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Location: St. Paul, MN USA
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Location: St. Paul, MN USA
Posted:
My mom has been calling me telling me not to go anywhere public on the 4th in Seattle. I have been blowing her off until today. I heard a dj on a local station talking about terrorists taking out Seattle . I don't have a t.v. and have heard nothing of this until now.
Has anyone else heard anything regarding this?
Am I crazy for even worrying about it?
peace & luv,
cage
My mom has been calling me telling me not to go anywhere public on the 4th in Seattle. I have been blowing her off until today. I heard a dj on a local station talking about terrorists taking out Seattle . I don't have a t.v. and have heard nothing of this until now.
Has anyone else heard anything regarding this?
Am I crazy for even worrying about it?
peace & luv,
cage
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old hand
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Location: Brigadoon
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Location: Brigadoon
Posted:
well from over here in blighty i've heard nothing but my advice would be to stay away.
i've narrowly missed too many terrorists' bombs to tempt fate (manchester, dar es salaam and cape town were all blown up no more than a few days after i left each one .... it wasn't me by the way ... honest)
well from over here in blighty i've heard nothing but my advice would be to stay away.
i've narrowly missed too many terrorists' bombs to tempt fate (manchester, dar es salaam and cape town were all blown up no more than a few days after i left each one .... it wasn't me by the way ... honest)
wherever you go, there you are.
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Posted:
dont' worry about it. if it's your time, then you can't do anything about it anyways. no point in getting all worked up about nothing!@! BTW, contact me if something does happen
dont' worry about it. if it's your time, then you can't do anything about it anyways. no point in getting all worked up about nothing!@! BTW, contact me if something does happen
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Location: San Diego California
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Location: San Diego California
Posted:
We all gotta die sometime go have fun!! I doubt it would happen, why Seattle to my knowlege nothing important was in Seattle since they stoped fiming Frasier!!
We all gotta die sometime go have fun!! I doubt it would happen, why Seattle to my knowlege nothing important was in Seattle since they stoped fiming Frasier!!
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Location: San Diego, California, USA
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Location: San Diego, California, USA
Posted:
Plus, if it was told around on the radio, there's bound to be someone that called the police on it. So there's goin to be security all around probably.
Plus, if it was told around on the radio, there's bound to be someone that called the police on it. So there's goin to be security all around probably.
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Location: London
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Location: London
Posted:
They have stopped filming Frasier!?!?
I thought they were just making the new one...
Now I'll have to go back to my hole...
They have stopped filming Frasier!?!?
I thought they were just making the new one...
Now I'll have to go back to my hole...
I hope you realize how pissed I am.
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Location: NorCal
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Location: NorCal
Posted:
hi Cage...
follow your gut instinct.
harder than you think, but you usually won't go wrong!
hi Cage...
follow your gut instinct.
harder than you think, but you usually won't go wrong!
"Dancing can reveal all the mystery that music conceals"
~Charles Baudelaire
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Location: arizona
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Location: arizona
Posted:
if you think back there were rumors like that on every holiday since sept. 11th... not to say you should ignore those warnings.. its up to you.. there is always the possibilaty somthing could happen... thats there game.. and to me if you let that scare you into not doing what you want then they beat you with there pussy ass tactics. im going out and im gonna have fun, but im also gonna keep my eyes open for anything suspicious..
if i see anyone acting strange or tryin to set off any bombs im gonna give them a good ol american ass woopin and then hang um with my poi.. yeah... usa usa usa
if you think back there were rumors like that on every holiday since sept. 11th... not to say you should ignore those warnings.. its up to you.. there is always the possibilaty somthing could happen... thats there game.. and to me if you let that scare you into not doing what you want then they beat you with there pussy ass tactics. im going out and im gonna have fun, but im also gonna keep my eyes open for anything suspicious..
if i see anyone acting strange or tryin to set off any bombs im gonna give them a good ol american ass woopin and then hang um with my poi.. yeah... usa usa usa
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Location: Manchester NH USA
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Location: Manchester NH USA
Posted:
I'm headed to NYC for a rave on the 4th. I'm confident that nothing will happen.
I'm headed to NYC for a rave on the 4th. I'm confident that nothing will happen.
I dreamt that I ate a 10 pound marshmellow and then when I woke up, my pillow was gone!
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
The government has been saying that since Seattle has "lax policing" that it's "considered a good target by terrorists." (Gee, thanks for alerting them to that, Gov't.)
My view is that I'm not going to be terrorized.
If I die, then I'll go down on my feet.
The government has been saying that since Seattle has "lax policing" that it's "considered a good target by terrorists." (Gee, thanks for alerting them to that, Gov't.)
My view is that I'm not going to be terrorized.
If I die, then I'll go down on my feet.
-Mike
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Location: Israel
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Location: Israel
Posted:
Hey i don't know how much say i've got but anyway...
I'll give you a wonderfull example-here in Israel on independnce day or any other festival as a matter of fact there are warnings of the sort. If id listened to them all id be stuck to this seat by the computer by now... not that im not anyway...
i also think you should listen to your instinct- if you feel good about going out than go but if you dont -dont force it.
and im blabbering about again...
have a good time what ever you do.
peace and love
Acid
Hey i don't know how much say i've got but anyway...
I'll give you a wonderfull example-here in Israel on independnce day or any other festival as a matter of fact there are warnings of the sort. If id listened to them all id be stuck to this seat by the computer by now... not that im not anyway...
i also think you should listen to your instinct- if you feel good about going out than go but if you dont -dont force it.
and im blabbering about again...
have a good time what ever you do.
peace and love
Acid
life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans John Lennon
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Let's see, they said don't go into malls on Halloween, because there would be terrorist attacks since there are so many children who trick or treat in the safety of the malls.
Nothing happened.
Then they said to beware on New Years Eve. That all the major cities had been targetted because of the flocks of people who gather for the countdown.
Nothing happened.
Valentines Day and St. Patricks Day all had alerts.
All were relatively eventless.
No need in letting fear run your life. There are much grander fish to fry in this country than Seattle. I say relax, blow some stuff up, or enjoy watching someone else do it. Have a picnic and hang out. If history is any indication, it's all judt media hype.
Let's see, they said don't go into malls on Halloween, because there would be terrorist attacks since there are so many children who trick or treat in the safety of the malls.
Nothing happened.
Then they said to beware on New Years Eve. That all the major cities had been targetted because of the flocks of people who gather for the countdown.
Nothing happened.
Valentines Day and St. Patricks Day all had alerts.
All were relatively eventless.
No need in letting fear run your life. There are much grander fish to fry in this country than Seattle. I say relax, blow some stuff up, or enjoy watching someone else do it. Have a picnic and hang out. If history is any indication, it's all judt media hype.
Pele
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Mmmm - grander fish...
Mmmm - grander fish...
Meh
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Location: St. Paul, MN USA
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Location: St. Paul, MN USA
Posted:
Okay guys, thanks for all your advice. I think you are right. Why worry when "worrying is about as useful as chewing gum to solve an algebra equation". I will go out and have fun at the festivities. Maybe even meet a few people from HoP this week! Lightbug, if I see any terrorists, I will give 'em a good ole fashion USA ass woopin!
BTW: Seattle IS beautiful, don't let people fool you about the rain.
peace & luv,
The Caged One
Okay guys, thanks for all your advice. I think you are right. Why worry when "worrying is about as useful as chewing gum to solve an algebra equation". I will go out and have fun at the festivities. Maybe even meet a few people from HoP this week! Lightbug, if I see any terrorists, I will give 'em a good ole fashion USA ass woopin!
BTW: Seattle IS beautiful, don't let people fool you about the rain.
peace & luv,
The Caged One
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Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted:
The US gov is issuing warnings on random guesses because 1-that way when there's an attack they can say 'we told you about this one' however vaguely and 2-it does them good to keep you paranoid. Gives them more power over you.
If you stay at home at let your life be strangled by terror then they've won.
The US gov is issuing warnings on random guesses because 1-that way when there's an attack they can say 'we told you about this one' however vaguely and 2-it does them good to keep you paranoid. Gives them more power over you.
If you stay at home at let your life be strangled by terror then they've won.
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Location: Edinburgh, Scotland, Uk
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Location: Edinburgh, Scotland, Uk
Posted:
So true.
So true.
Can miles truly separate us from friends? If we want to be with someone we love aren't we already there? If there is someone willing to show, and there is someone willing to see; magic happens. This is whem humans are alive. This is when the wingless fly.
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Watch your back Dom the boogie man might get ya!
You are the only parinoied person I see here. Your conspiricy theories are a creation of a twisted mind. The US Government is not trying to keep the people parinoied and inside their houses. Dom you need to reverse the roles here man. What if they had flown a plane into Bib Ben or Westminster Abby (sp). Would you say, ohh we deserved it or would you be angry? Would you be a bit scared to go into public places? Would you want your government to tell you that there might be an attack somewher else? Of course you wouldnt your invulrable!!
Watch your back Dom the boogie man might get ya!
You are the only parinoied person I see here. Your conspiricy theories are a creation of a twisted mind. The US Government is not trying to keep the people parinoied and inside their houses. Dom you need to reverse the roles here man. What if they had flown a plane into Bib Ben or Westminster Abby (sp). Would you say, ohh we deserved it or would you be angry? Would you be a bit scared to go into public places? Would you want your government to tell you that there might be an attack somewher else? Of course you wouldnt your invulrable!!
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Location: San Diego California
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Posted:
Sorry to go off like that but Dom just steped on a nerve there, I left the post the way it was because I still feel that it needed to be said. I dont want to offend anyone though.
Sorry to go off like that but Dom just steped on a nerve there, I left the post the way it was because I still feel that it needed to be said. I dont want to offend anyone though.
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
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Dom has a good point. It's not like our gov't hasn't done things for their own gain. Vietnam is a good example. And if you act like a prosecutor would at a suspect, you would see motive, intent, and probably proof or at least STRONG circumstancial evidence of collusion.
More paranoia=more money for the military, defecit spending and bloated gov't agencies happy to trample on our "rights".
Man you "US can do no wrong people" really get to me.
I had to leave that last comment, cause I think it needs to be said.
(And don't go ranting about how people like me should just leave the country either.)
Happy 4th;I.D. Day USA!!!
Dom has a good point. It's not like our gov't hasn't done things for their own gain. Vietnam is a good example. And if you act like a prosecutor would at a suspect, you would see motive, intent, and probably proof or at least STRONG circumstancial evidence of collusion.
More paranoia=more money for the military, defecit spending and bloated gov't agencies happy to trample on our "rights".
Man you "US can do no wrong people" really get to me.
I had to leave that last comment, cause I think it needs to be said.
(And don't go ranting about how people like me should just leave the country either.)
Happy 4th;I.D. Day USA!!!
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Posted:
lol...ya you go toneman...lol go out and party your arses off bc its the 4th of july and our independence day!!! lets gol light stuff on fire and blow stuff up...err that might make us look a little too much like terrorists...so we better stick to just lighting things on fire...
peace kids and be safe...well if you cant be safe then make sure someone is being safe fore you!!
lol...ya you go toneman...lol go out and party your arses off bc its the 4th of july and our independence day!!! lets gol light stuff on fire and blow stuff up...err that might make us look a little too much like terrorists...so we better stick to just lighting things on fire...
peace kids and be safe...well if you cant be safe then make sure someone is being safe fore you!!
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Location: San Diego California
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Vietnam??? WTF America was not the only country in Vietnam! We were the biggest and the last to pull out thus left holding the bag, just like with WWI and the Germans. Germany didnt start WWI but they were the last to surrender.
Since september 11 ya know how much my pay has gone up?? 0 nada zip zilch!
My work load increased but my pay didnt hell this stuff that is going isnt making my pockets bigger its makeing me work more!
True though that the US government does do things for their own good, but so does every other government out there!!
Dom likes to portray the US as the source of all evil in the world. I feel that he hates America, not Americans but America as a country.
Ohh and people like you should just get the F#%k out of my country!
I left that last part in because it had to be said, tochea (sp?)
Vietnam??? WTF America was not the only country in Vietnam! We were the biggest and the last to pull out thus left holding the bag, just like with WWI and the Germans. Germany didnt start WWI but they were the last to surrender.
Since september 11 ya know how much my pay has gone up?? 0 nada zip zilch!
My work load increased but my pay didnt hell this stuff that is going isnt making my pockets bigger its makeing me work more!
True though that the US government does do things for their own good, but so does every other government out there!!
Dom likes to portray the US as the source of all evil in the world. I feel that he hates America, not Americans but America as a country.
Ohh and people like you should just get the F#%k out of my country!
I left that last part in because it had to be said, tochea (sp?)
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Posted:
Ray, I fail to see your point. And you're being patronising again (that's talking down to someone ). I'm not paranoid and I'm not a great believer in conspiracy theories. I say what I see. And I think this is old ground we're trampling over once again.
FYI In my life I've been a few streets away from 2 terrorist bombs, and within 15 miles away from many more. The UK never reacted like the US has and we never let paranoia get to the level it's at in the US today. Most people went about their lives as usual, they kept an eye out, but we didn't shun every Irish person or stock up on bombs.
It's a fact that the warnings the FBI are giving out are very, very vague and that the FBI didn't think they were worth broadcasting, but the White House wanted to make something of them.
Keeping the US public paranoid gives Bush more power and stops the US public asking questions about him or US policies that are currently causing even more international tension and terrorism. Telling them that Saddam is going to poison them with biological builds support for Bush to spend more on weapons (not your salary but million dollar bombs) and going to kick evil arse to protect the 'Homeland' (that word disturbs me, anyone else) creates votes.
Ray, I fail to see your point. And you're being patronising again (that's talking down to someone ). I'm not paranoid and I'm not a great believer in conspiracy theories. I say what I see. And I think this is old ground we're trampling over once again.
FYI In my life I've been a few streets away from 2 terrorist bombs, and within 15 miles away from many more. The UK never reacted like the US has and we never let paranoia get to the level it's at in the US today. Most people went about their lives as usual, they kept an eye out, but we didn't shun every Irish person or stock up on bombs.
It's a fact that the warnings the FBI are giving out are very, very vague and that the FBI didn't think they were worth broadcasting, but the White House wanted to make something of them.
Keeping the US public paranoid gives Bush more power and stops the US public asking questions about him or US policies that are currently causing even more international tension and terrorism. Telling them that Saddam is going to poison them with biological builds support for Bush to spend more on weapons (not your salary but million dollar bombs) and going to kick evil arse to protect the 'Homeland' (that word disturbs me, anyone else) creates votes.
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Dom your right about one thing, this is a nowhere fast argument. My frist point was simple, if parlament knew of a bomb would you not want them to tell you? If they just thought there could be a darn good chance of there being a bombing, would you want them to say something? I hope you answer would be yes to both those questions. I recant that your into conspiricy theories I think you just like to read too much into things. I doubt Bush wants to keep the public parinoid, I will agree that he wants to up military spending, but then again it does cost over $1,000,000 a day to run a aircraft carrier. You ever see how much fuel a singe F18 hornet can burn up? I am talking 1,000's of gallons in a short while.
Dom America has the most sophisticated military in the world, we are also the biggest arms supplier to the world. Also it doesnt all go to bombs. Do you know what the MWR is? Morale Welfare and Recreation. That part of the military is what keeps us in contact with our lovedones keeps us from going insaine. That is a multi million dollar a day part of the government too. How a bout houseing, I dont know about other Marines or any other branch for that matter but I dont want to live in a hooch for the 5 years I am in. Or maybe food, can I eat 3 square meals a day? If I had children are they not allowed an education?
My point is, is that military spending doesnt just go to bombs and weapons. I dont think that it is a wrong thing to do, to ask US taxpayers for 5 extra cents so that I can be allowed to call home every now and then, or sleep on a matress instead of the dirt.
There is two sides to every coin bud. You see military spending as just weapons, I see it as ne weapons and quality of life improvments.
Yes the FBI give vauge warnings. That is true, they do not do it so that Bush can have a tighter hold on the American people.
Bush is a politician, of course he is going to want to win votes, but your asking perfection from an inperfect man and an inperfect country.
What I said before was rude, and I am sorry to offend anyone. I still stand by what I said, and I know Dom will stand by what he said too.
Dom your right about one thing, this is a nowhere fast argument. My frist point was simple, if parlament knew of a bomb would you not want them to tell you? If they just thought there could be a darn good chance of there being a bombing, would you want them to say something? I hope you answer would be yes to both those questions. I recant that your into conspiricy theories I think you just like to read too much into things. I doubt Bush wants to keep the public parinoid, I will agree that he wants to up military spending, but then again it does cost over $1,000,000 a day to run a aircraft carrier. You ever see how much fuel a singe F18 hornet can burn up? I am talking 1,000's of gallons in a short while.
Dom America has the most sophisticated military in the world, we are also the biggest arms supplier to the world. Also it doesnt all go to bombs. Do you know what the MWR is? Morale Welfare and Recreation. That part of the military is what keeps us in contact with our lovedones keeps us from going insaine. That is a multi million dollar a day part of the government too. How a bout houseing, I dont know about other Marines or any other branch for that matter but I dont want to live in a hooch for the 5 years I am in. Or maybe food, can I eat 3 square meals a day? If I had children are they not allowed an education?
My point is, is that military spending doesnt just go to bombs and weapons. I dont think that it is a wrong thing to do, to ask US taxpayers for 5 extra cents so that I can be allowed to call home every now and then, or sleep on a matress instead of the dirt.
There is two sides to every coin bud. You see military spending as just weapons, I see it as ne weapons and quality of life improvments.
Yes the FBI give vauge warnings. That is true, they do not do it so that Bush can have a tighter hold on the American people.
Bush is a politician, of course he is going to want to win votes, but your asking perfection from an inperfect man and an inperfect country.
What I said before was rude, and I am sorry to offend anyone. I still stand by what I said, and I know Dom will stand by what he said too.
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Location: Oceanside, California USA
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Location: Oceanside, California USA
Posted:
Trying to face this topic as if it were a black and white - good or bad - issue seems a bit out of line..... I'd say the government has more reasons to their warnings than just wanting money.... I too believe there is a threat, but there always is -or say, one never really knows what might happen- and I'm not about to do anything differently... Hopefully everyone has a little more respect for what people who live in countries where terrorism happens regularly, face daily... You gotta live the best you can and not let fear get in your way...
I'm definately not someone who would say that "US Could do no Wrong," but I wouldn't say they are out for complete evil... And I still believe many people are quite weary of Bush's judgement AND of his actions abroad...
I just tried to touch on some of the points I saw... A lot has been discussed and I'm sorry if my thoughts strayed making for difficult digestion, but it's not such a simple topic .... Overall, as to the original post,Gotta take some risks to live life to the fullest- Sometimes it's risky to get into your car and drive down the street.. The risk doesn't stop most people,and it shouldn't... Live it up and go and do what you want to do where you want to be...
It's time for bed, so we'll see how things go tomorrow...
blah bleh bla phew
Trying to face this topic as if it were a black and white - good or bad - issue seems a bit out of line..... I'd say the government has more reasons to their warnings than just wanting money.... I too believe there is a threat, but there always is -or say, one never really knows what might happen- and I'm not about to do anything differently... Hopefully everyone has a little more respect for what people who live in countries where terrorism happens regularly, face daily... You gotta live the best you can and not let fear get in your way...
I'm definately not someone who would say that "US Could do no Wrong," but I wouldn't say they are out for complete evil... And I still believe many people are quite weary of Bush's judgement AND of his actions abroad...
quote:People are warned, but I wouldn't say they walk around paranoid..I often roll my eyes at the media's warnings, but I guess it's their job to tell people what they expect to hear and/or let rumors get spread.... There are many pissed off people as well who are unfortunately placing blame where it's not necessary- There are also people who see that the anger caused by US foreign policy in the past has led us to this point AND is being further fueled by the measures being taken at this moment... Then again, I don't like the idea of being in a plane or in line with somone at the grocery store who wants to kill me because I'm from the US..... I'm sure people around the world can relate to other terrorist groups they have to worry about....
The UK never reacted like the US has and we never let paranoia get to the level it's at in the US today. Most people went about their lives as usual, they kept an eye out, but we didn't shun every Irish person or stock up on bombs.
I just tried to touch on some of the points I saw... A lot has been discussed and I'm sorry if my thoughts strayed making for difficult digestion, but it's not such a simple topic .... Overall, as to the original post,Gotta take some risks to live life to the fullest- Sometimes it's risky to get into your car and drive down the street.. The risk doesn't stop most people,and it shouldn't... Live it up and go and do what you want to do where you want to be...
It's time for bed, so we'll see how things go tomorrow...
blah bleh bla phew
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Dulce, I am in complete agreement with you on that.
Dulce, I am in complete agreement with you on that.
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I'm starting to think that we need a political forum on this site, threads that end this way don't sit as well with some of the more friendly banter that goes on.
I'm starting to think that we need a political forum on this site, threads that end this way don't sit as well with some of the more friendly banter that goes on.
A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...
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Posted:
actually germany did pretty much start ww 1 but i dont like to point fingers.. it was the same ww 2 .. germany was trying to dominate there continent... and as far as vietnam goes or any war for that matter you can find political motives for our military being envolved.. of course. during a war a country will take as much benifit as they can from it... why not.. people are already dying for it, might as well make gain political or economical. people like to leave out the real reason that the us, british, french and other freedom loving countries fight.. we do it to save people from oppression and alot of times death, people that we dont even know.. particularlly england and the us.. these countries have fought side by side to free this world for a long long time.. so please dont rag on our goverments they arent so bad esspecially considering they could pretty much storm into just about any country and seize control with relative ease, but instead they use there power to try to keep some kind of balance in this crazy world... with that said HAPPY 4th of july everyone!! (sorry england but its usa day and of course everyone is welcome to party with us .) plur
actually germany did pretty much start ww 1 but i dont like to point fingers.. it was the same ww 2 .. germany was trying to dominate there continent... and as far as vietnam goes or any war for that matter you can find political motives for our military being envolved.. of course. during a war a country will take as much benifit as they can from it... why not.. people are already dying for it, might as well make gain political or economical. people like to leave out the real reason that the us, british, french and other freedom loving countries fight.. we do it to save people from oppression and alot of times death, people that we dont even know.. particularlly england and the us.. these countries have fought side by side to free this world for a long long time.. so please dont rag on our goverments they arent so bad esspecially considering they could pretty much storm into just about any country and seize control with relative ease, but instead they use there power to try to keep some kind of balance in this crazy world... with that said HAPPY 4th of july everyone!! (sorry england but its usa day and of course everyone is welcome to party with us .) plur
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Location: York, England
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Location: York, England
Posted:
I guess I'm happy for you and sad for the future of our nation.
quote:I'm not going to start. i don't want to start. I do go on political bulletin boards, international ones even, and sometimes i just get tired. however, if you still honest to whatever belive that that's the US gov motivation for doing anything...
people like to leave out the real reason that the us, british, french and other freedom loving countries fight.. we do it to save people from oppression and alot of times death, people that we dont even know..
I guess I'm happy for you and sad for the future of our nation.
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Posted:
and the govt. is not trying to make us parnoid conspiracy theory.. they got so much flack sept. 11th because the fbi and cia had info on the attacks that wasnt released to the public partlly because they did not want to make everyone paranoid.. this isnt somalia are president is not some war lord trying to control americans. the terrorists are the ones trying to use are fear to control us.. are goverment just wants people to keep there guard up because the everyday person on the street is the best defense against terror attacks..
thank you
im out
and the govt. is not trying to make us parnoid conspiracy theory.. they got so much flack sept. 11th because the fbi and cia had info on the attacks that wasnt released to the public partlly because they did not want to make everyone paranoid.. this isnt somalia are president is not some war lord trying to control americans. the terrorists are the ones trying to use are fear to control us.. are goverment just wants people to keep there guard up because the everyday person on the street is the best defense against terror attacks..
thank you
im out
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Posted:
wtf kyrian? dont say i dont want to start cause you just did only you had no intelligent arguement. and you "feel sorry for the future of our nation". why?? you think standing behind your country is wrong?? then pack your bags and move to afganistan. co habitating this planet with all the other races religons and backgrounds seems like it would be a pretty tricky business. of course there will be mistakes, and what do you mean by: "if you still honest to whatever belive that that's the US gov motivation for doing anything..."(nice typing by the way, i can barely understand your post) i noted other reasons that we fight: "during a war a country will take as much benifit as they can from it... why not.. people are already dying for it, might as well make gain political or economical." but there is always people that are begging for our assistance and we liberate them or atleast sacrafice our own troops lives in an attempt to... forget the goverment for a second... do you think soldiers would be ok with traveling thousands of miles to bleed and die for some oil or to put someone in power to give our leaders more power?? ya right..
to say that robs those men and women who fought and died of there honor. thats sad ..
wtf kyrian? dont say i dont want to start cause you just did only you had no intelligent arguement. and you "feel sorry for the future of our nation". why?? you think standing behind your country is wrong?? then pack your bags and move to afganistan. co habitating this planet with all the other races religons and backgrounds seems like it would be a pretty tricky business. of course there will be mistakes, and what do you mean by: "if you still honest to whatever belive that that's the US gov motivation for doing anything..."(nice typing by the way, i can barely understand your post) i noted other reasons that we fight: "during a war a country will take as much benifit as they can from it... why not.. people are already dying for it, might as well make gain political or economical." but there is always people that are begging for our assistance and we liberate them or atleast sacrafice our own troops lives in an attempt to... forget the goverment for a second... do you think soldiers would be ok with traveling thousands of miles to bleed and die for some oil or to put someone in power to give our leaders more power?? ya right..
to say that robs those men and women who fought and died of there honor. thats sad ..
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Posted:
"do you think soldiers would be ok with traveling thousands of miles to bleed and die for some oil or to put someone in power to give our leaders more power??"
Well, Ray here is a marine and if he got told to go and fight in a desert somewhere he would without asking why because that's what soldiers do - blindly follow orders. The public support is what's needed, which is exactly why it's dressed up as something else.
Which countries begged to have their leaders overthrown by the US?
The US doesn't always fight for freedom, in fact it consistently helps dictators maintain power or helps overthrow elected leaders. The US government doesn't care much about other people's freedom, only it's own freedom to exploit and the money pooring into their pockets.
If you blindly stand behind your country whatever it says or does without questioning why, asking deep questions, and using your own judgement, then you're a doomed fool.
And don't even think about having a go at Kyrian's typing until you discover the shift and return keys yourself.
[ 05 July 2002, 05:17: Message edited by: Dom ]
"do you think soldiers would be ok with traveling thousands of miles to bleed and die for some oil or to put someone in power to give our leaders more power??"
Well, Ray here is a marine and if he got told to go and fight in a desert somewhere he would without asking why because that's what soldiers do - blindly follow orders. The public support is what's needed, which is exactly why it's dressed up as something else.
Which countries begged to have their leaders overthrown by the US?
The US doesn't always fight for freedom, in fact it consistently helps dictators maintain power or helps overthrow elected leaders. The US government doesn't care much about other people's freedom, only it's own freedom to exploit and the money pooring into their pockets.
If you blindly stand behind your country whatever it says or does without questioning why, asking deep questions, and using your own judgement, then you're a doomed fool.
And don't even think about having a go at Kyrian's typing until you discover the shift and return keys yourself.
[ 05 July 2002, 05:17: Message edited by: Dom ]
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