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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
I was just watching yet another documentry on deforestation in Brazil, and it occured to me that we could have a lot more trees over here.
There's a limit to what can be done to stop deforestation elsewhere, though I'm glad that there are people doing their best.
I can see a lot of benefits to having more trees here- a minor contribution to the atmosphere (obviously not to the extent that the rainforests do of course, but every little helps), a closeness to nature as the next few generations grow up in woodland, and less obsession with cars/roads.
Also, most of the small local festivals I've been to this summer have suffered from rain; if they were held in woodland in would be less of a problem, and much easier to rig up some shelter.
Of course, a lot of people see ideas like living closer to nature, de-reliance on cars and de-emphasis on economic growth (a likely side effect of having more trees) as constituting 'going backwards'.
In fact this seems to be the knee jerk response to any such suggestions.
But I reckon it can be argued that it is in fact a step forwards, an integration of some of our useful technologies (eg, perhaps some of the IT ones, and others that are less polluting etc) and modern ideas; with the good aspects of the more primitive life we're leaving behind (growing our own food, lots of trees, an appreciation of simpler things etc).
Cos, at the end of the day, all it takes is to step on a bus full of people going to/coming from work and look at the faces, to see that, for all our modern ways, most people in our culture are far from happy.
I think more trees would not merely be of an immediate practical value, but also act as a symbol for a new attitude, where the emphasis isn't on faster cars, better DVDs etc, but on developing a self contained contentment with the free things in life.
I've written this pretty much straight off, normally I'd save it on a notepad file and modify it so it doesn't come across as naive/stupid, but I thought I'd just throw it out as it is (I've just finsihed a rather harsh 12 hour migraine attack with nastry auras, lots of pain, vomiting and basically a day spent in bed endevouring to be unconscious- it's always nice to be back to normal after one of theose
Ideas are welcome, as is critisism- but I'd appreciate it if it was kept sincere and friendly.
I was just watching yet another documentry on deforestation in Brazil, and it occured to me that we could have a lot more trees over here.
There's a limit to what can be done to stop deforestation elsewhere, though I'm glad that there are people doing their best.
I can see a lot of benefits to having more trees here- a minor contribution to the atmosphere (obviously not to the extent that the rainforests do of course, but every little helps), a closeness to nature as the next few generations grow up in woodland, and less obsession with cars/roads.
Also, most of the small local festivals I've been to this summer have suffered from rain; if they were held in woodland in would be less of a problem, and much easier to rig up some shelter.
Of course, a lot of people see ideas like living closer to nature, de-reliance on cars and de-emphasis on economic growth (a likely side effect of having more trees) as constituting 'going backwards'.
In fact this seems to be the knee jerk response to any such suggestions.
But I reckon it can be argued that it is in fact a step forwards, an integration of some of our useful technologies (eg, perhaps some of the IT ones, and others that are less polluting etc) and modern ideas; with the good aspects of the more primitive life we're leaving behind (growing our own food, lots of trees, an appreciation of simpler things etc).
Cos, at the end of the day, all it takes is to step on a bus full of people going to/coming from work and look at the faces, to see that, for all our modern ways, most people in our culture are far from happy.
I think more trees would not merely be of an immediate practical value, but also act as a symbol for a new attitude, where the emphasis isn't on faster cars, better DVDs etc, but on developing a self contained contentment with the free things in life.
I've written this pretty much straight off, normally I'd save it on a notepad file and modify it so it doesn't come across as naive/stupid, but I thought I'd just throw it out as it is (I've just finsihed a rather harsh 12 hour migraine attack with nastry auras, lots of pain, vomiting and basically a day spent in bed endevouring to be unconscious- it's always nice to be back to normal after one of theose
Ideas are welcome, as is critisism- but I'd appreciate it if it was kept sincere and friendly.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
We spent yesterday shifting friut trees in our yard to save them and a small fortune on shrubs for the garden as well.
Here local councils will provide you with trees suitable for suburbia verge planting.
Not quite what you meant I know but local environment is good as well.
We spent yesterday shifting friut trees in our yard to save them and a small fortune on shrubs for the garden as well.
Here local councils will provide you with trees suitable for suburbia verge planting.
Not quite what you meant I know but local environment is good as well.
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posted:
it's a shame that most people nowadays are more inclined to notice whoever has the newest/biggest/fastest car on the way to work, than the simple things like buds on the trees in the spring, and the amazing autumnal reds & golds....
most of irelands native woodlands have long vanished, and what precious little remains is often destroyed to make way for motorways, golf courses etc. this makes me quite mad, considering this country is world renouned as the "Emerald Isle". i'm a member of a local conservation group and every year we hold an open tree-planting day in the area. always receives a great turnout and it's great day out for all walks of life.
practising tai chi or qi gong under a tree is one of my favourite pastimes it has a profound affect on your energy levels
it's a shame that most people nowadays are more inclined to notice whoever has the newest/biggest/fastest car on the way to work, than the simple things like buds on the trees in the spring, and the amazing autumnal reds & golds....
most of irelands native woodlands have long vanished, and what precious little remains is often destroyed to make way for motorways, golf courses etc. this makes me quite mad, considering this country is world renouned as the "Emerald Isle". i'm a member of a local conservation group and every year we hold an open tree-planting day in the area. always receives a great turnout and it's great day out for all walks of life.
practising tai chi or qi gong under a tree is one of my favourite pastimes
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playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
MORE TREES MORE TREES!! I agree completely. Although I did chop one down in my garden as it was killing more than it sutained and was in a very unnatural place as it's an old chrstmas tree someone planted about 15 years ago. I felt very guilty but I'm putting the wood to good use (no not fires!) and I've left a 10 foot stump in the garden to use at a later date. The main point was to remove it to give light and life to my veggie patch which is now doing very well indeed. I have potatoes and corgettes and carrots and leeks and peas and spring onions and lettuce and cabbage and beans and radish and brocolli
I'm amazed by that article fab, I did always wonder why it was called emerald ilse when there's nothing but grass. Which yes is green but it's hardly "greenery" if you catch my drift.
MORE TREES MORE TREES!! I agree completely. Although I did chop one down in my garden as it was killing more than it sutained and was in a very unnatural place as it's an old chrstmas tree someone planted about 15 years ago. I felt very guilty but I'm putting the wood to good use (no not fires!) and I've left a 10 foot stump in the garden to use at a later date. The main point was to remove it to give light and life to my veggie patch which is now doing very well indeed. I have potatoes and corgettes and carrots and leeks and peas and spring onions and lettuce and cabbage and beans and radish and brocolli
I'm amazed by that article fab, I did always wonder why it was called emerald ilse when there's nothing but grass. Which yes is green but it's hardly "greenery" if you catch my drift.
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k
182 posts
182 posts
Posted:
Beware The Trees! they are not always friendly !
Heatwave Britain - when the trees turn toxic
By Richard Alleyne and Ben Fenton
(Filed: 10/05/2004)
The green lungs of the countryside, fondly imagined to be our greatest defence against air pollution, could actually be having the reverse effect, scientists said yesterday.
Researchers claim to have discovered that the commonly held view that trees and plants act as filters, purifying the air and reducing harmful gases, is turned on its head during times of extreme heat.
According to a team from York University, when temperatures top 95F (35C), our native plants and trees start emitting "cooling" chemicals such as isoprene and turpene into the atmosphere which in turn encourage the production of ozone.
The toxic gas, which is particularly dangerous for children, the elderly and asthmatics, was responsible for as many as 600 deaths during last summer's record-breaking hot spell, it is believed.
And with heatwaves like last summer's - when temperatures reached 100F (37.7C) - expected to become more regular due to global warming, the phenomenon could reverse Britain's recent improvements in air quality.
"Current predictions suggest that the heatwaves could happen 10 times more often," said Prof Alan Thorpe of the Natural Environment Research Council's Centres of Atmospheric Science, which funded the research.
"Along with all our other problems, we are going to have to deal with severe ozone pollution."
The new source of atmospheric pollution could mean thousands of Britons having to wear charcoal masks and stay indoors during heatwaves to avoid the clouds of ozone.
The team discovered the new source of pollution when it studied ozone levels in Chelmsford, Essex, during August last year.
"By chance, we picked the two weeks of the heatwave. What we discovered was startling," said Alastair Lewis, who led the research. "When the temperature reached the high 90s and topped 100, plants and trees, which normally give off relatively small amounts of isoprene, started to produce greatly increased amounts."
It is thought that isoprene, which is released by deciduous trees, and turpene, which is emitted by evergreen trees, help protect leaves from heat and sun damage.
In the atmosphere isoprene and turpene act as catalysts, increasing the rate at which sunlight breaks down nitrogen oxide - a car pollutant - into ozone. The more isoprene and turpene there is, the more ozone is produced from smaller amounts of nitrogen oxide.
European law states that governments must warn the public when hourly concentrations of ozone rise above 180 microgrammes per cubic metre. On Aug 6 last year, ozone levels in London peaked at 300.
But Prof David Fowler, director of biogeochemical cycles in the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Edinburgh, cautioned against over-reaction. "Most of the human health effects literature on this comes from North America," he said. "Basically, we are getting to where America was 20 to 30 years ago.
"I think the more worrying thing is that whereas in Europe we are now good at controlling the peaks of ozone production in hot summers, the background levels have been steadily rising.
"The production of ozone in North America, China, India and elsewhere has reached a point where it is swirling around the entire hemisphere.
"We could be looking at planting trees that produce little or no isoprene or turpene, but realistically the best way to counter this is to reduce our production of both ozone and nitrogen oxides from industrial and personal processes."
Nothing like a little bit of scaremongering
Original article
Beware The Trees! they are not always friendly !
Heatwave Britain - when the trees turn toxic
By Richard Alleyne and Ben Fenton
(Filed: 10/05/2004)
The green lungs of the countryside, fondly imagined to be our greatest defence against air pollution, could actually be having the reverse effect, scientists said yesterday.
Researchers claim to have discovered that the commonly held view that trees and plants act as filters, purifying the air and reducing harmful gases, is turned on its head during times of extreme heat.
According to a team from York University, when temperatures top 95F (35C), our native plants and trees start emitting "cooling" chemicals such as isoprene and turpene into the atmosphere which in turn encourage the production of ozone.
The toxic gas, which is particularly dangerous for children, the elderly and asthmatics, was responsible for as many as 600 deaths during last summer's record-breaking hot spell, it is believed.
And with heatwaves like last summer's - when temperatures reached 100F (37.7C) - expected to become more regular due to global warming, the phenomenon could reverse Britain's recent improvements in air quality.
"Current predictions suggest that the heatwaves could happen 10 times more often," said Prof Alan Thorpe of the Natural Environment Research Council's Centres of Atmospheric Science, which funded the research.
"Along with all our other problems, we are going to have to deal with severe ozone pollution."
The new source of atmospheric pollution could mean thousands of Britons having to wear charcoal masks and stay indoors during heatwaves to avoid the clouds of ozone.
The team discovered the new source of pollution when it studied ozone levels in Chelmsford, Essex, during August last year.
"By chance, we picked the two weeks of the heatwave. What we discovered was startling," said Alastair Lewis, who led the research. "When the temperature reached the high 90s and topped 100, plants and trees, which normally give off relatively small amounts of isoprene, started to produce greatly increased amounts."
It is thought that isoprene, which is released by deciduous trees, and turpene, which is emitted by evergreen trees, help protect leaves from heat and sun damage.
In the atmosphere isoprene and turpene act as catalysts, increasing the rate at which sunlight breaks down nitrogen oxide - a car pollutant - into ozone. The more isoprene and turpene there is, the more ozone is produced from smaller amounts of nitrogen oxide.
European law states that governments must warn the public when hourly concentrations of ozone rise above 180 microgrammes per cubic metre. On Aug 6 last year, ozone levels in London peaked at 300.
But Prof David Fowler, director of biogeochemical cycles in the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Edinburgh, cautioned against over-reaction. "Most of the human health effects literature on this comes from North America," he said. "Basically, we are getting to where America was 20 to 30 years ago.
"I think the more worrying thing is that whereas in Europe we are now good at controlling the peaks of ozone production in hot summers, the background levels have been steadily rising.
"The production of ozone in North America, China, India and elsewhere has reached a point where it is swirling around the entire hemisphere.
"We could be looking at planting trees that produce little or no isoprene or turpene, but realistically the best way to counter this is to reduce our production of both ozone and nitrogen oxides from industrial and personal processes."
Nothing like a little bit of scaremongering
Original article
Sponge
883 posts
Location: Stevenage
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Location: Stevenage
Posted:
Lol, but when do we ever get extreme heat in england? We have nice woodlands to walk through here but to be fair, i'm in the countryside... the woods are only a short walk away and they're lush when the sun just comes up and deer comes within 5 feet of you while your sitting in a clearing created by a huge tree in the middle (making it not so clear) i am all for more trees... they're even fun to climb on if they're old enough to handle it. I don't wrap string around them, i just climb which i think is less harm and gives the tree some exercise...
Isn't ireland national park thingy the setting for neanderthal??? I want to visit, it looks lovely!
Lol, but when do we ever get extreme heat in england? We have nice woodlands to walk through here but to be fair, i'm in the countryside... the woods are only a short walk away and they're lush when the sun just comes up and deer comes within 5 feet of you while your sitting in a clearing created by a huge tree in the middle (making it not so clear) i am all for more trees... they're even fun to climb on if they're old enough to handle it. I don't wrap string around them, i just climb which i think is less harm and gives the tree some exercise...
Isn't ireland national park thingy the setting for neanderthal??? I want to visit, it looks lovely!
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not with cactus
2,052 posts
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
not with cactus
2,052 posts
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
Posted:
more trees... yep, i agree thatd be a good thing, proper trees though, non of this coniforous whatnot.
but it aint gonna happen instantly. if we all plant one tree somehwhere maybe in 400 years time, england will be wooded once again.
more trees... yep, i agree thatd be a good thing, proper trees though, non of this coniforous whatnot.
but it aint gonna happen instantly. if we all plant one tree somehwhere maybe in 400 years time, england will be wooded once again.
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They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
k
182 posts
182 posts
Posted:
yeah right... thats how The day of the triffids started too. everyone had an innocent triffid in their garden as they were so nice... then one day THE TRIFFIDS WENT BAD!!!
One hot sunny day later in the real world....
yeah right... thats how The day of the triffids started too. everyone had an innocent triffid in their garden as they were so nice... then one day THE TRIFFIDS WENT BAD!!!
One hot sunny day later in the real world....
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old hand
1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
old hand
1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
Posted:
Most local councils will provide free saplings for you to plant if you ask them. I have a druid friend who went in full robes to ask for them, they said he could have them as long as he didn't plant a sacred circle.
He planted a sacred square.
Most local councils will provide free saplings for you to plant if you ask them. I have a druid friend who went in full robes to ask for them, they said he could have them as long as he didn't plant a sacred circle.
He planted a sacred square.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
Sacred square. That's sooo cool
Sacred square. That's sooo cool Let's relight this forum
Shoryuken!
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England
Posted:
Walking by Henry David Thoreau.
This is a nice essay/lecture that might get a few of you thinking.
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I think that I cannot preserve my health and spirits, unless I spend
four hours a day at least -- and it is commonly more than
that -- sauntering through the woods and over the hills and fields,
absolutely free from all worldly engagements. You may safely say,
A penny for your thoughts, or a thousand pounds. When sometimes
I am reminded that the mechanics and shopkeepers stay in their
shops not only all the forenoon, but all the afternoon too, sitting
with crossed legs, so many of them -- as if the legs were made to
sit upon, and not to stand or walk upon -- I think that they deserve
some credit for not having all committed suicide long ago.
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The civilized nations -- Greece, Rome, England -- have been
sustained by the primitive forests which anciently rotted where they
stand. They survive as long as the soil is not exhausted. Alas for
human culture! little is to be expected of a nation, when the
vegetable mould is exhausted, and it is compelled to make manure
of the bones of its fathers. There the poet sustains himself merely
by his own superfluous fat, and the philosopher comes down on his
marrow-bones.
Respect
Davy
Walking by Henry David Thoreau.
This is a nice essay/lecture that might get a few of you thinking.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that I cannot preserve my health and spirits, unless I spend
four hours a day at least -- and it is commonly more than
that -- sauntering through the woods and over the hills and fields,
absolutely free from all worldly engagements. You may safely say,
A penny for your thoughts, or a thousand pounds. When sometimes
I am reminded that the mechanics and shopkeepers stay in their
shops not only all the forenoon, but all the afternoon too, sitting
with crossed legs, so many of them -- as if the legs were made to
sit upon, and not to stand or walk upon -- I think that they deserve
some credit for not having all committed suicide long ago.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The civilized nations -- Greece, Rome, England -- have been
sustained by the primitive forests which anciently rotted where they
stand. They survive as long as the soil is not exhausted. Alas for
human culture! little is to be expected of a nation, when the
vegetable mould is exhausted, and it is compelled to make manure
of the bones of its fathers. There the poet sustains himself merely
by his own superfluous fat, and the philosopher comes down on his
marrow-bones.
Respect
Davy
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Super Gidg!!!!
8,506 posts
Location: Portland Oregon USA
Super Gidg!!!!
8,506 posts
Location: Portland Oregon USA
Posted:
Until I moved to Texas I couldn't imagine a place without lots of trees. In my home town we have a green space that is literally thousands of acres that actually split the metropolis in half. Downtown there are the park blocks, which is 12 blocks long that actually start where the university park ends. We have parks in town that have old growth and trails that stretch for miles.
We have a city law that require every property to have at least three trees planted, and even on our small postage size piece of land we have eleven trees.
I say plant MORE trees!!! and in response to Mageshroom's article on Heatwave Britian - when trees turn toxic. Maybe if we had not demolished so much of our worlds forests, polluted the air and started destroying the ozone layer we would not have had such drastic reactions when plants creating more ozone to keep us safe.
Until I moved to Texas I couldn't imagine a place without lots of trees. In my home town we have a green space that is literally thousands of acres that actually split the metropolis in half. Downtown there are the park blocks, which is 12 blocks long that actually start where the university park ends. We have parks in town that have old growth and trails that stretch for miles.
We have a city law that require every property to have at least three trees planted, and even on our small postage size piece of land we have eleven trees.
I say plant MORE trees!!! and in response to Mageshroom's article on Heatwave Britian - when trees turn toxic. Maybe if we had not demolished so much of our worlds forests, polluted the air and started destroying the ozone layer we would not have had such drastic reactions when plants creating more ozone to keep us safe.
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Location: Suburbiton, Yoo-Kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
i
trees
...so i went apeshit a few years ago when one of my wealthy neighbours chopped down a whole load of beautiful mature scots pine to make way for a new wall..
there's so many f*in cowboy tree surgeons who'll do away with perfecty healthy mature trees for th benifit of w*nkers with money before anyone can do anything to get them protected! grrrr... 
interestningly there are areas of forest round wher i grew up where thy are felling big swathes of forest to make room for heath land which i supposed to have naturally occured there. using this logic surely we should begin re-planting forests in all the agricultural space we use? i dunno. i guess conservationists know what thy're tlking about more than i do...
nice thread dave!
i
trees...so i went apeshit a few years ago when one of my wealthy neighbours chopped down a whole load of beautiful mature scots pine to make way for a new wall..
there's so many f*in cowboy tree surgeons who'll do away with perfecty healthy mature trees for th benifit of w*nkers with money before anyone can do anything to get them protected! grrrr... interestningly there are areas of forest round wher i grew up where thy are felling big swathes of forest to make room for heath land which i supposed to have naturally occured there. using this logic surely we should begin re-planting forests in all the agricultural space we use? i dunno. i guess conservationists know what thy're tlking about more than i do...
nice thread dave!
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Carpal \'Tunnel
2,617 posts
Location: Berlin, Ireland
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,617 posts
Location: Berlin, Ireland
Posted:
The best part would be more tree houses and more monkey butlers. At first there'd be only one or 2 they'd train more.
Concerning the scaremongering article. The last paragraph sums it up really
"We could be looking at planting trees that produce little or no isoprene or turpene, but realistically the best way to counter this is to reduce our production of both ozone and nitrogen oxides from industrial and personal processes."
The best part would be more tree houses and more monkey butlers. At first there'd be only one or 2 they'd train more.
Concerning the scaremongering article. The last paragraph sums it up really
"We could be looking at planting trees that produce little or no isoprene or turpene, but realistically the best way to counter this is to reduce our production of both ozone and nitrogen oxides from industrial and personal processes."
I live in a world of infinite possibilities.
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
More trees where?
(Yes a sincere question)
More trees where?
(Yes a sincere question)
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Shoryuken!
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England
Posted:
Parks, near public buildings, peoples gardens, farmland. I think farmers here in England actually get extra subsidies if they have a certain amount of trees growing on their land and in their fields, although I could be wrong.
Davy
Parks, near public buildings, peoples gardens, farmland. I think farmers here in England actually get extra subsidies if they have a certain amount of trees growing on their land and in their fields, although I could be wrong.
Davy
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A perth girl gone walkabout...
396 posts
Location: Back home in Perth WA, Australia
A perth girl gone walkabout...
396 posts
Location: Back home in Perth WA, Australia
Posted:
I know farmers over here have a problem with salt, after having cleared so much land, the water table is rising, and bringing salt with it, destroying their farming land and making it unuseable, so farmers are having to replant trees to keep the water table, and hence the salt, lower.
But i love trees, there are several battles on at the moment to clear old growth forests in our south west. My housemate and some friends get involved in naked protests thru the city to protest over logging in their favourite one.
I don't know why people want expanses on lawn on their properties... once past a certain age, you never play on it, and pets seem enjoy running around trees and thru bushes as much if not more than grass. And the shade of trees helps keep your house cooler in summer, and provides homes for all types of creatures. And with the problems here with water (Its half way thru winter and our dams are 25% full) grass is certainly not the best option. It just gets dry and patchy and takes a lot of water to establish/reestablish.
(Also don't know why more people don't have rainwater tanks as water is a big issue??)
My dream one day is to buy my own place and turn it into my own private overgrown jungle with lots of little nooks and craneys and hideaway corners and bird feeders
I know farmers over here have a problem with salt, after having cleared so much land, the water table is rising, and bringing salt with it, destroying their farming land and making it unuseable, so farmers are having to replant trees to keep the water table, and hence the salt, lower.
But i love trees, there are several battles on at the moment to clear old growth forests in our south west. My housemate and some friends get involved in naked protests thru the city to protest over logging in their favourite one.
I don't know why people want expanses on lawn on their properties... once past a certain age, you never play on it, and pets seem enjoy running around trees and thru bushes as much if not more than grass. And the shade of trees helps keep your house cooler in summer, and provides homes for all types of creatures. And with the problems here with water (Its half way thru winter and our dams are 25% full) grass is certainly not the best option. It just gets dry and patchy and takes a lot of water to establish/reestablish.
(Also don't know why more people don't have rainwater tanks as water is a big issue??)
My dream one day is to buy my own place and turn it into my own private overgrown jungle with lots of little nooks and craneys and hideaway corners and bird feeders
I smile because i have no idea whats going on!!
veteran
1,359 posts
Location: London/ Surrey
1,359 posts
Location: London/ Surrey
Posted:
Sounds like a good idea, Mele!
Sounds like a good idea, Mele!
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The pessimist fears this is true.
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Shoryuken!
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England
Posted:
I agree, I'd much prefer to spend time in some neglected corner of someones land, full of trees and nooks and what not, than be in the most well-kept of gardens. Nature is just so much more interesting and enjoyable.
I agree, I'd much prefer to spend time in some neglected corner of someones land, full of trees and nooks and what not, than be in the most well-kept of gardens. Nature is just so much more interesting and enjoyable.
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enthusiast
200 posts
Location: Harare, Zimbabwe, United Kingdom
enthusiast
200 posts
Location: Harare, Zimbabwe, United Kingdom
Posted:
Trees are great, well said OWD! The world would be in a better state than it is if everybody took half an hour a day to hug trees. If you've never done this you are missing out, its a wonderful thing! In Zim at the moment its a sad state of affairs - due to the rotten economy and largely peasant population, trees are being chopped down left, right and centre, some for carvings to sell to the three tourists we get every year, but mostly for firewood, so as you drive along you see bucketsfull of wood being carted all over the show...
Anyhow, a great post, I'm going outside right now to plant a tree...
Trees are great, well said OWD! The world would be in a better state than it is if everybody took half an hour a day to hug trees. If you've never done this you are missing out, its a wonderful thing! In Zim at the moment its a sad state of affairs - due to the rotten economy and largely peasant population, trees are being chopped down left, right and centre, some for carvings to sell to the three tourists we get every year, but mostly for firewood, so as you drive along you see bucketsfull of wood being carted all over the show...
Anyhow, a great post, I'm going outside right now to plant a tree...
Don't worry, be happy...
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