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Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
Posted:
*sits down pulls out pipe*
*scratches chin*
hmmm, now..
why is it so much easier to do tangled buzzsaws spinning around in the opposite direction to the side where you enetered them, than spinning the other way, as the only difference is you have to go from innerhyperloop to outerhyperloop on the side you came in on to put one extra twist on the knot so it dosnt come untangled as soon as you exit from the first innerhyperloop??
the extra bit on the same way one i can do reliable into a totally normall looking hyperloop and ordinary hyperloop turns work fine that way. so therefore its just combining to things i get right most of the time.
*offers pipe*
*sits down pulls out pipe*
*scratches chin*
hmmm, now..
why is it so much easier to do tangled buzzsaws spinning around in the opposite direction to the side where you enetered them, than spinning the other way, as the only difference is you have to go from innerhyperloop to outerhyperloop on the side you came in on to put one extra twist on the knot so it dosnt come untangled as soon as you exit from the first innerhyperloop??
the extra bit on the same way one i can do reliable into a totally normall looking hyperloop and ordinary hyperloop turns work fine that way. so therefore its just combining to things i get right most of the time.
*offers pipe*
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
Miss Whippy
1,262 posts
Location: Cornwall & Oxford
1,262 posts
Location: Cornwall & Oxford
Posted:
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didnt understand a word, sorry hunny... but keep going with your monkey magic styleee!
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didnt understand a word, sorry hunny... but keep going with your monkey magic styleee!
Aim high and you'll know your limits, aim low and you'll never know how high you could have climbed.
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not with cactus
2,052 posts
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
not with cactus
2,052 posts
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
Posted:
ill show ya
ill show ya
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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Location: Aotearoa (NZ), New Zealand
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625 posts
Location: Aotearoa (NZ), New Zealand
Posted:
Its not harder either way. You just havn't "mastered" it YET
U could be always doing the same amount of rotations before you turn, sometimes you need an odd number somtimes an even number and sometimes you can do it both ways.
You can enter a hypbuzzsaw from buzz position, or from outside. To me it seems a little more difficult to hyperloop outside you right arm(example) and bring it into hypbuzz...than just straight into it.
Either way there is always a counter, a way to change the amount of rotations so it will come out clean.
For example, most people will let the chains tangle twice before moving the axis...maybe you could try letting it tangle 3times(3rot) before moving the tangle.
Trust me there is a massive difference.
Its not harder either way. You just havn't "mastered" it YET
U could be always doing the same amount of rotations before you turn, sometimes you need an odd number somtimes an even number and sometimes you can do it both ways.
You can enter a hypbuzzsaw from buzz position, or from outside. To me it seems a little more difficult to hyperloop outside you right arm(example) and bring it into hypbuzz...than just straight into it.
Either way there is always a counter, a way to change the amount of rotations so it will come out clean.
For example, most people will let the chains tangle twice before moving the axis...maybe you could try letting it tangle 3times(3rot) before moving the tangle.
Trust me there is a massive difference.
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Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA
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Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA
Posted:
*takes the pipe*
*scratches chin*
*ponders whats been said*
*stops hogging the pipe*
1) turning with the tangle.. when you turn with the tangle.. your hands more naturally maintain the buzzsaw... and keep a fluid switch off with the hands...
for example... lets say I do a tangled buzzsaw.. entering from the right.. my left hand doesnt really have to move.. as I turn left.. it kinda stays in place and my body turning puts the right arm outside where it should be.. complimenting the spin... and thus voila forward tangled buzzsaw to reverse, no outside beats..
2) turning against the tangle.. this works by the same principal as the one above.. only this time if I enter from the right I'm going to have the right hand stay pretty much in position and the left hand has to swing around.. and get a changeover that's just as smooth with no outside beats..
the thing is.. I guess I can't really help because I dont' know where the problem is.. specifically.. like.. are they coming untangled when you turn? if that's the case then you are doing on the wrong beat.. which is itself confusing since you can turn on anybeat.. lol..
see as the tangle spins.. it needs to wind around a string.. if you are entering from the right... then that means the left string is going to be the one wrapped upon.. so in order to turn right, the tangle will have to keep spinning around the left string as it turns.. which means that if you turn and the poi spin a beat without tangleing the string (which happens during the turn a lot.. ) if it comes out of the tanlge during the turn it means you spun a beat between...
hmm.. this is verry hard to explain..
ok... so your left string is like this L----------- (tangle)
and when you turn its going to be like this (tangle)---------L
and that's how the beats have to fall... if a beat spins while you left string is like this:
Code:
L
|
|
(tangle)
it means your string is near parallel with the spinning tanlge.. and thus the poi wont' continue to tangle around the left string.. so it comes undone....
that probably wasnt helpful at all..
its the epipe... got me all etarded.. so I'm going to get my irlpipe..
sorry man..
*takes the pipe*
*scratches chin*
*ponders whats been said*
*stops hogging the pipe*
1) turning with the tangle.. when you turn with the tangle.. your hands more naturally maintain the buzzsaw... and keep a fluid switch off with the hands...
for example... lets say I do a tangled buzzsaw.. entering from the right.. my left hand doesnt really have to move.. as I turn left.. it kinda stays in place and my body turning puts the right arm outside where it should be.. complimenting the spin... and thus voila forward tangled buzzsaw to reverse, no outside beats..
2) turning against the tangle.. this works by the same principal as the one above.. only this time if I enter from the right I'm going to have the right hand stay pretty much in position and the left hand has to swing around.. and get a changeover that's just as smooth with no outside beats..
the thing is.. I guess I can't really help because I dont' know where the problem is.. specifically.. like.. are they coming untangled when you turn? if that's the case then you are doing on the wrong beat.. which is itself confusing since you can turn on anybeat.. lol..
see as the tangle spins.. it needs to wind around a string.. if you are entering from the right... then that means the left string is going to be the one wrapped upon.. so in order to turn right, the tangle will have to keep spinning around the left string as it turns.. which means that if you turn and the poi spin a beat without tangleing the string (which happens during the turn a lot.. ) if it comes out of the tanlge during the turn it means you spun a beat between...
hmm.. this is verry hard to explain..
ok... so your left string is like this L----------- (tangle)
and when you turn its going to be like this (tangle)---------L
and that's how the beats have to fall... if a beat spins while you left string is like this:
Code:
L
|
|
(tangle)
it means your string is near parallel with the spinning tanlge.. and thus the poi wont' continue to tangle around the left string.. so it comes undone....
that probably wasnt helpful at all..
its the epipe... got me all etarded.. so I'm going to get my irlpipe..
sorry man..
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Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
Posted:
hmm thanks for trying to sort me out. but its not that i have a problem, more that its all very very intresting i feel...
i havnt worked out how to come out of the tangle on the opposite side without it coming untangled without doing the extra outer twist on the same side. that method seems to work fine.
hmm thanks for trying to sort me out. but its not that i have a problem, more that its all very very intresting i feel...
i havnt worked out how to come out of the tangle on the opposite side without it coming untangled without doing the extra outer twist on the same side. that method seems to work fine.
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
veteran
1,376 posts
Location: London, UK
1,376 posts
Location: London, UK
Posted:
It's just timing I think. Adding the extra spin to the hyperloop so that it goes in after 3 spins rather than 2 is quite tricky. I found it easier to learn it by doing hyperloops with my hands at 12 and 6 o'clock... seems to fall out more naturally that way.
It's just timing I think. Adding the extra spin to the hyperloop so that it goes in after 3 spins rather than 2 is quite tricky. I found it easier to learn it by doing hyperloops with my hands at 12 and 6 o'clock... seems to fall out more naturally that way.
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Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA
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Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA
Posted:
it is in the timing... but the thing is.. sometimes they spin faster and sometimes they spin slower (granted only fractrions of a second but you'd be amazed how much of a difference that makes)... then again.. maybe thats just my short strings..
and it makes it easier to get the timing right when you know roughly where your poi should be when the poi cross.. and that's easier to guage by mistakes then by actually getting right.. lets you leanr how much leeway (sp?) you have..
it is in the timing... but the thing is.. sometimes they spin faster and sometimes they spin slower (granted only fractrions of a second but you'd be amazed how much of a difference that makes)... then again.. maybe thats just my short strings..
and it makes it easier to get the timing right when you know roughly where your poi should be when the poi cross.. and that's easier to guage by mistakes then by actually getting right.. lets you leanr how much leeway (sp?) you have..
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