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PeleBRONZE Member
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA


Posted:
I have talked with a few people about this. A few who have either changed their fire habits at teh demand of an S.O, and some who have forsaken the S.O. because of the demands.
Then there is the question, do you choose sex or fire if you can not have both?

I don't do well with ultimatums. I do fire, it is a passion and a career. Anyone ever tells me to choose will be pretty bored without me!
I just think it is wrong to even ask a person to give up something they love, all for the sake of not understanding, not wanting to understand. If they wanted to understand they would still worry and be concerned for safety but then they would learn how to protect their loved one and take an active role in the passion from that angle. I know I would. I know that is what many of my loved ones have done and it has worked well.
I just can't see the "Choose me or it thing."
What gets into people's heads (other than the obvious desire to protect)?
I also don't understand the ones who love fire but cut back on it or give it up to the ultimatum. Hmmmm....

Sex or fire? Fire every time hands down....it gets me all worked up so the sex is better after...so long as the performance doesn't wear me out too much!

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK


dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
I think that it happens in more cases than just fire and sex.. The "Choose me or it" thing can be surfing, a band, writing, you name it... Anything that someone feels passionate about and loves....Could spark jealousy for the time not spent with the S.O.?? That's why you've either gotta be happy that people do what they love and if someone tries to make you stop, hit the road..... How could you not love seeing someone you love do something that they love? Sex (or ice cream) is good too, however, so I think I'll choose both.

Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
love ain't sex.
love is better than fire, sex, or for that matter, any other thang.

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chairmenmeow47member
81 posts
Location: mesa, arizona


Posted:
oooo, ye-yeah! how bout "fire sex"?
) )

-ivy. = ^ )

Ralph, jesus did not have wheels.--sunday school teacher, the simpsons


dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
cheers bender-... love is everything!! It's good to love someone who understands the love for fire too....Noone should ever put out your fire!! Lovin'life together.. that's what's important.... I choose love over most stuff, but I'd be sad if it meant I couldn't dance with fire and do other things I enjoy... Luckilly it doesn't, and I don't plan on dropping things that I love for someone I love... Finding the balance is the beauty. Sex and love are very different and shouldn't be confused.. I was just responding to the topic... must go to bed now -------*

Cazzarmember
53 posts
Location: Vancouver, Canada


Posted:
If someone you loved made you choose to drop something that was unique and special to you which you had a passion for.. and knew meant a lot to you..wouldn't that be a lack of respect on their behalf and therefore not really someone who you could evenly be compatible with?
I dunno, maybe it's just me?

Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
consider this,
who dares use love to as a negotiating stick? causes anguish to have their way?

the undeserving!
look inwardly and see who is motivated by selfishness, who of selflessness?
no desert is as barren as the heart of the 'pitiless beloved'

It is up to the individual to decide on what attributes it is they look for in a person that makes them ache for them. I think about this every day. Know that at least for me, compassion comes paramount. a compassionate partner will not blight you with a frivolous ultimatum - to love someone compassionate is to sidestep that problem altogether . I strongly believe that once developed, (compassion in a person, a friend, a partner) that everything else sorts itself out compassion strips us of our selfish agendas. compassion lends itself to generosity, and hence no one person from such a group will want for anything. Expanding on the great importance of compassion, it is imperative to know that to deserve it from others, one must behave ...compassionately.
integrate compassion into your thinking, your life, and you'll realise that it is the blessing of others does not go unrewarded - ever!

ahh bugger, another rant, ah at least I get to unload my shoulders!
..and here's the obligatory quote to justify compassionate thinking...
"It is better to suffer wrong than to do it, and happier to be sometimes cheated than not to trust."
Samuel Johnson

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SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
It'd have to be REALLY good sex for me to give up spinning for it.

Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by FieryFlow:
It'd have to be REALLY good sex for me to give up spinning for it.
Bill Hicks once choose his stand-up career over a woman once. It left him bitter..
quote:
"It's hard, keeping the hours, always on the road....It's going to take a very special woman; or,... a bunch of average ones!"

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SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
Didn't say nothing about love, just sex..

If a woman asked me not to spin anymore, then she most definitely doesn't love me. She hates me and wants me to be unhappy and bored.

dromepixieveteran
1,463 posts
Location: Florida


Posted:
As cass says 'shine on'
Dont let anyone put out your fire!
As far a sex goes, lets be honest its not too hard to find sex so just wait until someone can deal with your fire. Otherwise I say choose fire...

I also agree that it is selfish if you LOVE someone to ask them to choose between a passion and them.
Love involves: space, understanding and respect amongst other things... Dont let anyone take yourself or again, your fire away from you.

Keep the fire ditch the bitch!
Much love, drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!


DarkFairyQueenmember
557 posts
Location: The Underworld


Posted:
Fiery straight to the point!

I don't think I could love someone who's selfish enough to even think of asking such a thing of me. And I give a toss how good the sex is, there's plenty more fish in the sea.

If I was in love with someone, who'd had a traumatic experience with fire in the past, I'd do my best to help them conquer their fear. Maybe even get them spinning eventually.

It's too much of a passion, it's just not up for negotiation.

Az abouve, So below...


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
Wasn't there a similar discussion about this a bit ago?

If it's just sex we're talking about I'll take the sex for a couple of weeks, then drop the demanding mare like a brick and go back to the fire.

In real relationships it's rarely black and white. If the relationship is to last there needs to be understanding, compromises, etc... and I ain't giving up the fire!

dibs_starmember
603 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland, Uk


Posted:
Hmmmmmmm........I don't know...........

Didn't think I'd have to think about this at all, I thought i would be able to answer immediatley. But after reading everyone elses posts I am not sure. It depends on the 'sex'. and by that I don't mean the technical side of it, i mean the person and the emotional attatchment, and what sex means to 'us'. Hmmmmmm......

*goes away to think*

Can miles truly separate us from friends? If we want to be with someone we love aren't we already there? If there is someone willing to show, and there is someone willing to see; magic happens. This is whem humans are alive. This is when the wingless fly.


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Well, that wouldn't be a problem for me because I would never let fire get to be such a huge part of my life that a S.O. would object.

I have been given the "sex or swimming" ultimatum before. Swimming won. My health comes first. Besides, relationships end and I can always find someone else to have sex with...but I'll always be a swimmer. If an S.O. isn't willing to accept certain things about me as a given, then maybe the relationship is doomed, anyways.

[ 12 July 2002, 09:31: Message edited by: MikeGinny ]

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


Maelstrommember
135 posts
Location: Akron, Ohio


Posted:
Sex is over rated. Anything that you can do by yourself and get the same gratification.....

If your in love then that is differnet. However if someone loves you they don't try to change you.

Nothing good ever comes from hanging out with normal people.


SickpuPpyNinja Rockstar!
1,100 posts
Location: Denver, Co. U.S.A.


Posted:
....Waaah???? Sex?? Fire?? whuh uh, BEER.

Jesus helps me trick people.


CharlesBRONZE Member
Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
3,989 posts
Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Posted:
Wow what a can of worms this is... It depends entirely on each situation, and I would hoep there was never a situation that could be described like this that didn't have a lot more going on in the background.

Personally, if my wife gave me that ultimatum, I'd give up fire straight away because of how deeply I love her. But, and this might sound like a cop-out...The reason I love her deeply is that she would never ask me something like that. If she did ask me, then perhaps she's no longer the person I thought she was.

However, what we also need to see is how the other person perceives it. If their love for you is blinding them of your love of fire, then they may not be able to see past the "They could get hurt, or get cancer, or die if they keep doing this". Which, to be honest, makes a lot of sense from their point of view.

So, looking at it from the point that they believe you will die, sooner or later, as direct result of your fire art, then we can put the whole context into a different light. It would be analogous to having your husband who has a heart problem eating fatty, salty, bad-cholestrol laden foods and not exercising.

I wouldn't expect anyone in a loving relationship not to try and try and try to change their eating habits. If, after several years they still continued, it would be reasonable grounds for a divorce or break-up.

I'm defintely not saying this is the way it SHOULD be viewed, but it may be that some partners ARE mistakenly viewing it that way.

Or, we could be completely wrong about it (such as a 1940's builder telling his wife asbestos is safe) and they are right.

Have I made that too complicated or does it sortof make sense?

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Celestemember
48 posts
Location: Birmingham, Ala USA


Posted:
Well, the way I figure it is that if your in a relationship simply for sex the person you're involved with really has no say over what you do outside of the bedroom. If your in a relationship out of love, it's a little different...I like to think that someone who loves me will love what I love. Anyway, men come and go, fire has been around for who knows how long, won't ever ask me where I've been, who I've been with, or leave me for someone else etc etc.

Life is serious, but art is fun!


s-p-l-a-tmember
383 posts
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia


Posted:
First.. fire will always win for me.. easily. Fire is like a channel for me.. it lets me spread good vibes (e.g love) .. it helps me feel good vibes (e.g love). I don't understand how someone you are in love with (and vice versa) .. and by this I mean the highest kind of love - compassionate love, could allow the fear-filled jealousy emotion to permiate the space between you.

Sexual love, the love that you fall into with someone you don't know back to front etc, usually means pretty much nothing to me. Sexual love is, of course, potential compassionate love, it can evolve into the higher level of compassionate love, but it has to undergo a big change. It's just potential. Not the real thing. (I guess you could say 'yet' after that if it applies).

Compassionate love, which is timeless love, is profound. Sexual love is simply temporary. Sexual love does not exist if you have compassionate love.

Therefore, if someone is getting 'jealous' over your playing-with-fire, then that's their problem, and they can sort it out. And if they don't sort it out and your relationship dwindles - it ain't worth worrying about.

Lots of firey fish in the sea

The beautiful thing about learning is that no one can take it away from you.- B.B.King


Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
A new perspective,
after several hours, a sleep, and a D&M with me sweety, I realise now that my rant may be uncompassionate!! I am of no help to you, mate, if i rant on about how you SHOULD want someone compassionate, rather than help you out with the love you obviously ALREADY feel for this person!!
In that regard, I say you take the advice that was offered the last time this type of thread arose.... Show them the depth of your love, and the corresponding anguish caused by the ultimatum by showing them this thread!
good luck mate! ya definitely sound like you deserve to be treated with more respect!
...and if it helps, leave the toilet lid down.

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BurningByronmember
340 posts
Location: Australia


Posted:
hmmm I would stop fire dancing for the sex I'm having right now. I know the relationship isn't gonna last forever and my firedancing will, plus I'm not sure if I'm ever going to find someone quite as good in bed as my little sex goddess. Although I wouldn't have given up fire dancing for any of my past girlfriends.

Love has nothing to do with it. If they say they wont love me if I fire dance then its not true love they are feeling, I will still give them unconditional love regardless.

Sex apposed to making love would also make a difference to my choice. Doesn't matter how crap a girl is in bed if it feels like they are making love to me instead of 'having sexual intercourse' with me then I would drop the fire dancing because it is so hard to find a girl who is out of her sexual shell enough to be able to make love to someone.

Brilliant sex is just as hard to find as a girl who is able to make love to you.

hmm that all didn't have much direction, oh well.

I hope everyone has lots of great sex this weekend!!!

Love B

HOW TO FLY 101:
step 1. Throw your self at the ground.
step 2. Miss.


Raymund Phule (Fireproof)Enter a "Title" here:
2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California


Posted:
SickpuPpy, heck ya man go for the beer!! Beer will never burn you nor will ever leave you, and you can still get laid whilest being with beer! Beer is the ultimate friend!

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"


PeleBRONZE Member
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA


Posted:
I wouldn't give it up for love either. I would try to share/explain the love I have for fire, or whatever the ultimatum based issue is and try to work it out, sure. But if it really is that big of a concern, I wouldn't give up any of the things I am passionate for in the name of love. I have comprimised, no problem, but won't change my life completely.

Just to let everyone know, this is not a personal thing! PWB is one of my greastest supports and strengths in performing! He didn't always agree with it but he became involved in his own way. He became my safety, my web designer and sometimes my photographer. He learned what he could to keep me safe, and that is how he expresses his love for me...not through complaining or turning the other cheek (such as my parents) but by making certain he can put me out in case of incedent!

This is based off of something I have seen/heard people do....give up something they love because a person they are involved with doesn't understand it.
Thanks for the posts...it is interesting to read!

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK


SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
quote:
If it's just sex we're talking about I'll take the sex for a couple of weeks, then drop the demanding mare like a brick and go back to the fire.
YES!!!!
*goes to give Dom a high-five*

..

..

oh, shit, this isn't real life...

..
..

Okay, so if it was a choice between sex and fire at the moment..

Like a girl wanted me and was trying to seduce me, but I had just soaked my wicks.. If I was in the mood, I think my wicks could wait.. We'd have some fun, wam-bam and then I'd be off and spinning again..

But what if your girl/boy/f*ck-friend wanted to have sex with you while you spin fire?

Is that even possible?


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