history. They even flipped from what they originally meant. Look it up if you're interested.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
the etymology of the word 'whigs' is pretty cool too
cole x
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
nyc: i thought so but i didn't feel like posting and being wrong
i thought only one switched
isn't the economy doing better? i thought i read that some place
so do we want dems coming in and messing with stuff
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Written by: faithinfire
isn't the economy doing better? i thought i read that some place
so do we want dems coming in and messing with stuff
Bingo.
Everybody looky here.
Iraq war kills hundreds of thousands, gay marriage ban, abortion ban, loss of civil liberties, government wire tapping, patriot act, deficit spending, taxing the poor, destryoing the environment... all goes out the window when somebody thinks the dems might hurt the economy.
I'll step over dead people if it means I can have another dollar in my pocket.
Welcome to America.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
ok
the point of post-they have been whining about the economy and how he has ruined it and blah blah blah
yay for some of those bans
the other things are not good, i agree, some not spot on
i have yet to notice a loss my my liberties, my phone was tapped and for good reason and my friends are fighting in iraq and afganistan...
i was asking a question with an observation, that was too flippant
i say screw the parties and their systems
and
you for trying to put me into a category like that-yes- all i worry about is money-i must get more things, spend buy spend buy Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Fair enough.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
sorry for yelling-i get defensive, especially now that patriarch is gone
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
He is?
We should have at least had a going away party.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
well, if he has been around he has been very quiet
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada
What does Patriarch have to do with your defensiveness ?
I miss him, but I guess full time school and a family can really eat into your free time.
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
sooo not talking to you
stop trying to start something
i didn't know where he was-we agreed most of the time and the defensiveness comes from the fact that i must stand alone against people like you who try and find something wrong with everything i say
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
member
186 posts
Location: San Francisco, USA
Written by: faithinfire
isn't the economy doing better? i thought i read that some place
so do we want dems coming in and messing with stuff
The economy is indeed doing better.
FOR THE RICH.
For the rest of us, in some areas things are getting worse than the Depression.
Sure, money is moving around more again, and they use the numbers to fool us-- hardly anyone is actually seeing the benefit. When the Republicans say "oh no, the Democrats are going to raise your taxes!!" they're talking to the rich, who've been getting tax -breaks- for years.
"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X
Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada
It was soooo posted on an open internet discussion forum.
I'm not trying to "start" anything.
My apologies for the lemming thing. If it bothers you so much, I'll never question anything you say again.
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Written by: Sethis
You can't have an Autocratic Republic
The People's Republic of China?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
59 posts
Location: Netherlands
sooo not talking to you
stop trying to start something
i didn't know where he was-we agreed most of the time and the defensiveness comes from the fact that i must stand alone against people like you who try and find something wrong with everything i say
Now, I don't know who you are or who this Patriarch character is, 'cause I'm fairly new here; but if you're that worried about being attacked and having no defence it might be an idea to reconsider your position. Arguments (in theory) only have one conclusion, and it usually involves both parties being partially wrong. If your mission is to convince others and not listen to what they have to say, you should stop banging your head against that brick wall.
(This isn't a personal attack, it's much more general, but your post sparked the thought in my head.)
Joe x
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
it's just that it seems because i have a different view (somewhat vastly) i must be wrong.
Galileo was in the minority.
I do listen, i actually went to school for mediation, but it feels as though i am not listened to and i must listen to everyone
because people do not agree with me is not the same as me not have a defense-it's just not one that they like
and by the way, those rich people tax breaks-i have felt big time. i get more money back now after my refund...we also have rent relief which is very nice. i am by no means rich and have been bouncing around with places to live and jobs and etc
(i understand it was not a personal attack and thank you, i appreciate you saying so-no sarcasm-for real)
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
6,650 posts
Written by: Doc Lightning
Well I'm a happy boy. I'm happy because after 6 years of watching our country and world get completely trashed, people in the U.S. finally realized that it wasn't making them any safer, richer, or better.
More importantly, I was beginning to seriously wonder if the United States was still a constitutional republic of democratic states or whether the Republicans had committed so much voter fraud that they had silenced the People and made this into a dictatorship.
Last night's election proved to me that we still do have a voice and it renewed just a teensy amount of faith in my own country. And you have no idea how immensely happy that makes me.
But now - after all those years of people feeding the conspiracy frenzy - is democracy working in the US again? But why now all of a sudden?
the best smiles are the ones you lead to 
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Written by: faithinfire
Galileo was in the minority.
he was indeed
he was mainly a scientific, free-thinking genius supressed by the church.
but i liked that comparison - thanks faith
cole. x
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Written by: FireTom
But now - after all those years of people feeding the conspiracy frenzy - is democracy working in the US again? But why now all of a sudden?
I think people got fed up and we had a bloodless revolution.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
mike you drama queen!the revolution of 1688 pretty much saw the beginning of parliamentary democracy!
you've still got the same government (okay, not exactly the same but it hasn't been replaced) and the same crap system of voting that you had before - it was a long way from a revolution, in any sense of the word.
but really, midterms get far lower voter turnout than congressional elections do and everyone knows it - the real test will come in two years time...
cole. x
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Indeed. I can't see very much change coming from this.
Except, of course, setting up Giuliani for President. (Or Mc. Cain)
You really think this country is ready for a black or female president?
The black president got killed on 24 and the female president got cancelled mid season.
But Giuliani... he saved New York.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Translation for those not up on your US politics:
Two Republican Presidential Frontrunners for '08:
John McCain:
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And Rudy Giuliani:
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Two Democratic Presidential Frontrunners for '08:
Barack Obama:
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And you all remember Hillary Clinton:
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The sad thing is I looked up Hillary to find an image of her to post and the entire first page of images were jokes about her and sexual photoshopping. There are definitely some people that aren't ready for a female president.
For those that want a bigger list of possible candidates.
And yes, of course, the presidental election is FAR away and much WILL change.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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old hand
722 posts
Location: United Kingdom
gotta say it, it doesn't matter who wins, they'll all make war for oil and screw the public over.
To you who has been accessing my online accounts, changing my login details, locations and posting 
about me, realise, you are not worth revenge, you are not worth my attention, you are nothing, and that is all you ever will be.
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
ah, sunbird - the eternal optimist
cole. x
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
old hand
722 posts
Location: United Kingdom
dude, it's true lol, anyway, I AM optimistic, just in a different way to most people lol
To you who has been accessing my online accounts, changing my login details, locations and posting about me, realise, you are not worth revenge, you are not worth my attention, you are nothing, and that is all you ever will be.
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