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Posted:
Yo,
common then, this sounds a bit like the helix stuff glass was being so elusive about,
if its what i think it is (moving the centre of rotation from handle to head through the course of the move) then i can figure it horisontal but not vertical, any good examples or starting tricks to get the idea??
T
Yo,
common then, this sounds a bit like the helix stuff glass was being so elusive about,
if its what i think it is (moving the centre of rotation from handle to head through the course of the move) then i can figure it horisontal but not vertical, any good examples or starting tricks to get the idea??
T
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Posted:
It's got nothing to do with helix I think...
It's got nothing to do with helix I think...
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Posted:
Well, right now I see it horizontal and vertical with hyperloops
for example.
You start with orbit close to hands and than you stretch your hands to move it.
Edit: And some contact moves seems to be usefull too.
:R
EDITED_BY: Richee (1123420410)
Well, right now I see it horizontal and vertical with hyperloops
for example.
You start with orbit close to hands and than you stretch your hands to move it.
Edit: And some contact moves seems to be usefull too.
:R
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Posted:
you can do it with any inversion.. you can start with a move that twists around the elbows and run the twist all the way down the string to the poi head by the time it comes out the other side.. if you trun at the end of the inversion, into another inversion (say fwd one way, turn into reverse) then you can isolate the reverse and bring it from poi head back to the wrist.. going back isnt that cool.. imo..
I mentioned this [Old link] but you'll have to scroll up to the post made on 7/9/05, since the search engine doesnt acknowledge that I made any posts between 7/7/05 and 7/10/05..
its a step between doing sloppy higher degree inversions and clean higher degree inversions.. but I'm not atom master either.. nor have I applied this much to atoms.. so I'm sure arashi is on to something I hadn't seen yet..
I just don't see where the foating center of spin (contour gradients) is mighter than the 3 dimensional center of spin (atoms).. since they are, imo, two different classes.. its like trying to compare a hyperloop/orbital with an atomic weave..
though moving a center of spin does get you fun little patterns like [Old link]
that can now be applied inside inversions..
you can do it with any inversion.. you can start with a move that twists around the elbows and run the twist all the way down the string to the poi head by the time it comes out the other side.. if you trun at the end of the inversion, into another inversion (say fwd one way, turn into reverse) then you can isolate the reverse and bring it from poi head back to the wrist.. going back isnt that cool.. imo..
I mentioned this [Old link] but you'll have to scroll up to the post made on 7/9/05, since the search engine doesnt acknowledge that I made any posts between 7/7/05 and 7/10/05..
its a step between doing sloppy higher degree inversions and clean higher degree inversions.. but I'm not atom master either.. nor have I applied this much to atoms.. so I'm sure arashi is on to something I hadn't seen yet..
I just don't see where the foating center of spin (contour gradients) is mighter than the 3 dimensional center of spin (atoms).. since they are, imo, two different classes.. its like trying to compare a hyperloop/orbital with an atomic weave..
though moving a center of spin does get you fun little patterns like [Old link]
that can now be applied inside inversions..
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Posted:
sounds and feels like a sideways helix to me but i may be behind these days
was playing with horizontal stuff like that at the weekend - creates interesting variable speed turns when the rotation quickly moves down to the poi head and back up to hand.
its the first thing that's made me want to play with anything other than vertical planes since i found cones - and all it is, is the middle ground between cones and horizontal spinning...
contours is a lovely name by the way cos that's what they feel like and that's what i can see in my head when i close my eyes...
cole. x
sounds and feels like a sideways helix to me but i may be behind these days
was playing with horizontal stuff like that at the weekend - creates interesting variable speed turns when the rotation quickly moves down to the poi head and back up to hand.
its the first thing that's made me want to play with anything other than vertical planes since i found cones - and all it is, is the middle ground between cones and horizontal spinning...
contours is a lovely name by the way cos that's what they feel like and that's what i can see in my head when i close my eyes...
cole. x
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Posted:
see you guys have a jump on things that I don't have. because I don't have this much at all with vertical stff.. and the only way I get it to go back to the handle is to turn and do another rotation the other way, or just not let it get too far down the poi string.... if I let it get to the end, it kinda rolls out the side.. but if I only let it go part way, then I still have time to use an isolation to bring it back to the wrists.. its playing with a sliding isolation that I'm not used to yet.. because I don't really like for my strings to tangle (oh what irony).. at least not when doing this.. because a little isolation keeps the strings next to each other without touching.. kinda like the way an isolated tangled buzzsaw and an isolated 3bt inversion end up being exactly the same thing.. (though things like that make me wonder if I'm conveying what I'm trying to say correctly.. because I can isolate my tangles in two ways.. O.o)
but back to the point.. so far its been just spinning inside of spinning that's gotten me all the contour stuff that I've stumbled across.. one center of spin spirals as its woven through an inversion.. if that makes sense.. like taking an airwrap, and spinning the nexus of the airwrap in a circle.. the nexus gets pulled to the edge of the poi and eventually your spinning an orbital in a cricle.. its the same thing only instead of spinning the nexus in a circle.. its done in a weave via inversion..
but I don't know how to explain much of this.. and the whole 'contour' 'gradient' thing makes no sense to me.. I just see the spiral..
"do you see the spiral?" -muppets from space
see you guys have a jump on things that I don't have. because I don't have this much at all with vertical stff.. and the only way I get it to go back to the handle is to turn and do another rotation the other way, or just not let it get too far down the poi string.... if I let it get to the end, it kinda rolls out the side.. but if I only let it go part way, then I still have time to use an isolation to bring it back to the wrists.. its playing with a sliding isolation that I'm not used to yet.. because I don't really like for my strings to tangle (oh what irony).. at least not when doing this.. because a little isolation keeps the strings next to each other without touching.. kinda like the way an isolated tangled buzzsaw and an isolated 3bt inversion end up being exactly the same thing.. (though things like that make me wonder if I'm conveying what I'm trying to say correctly.. because I can isolate my tangles in two ways.. O.o)
but back to the point.. so far its been just spinning inside of spinning that's gotten me all the contour stuff that I've stumbled across.. one center of spin spirals as its woven through an inversion.. if that makes sense.. like taking an airwrap, and spinning the nexus of the airwrap in a circle.. the nexus gets pulled to the edge of the poi and eventually your spinning an orbital in a cricle.. its the same thing only instead of spinning the nexus in a circle.. its done in a weave via inversion..
but I don't know how to explain much of this.. and the whole 'contour' 'gradient' thing makes no sense to me.. I just see the spiral..
"do you see the spiral?" -muppets from space
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Posted:
See you at the EJC and all will be clear. but the goal is to make you see and not watch, "aber verstehen"
bluecat's description can be misleading, they are not really what you (uberpoisters et. al.) saw me doing with atomics and conics and box/trinity and isolations together. that was just isolating atomics and conicals and trinity/box and weaving them together. gradients and contours are something else...deeper, involving "antigravity effects", stalls, and linear isolations and or "antispin", which create gradients in space. if you clear your mind and imagine... tell me what you see.
See you at the EJC and all will be clear. but the goal is to make you see and not watch, "aber verstehen"
bluecat's description can be misleading, they are not really what you (uberpoisters et. al.) saw me doing with atomics and conics and box/trinity and isolations together. that was just isolating atomics and conicals and trinity/box and weaving them together. gradients and contours are something else...deeper, involving "antigravity effects", stalls, and linear isolations and or "antispin", which create gradients in space. if you clear your mind and imagine... tell me what you see.
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Posted:
Well arashi, that sounds adequately misleading,
Contour gradients indeed, what will they think of next?
haha
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m
Well arashi, that sounds adequately misleading,
Contour gradients indeed, what will they think of next?
haha
long live wibbling!
m
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Posted:
i totally disagree with you, mr Tex.
it's not like you have any idea about hills, or even slopes
seems like a success tho? no?
i totally disagree with you, mr Tex.
it's not like you have any idea about hills, or even slopes
seems like a success tho? no?
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