Forums > Beginner Poi Moves > Please help!!! How do you actually do flowers?!
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1,365 posts
Location: Manchester, England (UK)
Please someone help!I've read all the previous threads so please don't direct me to them!
How do you actually do flowers?!
What is the breakdown of the movement of your arms?
THANK YOU!
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Baisc Flower:
Arms are fully extended 180 degrees apart rotating same direction. Pause for 1 beat every quarter rotation (ie 12/6, 9/3, 6/12, 3/9).
If thats not simple enough, reread the other flower posts. Theres tons of info about how to do them and if none of that can satisfy your questions, I dont see how another thread will. The other threads also point to various videos which include flowers which should also be a big help.
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Location: Manchester, England (UK)
Thank you!
That makes sense now, I'll have to practice that!
Live like there is no tomorrow,
dance like nobody is watching
and hula hoop like wiggling will save the world.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
enthusiast, but not enthusiastic
367 posts
Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
I second the thanks. This is a very straightforward, easy-to-understand explanation. More so than some of the other threads, where variations, etc. are discussed. Those of us who are complete beginners are so lost in those threads. To make my point, can I ask for more help that will inspire a 'duh, how stupid can you be' reaction?
What do you do when you get more than 3/4 of the way around the circle? At that point, if you continue, your arms are pretty hopelessly crossed....or at least mine are. Pictures of flowers in the users gallery lead me to believe that you can continue all the way around. Seems this should be easily resolved if you just know what you're doing. So I'm hoping someone will take pity and clue me in. Thanks!!
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Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
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What do you do when you get more than 3/4 of the way around the circle? At that point, if you continue, your arms are pretty hopelessly crossed....or at least mine are. Pictures of flowers in the users gallery lead me to believe that you can continue all the way around. Seems this should be easily resolved if you just know what you're doing. So I'm hoping someone will take pity and clue me in. Thanks!!
Sounds like youre doing this in wall plane from a weave or something which is the wrong way to go about it. Do it with your arms at your sides (ie, swing your arms in full circles as if you were swimming) this way, your arms always stay on their own sides and wont cross/tangle.
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
However, you CAN do continual flowers in weave format but the description for that would get rather complicated.
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
enthusiast, but not enthusiastic
367 posts
Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
Wall plane (the wall being in front of me) is exactly what I was doing. Thanks!! It didn't occur to me that the pics posted were taken from the side. Makes so much more sense now. I appreciate your response. What I'm sure is a ridiculous question from your perspective makes a big difference for me.
And I think I'll learn the basic flower and some of the variations posted in other threads before trying it from a weave. But thanks for giving me something to look forward to!
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Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
No prob, glad I could be of assistance. That is, after all, what this board is for!
And its really not a rediculous question at all. I remember dealing with the same issues at one time.
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Where's Kael's avatar when you need it?
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Location: Angels Landing, USA
um here? XD
I did a huge write up on gs.c with video and pictures, but I can't really transfer that here...
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Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
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Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
See, Kael's avatar (and some other user pics) and the earlier posts by people like ICoN are what got me tangled in the first place! I had been happily weaving around and unhappily struggling with gremlin with no idea that flowers were potentially within my range. I wouldn't have even been trying this.
But many positive side effects have occurred. In order to consistently be spinning that far above my head, I need to be outside, so I found out that the park next to the local museum is open until 10. And [attempting to keep] the planes straight for the flowers has helped my other moves.
Thanks, folks!
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
1,584 posts
Location: Angels Landing, USA
Antispin flowers with 5 petals aren't exactly easy... hence why you really DON'T want to refer to my avatar.
sorry for the confusion
Think about it this way, regular flowers are swimming forward *freestyle with your arms while the poi are rotating forward. Your arms don't atually cross your body. Every 12, 3, 6, 9 o'clock arm position your poi should make one rotation and be pointed in towards you.
For antispin flowers, your arms still rotate forwards but your poi ar rotating backwards as if you were doing reverse weave.
Thats the basics of it.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
::waits for the confused posts to start streaming in::
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Wait, you take balls of kevlar on chains and dip them in fuel and light them and swing them around? I don't get it.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Northeast USA Firespinner
122 posts
Location: Connecticut, USA
Well, NYC, I take a stick with wraps of Kevlar 'round the ends, and light that on fire. What's not to get?
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
1,584 posts
Location: Angels Landing, USA
just to continue the OTness of this off topic...
Glowsticks on strings? What kind of loser are you? And you record yourself doing this? DORK!
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Oh sorry... Flowerboy here gets all possesive about his flower threads.
*image editted by Pele*
EDITED_BY: Pele (1164766406)
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
old hand
896 posts
Location: Manchester England
I saw some great flowers at the weekend care of Mr chutney and Bovril monkey so I'd check them out if I were you!
Ohh pretty flowers!
*Thats one of my favourite Nurseries over there,*
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Location: Bogged at CG, Australia
are the poi outside of the arms, as in a normal, everyday weave, or are they inside, like a buzzsaw?
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big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
outside helps you to not hit your head every time the poi reach the centre.
but if you can do them on the inside, you could well lead the way into flowers with pauses and tangled sections...
i'm definitely not gonna learn them before you...
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
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- tim westwood
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
What you mean by flowers with pauses?
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
one arm does extra beats (or a pendulum if you're garthy) in one position to allow the other arm to catch up or separate.
i.e. the pause is used to change the angle between the arms.
cole. x
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Got it.
Sounds wacky.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Why do you have to be inside for that?
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
enthusiast, but not enthusiastic
367 posts
Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
Written by: KaelGotRice
Antispin flowers with 5 petals aren't exactly easy... hence why you really DON'T want to refer to my avatar.
sorry for the confusion
Think about it this way, regular flowers are swimming forward *freestyle with your arms while the poi are rotating forward.
NOW you tell me they aren't easy! I've figured that part out on my own!
My problem is that my poi are not rotating forward; they end up rotating one forward and one horizontal, usually at the 6/12 position. This is an operator error due to the inability to watch both hands at the same time. One that I hope will resolve simply with more practice so that these rogue hands do not need to be constantly monitored.
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big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Written by: ICoN
Why do you have to be inside for that?
you obviously don't for just pauses.
but i said "flowers with pauses and tangled sections..." and you'd be hard pushed to get your poi to tangle if they are in wheel planes on opposite sides of your body...
munkypunks - when you get round to working on antispin flowers, learn them one hand at a time.
and do that for ages.
i reckon learning both fwd-fwd and rev-rev flowers would help.
but i can't really say as i can only do fwd-fwd and fwd-rev (fwd being poi spin direction).
*...must learn rev-rev and how to turn flowers at some point...*
cole. x
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Written by: coleman
and you'd be hard pushed to get your poi to tangle if they are in wheel planes on opposite sides of your body...
Unless you're really flexible.
Yeah. I gotta turn my flowers. Next step in my quest to be like Mike. *sings* "If I could be like Mike... I wanna be I wanna be I wanna be... like Mike... If I could be like Mike"
Or Kael.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
1,584 posts
Location: Angels Landing, USA
I answer to both.
But my antispin flower turns are still crap
rrrrrgr.... I swear it's impossible with glowsticks... maybe my sock poi but glowsticks -
RAWR!
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
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Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
coleman~
Thanks, maybe I should try that now, with just basic flowers, only doing one hand at a time, but it seems to be the attempt to coordinate the two that cause the problem. It'll come. I just don't get the chance to practice these as much as I'd like b/c I can't do it at home, ceilings aren't high enough, and I have no yard. I may just have to go out in the street...neighbors be damned....
You can't fall off the floor, but sometimes you need a chair to reach the cookie jar.
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1,365 posts
Location: Manchester, England (UK)
Ah, I spin fire poi in the middle of Glasgow (I figure no one will dare attack me if I've got fire flying around my head). Find a local park or a car park somewhere! I still can't do flowers though, at least I know how to do them now!
Live like there is no tomorrow,
dance like nobody is watching
and hula hoop like wiggling will save the world.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
enthusiast, but not enthusiastic
367 posts
Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
I found out last weekend that the park at the museum is open 'til 10, so insto-presto - poi field! Do you spin fire by yourself? I've never seen anyone light themselves on fire - well, burn themselves badly, I mean - but I figure with murphy's law as soon as I practice actual fire by myself, I'll be up in flames. Is it safe?
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