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CabenTaster of beer, drinker of wine and all around stumbler.
238 posts
Location: Somewere way out there


Posted:
This test has only one question, but it's a very important one. Please

don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an honest

answer you will be able to test where you stand morally. The test features an

unlikely, completely fictional situation, where you will have to make a

decision one way or the other. Remember that your answer needs to be

honest, yet spontaneous.



You're in Zimbabwe ... near Kariba, to be exact. There is great chaos

Going on around you, caused by an unpredicted hurricane and severe floods. There

are huge masses of water all about you.



You are a Daily News photographer and you are in the middle of this great

disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot very

impressive photos.



There are houses and people floating around you, disappearing into the

Zambesi River as it roars through the gorge. Nature is showing all its

destructive power and is ripping everything away with it.



Suddenly you see a man in the water - he is fighting for his life, trying

not to be taken away by the masses of water and mud. You move closer.

Somehow the man looks familiar. Suddenly you know who it is...it's Robert

Mugabe!



At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him

away, forever. You have two options and no time to lose. You can save him

or you can take the best photo of your life. You can't do both.



So you can save the life of Robert Mugabe...or you can shoot a prize

Winning photo, a unique photo displaying the death of one of the world's most

notorious leaders.



And here's the question (please give an honest answer):



Would you select colour film, or rather go with the simplicity of classic

black and white?

EDITED_BY: Dom (1117727108)

A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.

a crowded elevator smells different to a midget

If you take me seriously you would be the only one


ImmortalAngelSILVER Member
Scientist!
578 posts
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
Black and white, it captures the raging waters in a timeless effect...
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Boo_BunnyBRONZE Member
Sparkely arty Mormon rainbow fairy
933 posts
Location: infront of you, United Kingdom


Posted:
colour, death in all its technicolor glory.

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MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Color. Shows it as it is.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


PyroWillGOLD Member
HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom


Posted:
I would show it in 3D that way you can pretend to push him off the rocks hes clinging onto

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind

Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife

"Will's to pretty for prison" - Simian


Captain_Hi_TopBRONZE Member
addict
529 posts
Location: North Shore, New Zealand


Posted:
black and white all the way

Why does Superman stop bullets with his chest, but ducks when you throw
a revolver at him?


MiGGOLD Member
Self-Flagellation Expert
3,414 posts
Location: Bogged at CG, Australia


Posted:
I'd go colour - you can photoshop it into black and white later if you want.

"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA

"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie


Sir Nuggit....is a liability
899 posts
Location: playing with traffic


Posted:
I've thought about this (and the after-effects of my answer) and I'd probably save him *awaits onslaught* but at the end of the day, if I took the picture I would have to live with the guilt. I'm not qualified to play judge, jury and executioner to anyone. I've sworn an oath not to take a life unless my own was in jeopardy.

Paramedics and doctors do the same thing, they're aim is to preserve life - regardless of the person.

Let the higher powers judge and leave me out of it.

BUT, if saving said (insert generic abusive name here) isn't an option, black and white. Not only for it's artistic qualities but because it could be symbolic of the struggle between black and white in the area.

Pull my pin out, roll me in to a room and see what happens ubbloco


CabenTaster of beer, drinker of wine and all around stumbler.
238 posts
Location: Somewere way out there


Posted:

Nuggit....Thank you for the humanitarian side. I am not going to abuse you for saving him.....I am going to suggest you go and look up the definition of joke. If you want serious then you have wondered into the wrong forum....

Oh...I am a paramedic, and we do not take the Hippocratic oath.

I never brought you into this....you answered my thread...

Smile....and if you can't, give me a shout....i will post you the picture....Colour or black & white?

A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.

a crowded elevator smells different to a midget

If you take me seriously you would be the only one


marcoenthusiast
328 posts
Location: uk


Posted:

Classic black and white, but then I'm biased since nearly all my professional photogrpahic work is in black and white

mark

flidBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom


Posted:
I'd definately save him instead.

As for shooting, colour is the obvious answer. You can change it to black and white afterwards, but lots more news networks would be interested in buying a copy in colour. Newspapers arn't about arty shots anyway, shallow people choosing what to buy by what the front cover looks like are much more likely to go for action, or something cute

hexagonicClubbles Jugs
1,687 posts
Location: Manchester


Posted:
black and white for me.

However, foreign journos are illegal in Zimbabwe so I would be more concerned with my safety than the type of film used. if i was there i would probably just watch him being swept away, and wave

ah wah wah wah a wah wah


Sir Nuggit....is a liability
899 posts
Location: playing with traffic


Posted:
Written by: Caben



Nuggit....Thank you for the humanitarian side. I am not going to abuse you for saving him.....I am going to suggest you go and look up the definition of joke. If you want serious then you have wondered into the wrong forum....

Oh...I am a paramedic, and we do not take the Hippocratic oath.

I never brought you into this....you answered my thread...

Smile....and if you can't, give me a shout....i will post you the picture....Colour or black & white?




Sorry I failed to see the joke, but seeing as I'm full of humanity, I'll let you off :P ubblol

It's all gravy baby

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Pull my pin out, roll me in to a room and see what happens ubbloco


flidBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom


Posted:
so you're the sith lord

Sir Nuggit....is a liability
899 posts
Location: playing with traffic


Posted:
*puts finger to crusty lip*

Shhhh my young friend, the force is strong in this one

ubbloco

Pull my pin out, roll me in to a room and see what happens ubbloco


SniperBRONZE Member
Snoochie-boochie-noochies!
663 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
i'd save him. then you can make much more 'interesting' photos until you get bored and lob him in the river anyhoo

flidBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom


Posted:
i'm not sure what the market is like for robert mugabe porn, sorry sniper

oliSILVER Member
not with cactus
2,052 posts
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom


Posted:
so youre standing there and youve got time to either save him or photograph him, you havant got time to change the film in your camera or fiddle around with little buttons on your digital one if thats what your using. so you use what youve got.

confused

Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no


flidBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom


Posted:
2 cameras?

maybe you have switching from b&w to colour as the macro button on your camera? It's pretty quick/simple on my digital slr. But my original comment stands, why would you want to use b&w anyway?

oliSILVER Member
not with cactus
2,052 posts
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom


Posted:
i agree smile but im addressing the question which in my opinion is a bit of a non question as you wouldnt really have a choice. and i just read the question and it mentions film, so that rulkes out the digital possibility tongue
EDITED_BY: oli (1117725432)

Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no


JauntyJamesSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,533 posts
Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA


Posted:
Monochrome, it's got real class.

-James

"How do you know if you're happy or sad without a mask? Or angry? Or ready for dessert?"


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
OK, leaving aside the humainty issue which is a whole other kettle of fish.



"In black and white you look at the faces; in colour you look at the clothes."



I don't take photos for profit and I argue that taking a digital image and converting it to colour gives a very different and false effect to black and white film. I've got a cheap SLR and a cheap DSLR and I prefer the prints from the film.



Also photo journalists have in the past taken a photo then put the camera down and helped (for example Nick Ut).

CabenTaster of beer, drinker of wine and all around stumbler.
238 posts
Location: Somewere way out there


Posted:
OK...this was never meant to be anything but a joke....Guys and girls...I work in Sudan at the moment and will probably be going to Iraq next year, so I know about humanitarian work. Hell I am the one out here doing it, so lets not forget that sometimes it is OK to laugh at something that is not "politically correct".

And yes you could save him, but as pointed out previously "foreign journos are illegal in Zimbabwe" so you would probably be arrested...hehehehhehe

Come on...don't bow to pressure...have fun. And I am really sorry that some don't find this funny. I will try and find a more acceptable one and post if for you

Hope you are all having a great day/night.

A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.

a crowded elevator smells different to a midget

If you take me seriously you would be the only one


Sir Nuggit....is a liability
899 posts
Location: playing with traffic


Posted:
*looks around to find someone who's actually taking it seriously*

It's all gravy baby biggrin

Pull my pin out, roll me in to a room and see what happens ubbloco


spaceySILVER Member
mischeivious pixie
291 posts
Location: Sydney, Australia


Posted:
being a photographer i would probably take the picture, it could be the photo to end all photos and kick start my career. of course i would feel guilty, but im only an ickle girl so there is probably not much i could do to save him anyway without killing myself in the process. i know this sounds harsh, but in that sort of situation i think most people would be looking out for number one first.

as for what film would i use, it would be a digital camera so i could then decide after whether the picture would be best portrayed in black and white or colour as both have their plus sides.

failing that, black and white for sure, using a fast film so the picture has a really grainy and gritty true to life quality about it.

"I dont want no fatty bumbum, i want a lean mean shagging machine" anon

"I'm sweet and wholesome with a little bit of filth thrown in"

What would you do if you knew you could not fail?


Sir Nuggit....is a liability
899 posts
Location: playing with traffic


Posted:
nana

Pull my pin out, roll me in to a room and see what happens ubbloco


spaceySILVER Member
mischeivious pixie
291 posts
Location: Sydney, Australia


Posted:
spank

"I dont want no fatty bumbum, i want a lean mean shagging machine" anon

"I'm sweet and wholesome with a little bit of filth thrown in"

What would you do if you knew you could not fail?


Sir Nuggit....is a liability
899 posts
Location: playing with traffic


Posted:
Promises promises lol



offtopic lol

Pull my pin out, roll me in to a room and see what happens ubbloco


spaceySILVER Member
mischeivious pixie
291 posts
Location: Sydney, Australia


Posted:
biggrin

"I dont want no fatty bumbum, i want a lean mean shagging machine" anon

"I'm sweet and wholesome with a little bit of filth thrown in"

What would you do if you knew you could not fail?


CabenTaster of beer, drinker of wine and all around stumbler.
238 posts
Location: Somewere way out there


Posted:
Well done. Now that we have this tread back on track....would you wait to catch him passing a tree (so that you could capture the full magnitude of the flood) or just take it in case you miss him before he goes under?

A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.

a crowded elevator smells different to a midget

If you take me seriously you would be the only one


synapseGOLD Member
member
161 posts
Location: Romsey, Hampshire, United Kingdom


Posted:
Hi All .The commotion about Cabens said joke fundamentally can be summed up in the fable which I have thought up

The Ant & The Grasshopper.

An ant and a grasshopper lived in the same field.

During the summer the ant works all day and night bringing in supplies for the winter, and he prepares his home to keep him warm during the cold months ahead.

Mean while, the grasshopper hops and sings, eats all the grass he wants and procreates.

Come winter, it gets bitterly cold and the grass dies. The ant is well fed and warm in his house, but the grasshopper has not prepared for the winter, so he dies, leaving a whole horde of little grasshoppers without food or shelter.

The moral of the story is that one should work hard to ensure that you can take care of yourself.

The African Version.

The first part of this story is the same, but because it now happens in Africa, there are a few complications of course.

The starving offspring of the grasshopper demanded to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed, while next door they are living in terrible conditions without food and proper clothing.

A TV crew promptly shows up and broadcasts footage of the poor grasshoppers, contrasting this with footage of the ant, snug in his comfortable home with a pantry full of food. The public in the neighbouring fields are stunned at what they see.

How can it be, in this beautiful field, that the poor grasshoppers are allowed to suffer so, while the ant lives in the lap of luxury?

In the blink of an eye, the AGU (African Grasshopper's Union ) is formed. They charge the ant with "species bias" and claim that grasshoppers are the victims of 30 million years of green oppression.

They stage a protest in front of the ant's house and trash the street. When interviewed by the TV crews, they state that if their demands are not met, they will be forced into a life of crime. Just for practice, they loot the TV crew's luggage and hijack their van.

The TRC (Take & Redistribute Commission) justifies their behaviour by saying that this is the legacy of the ant's discrimination and oppression of the grasshoppers.

They demand that the ant apologises to the grasshoppers for what he has done, and that he makes amends for all the other ants in history that have done the same thing to grasshoppers.

PAGAD (People Against Grasshopper Abuse & Distress) states that they are starting a holy war against ants.

The President appears on the 8 o'clock news and says that he will do everything he can for the grasshoppers that have been denied the prosperity they deserve by those who have benefited unfairly during the summer.

The government drafts the EEGAD (Economic Equity for Greens and Disadvantaged) act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to employ a proportionate number of green insects, and, having nothing left to pay his back taxes, his home is confiscated by the government for redistribution.

The story ends as we see the grasshoppers finishing off the last of the ant's food while living in their new government house (Which just happens to be the ant's old house) and also the house ends up crumbling down around them because they are too lazy and incompetent to maintain it.

Showing on the TV (which a grasshopper and a couple of friends stole from another ant), the President is standing before a group of wildly singing and dancing grasshoppers, announcing that a new era of "equality" has dawned on the field.

The ant, meanwhile, is not allowed to work because he has historically benefited from the field. In his place, ten grasshoppers, who only work two hours a day, steal half of what they actually harvest.

When winter comes again and not enough food has been harvested, they strike and demand a 150% increase in their wages so that they can buy more food, which now has to be imported because the grasshoppers were not productive enough to produce enough food.

The ant packs his things and migrates to another field whilst his other mates have moved even further away, where they start a highly successful food companies again and becomes a millionaires by selling food to the grasshoppers in the field from where he came.

(Does this story sound familiar?)

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