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Posted:
Addressing the experienced spinners:
People sometimes think that they know Poi or can do every move
. . . so a question that crosses my mind from time to time: How far are we at the moment ? How far can we take Poi ?
In my oppinion we made the first steps in discovering what is possible. But we are far away of what is possible (from what i have seen so far; havent met arashi yet).
Like we have build a Piano. Far from being perfect, with many keys missing - but we are able to play in a way that it sound (looks) nicely - still we are far away from playing real songs.
For me technical spinning is a very important part of the whole concept (dancing, moving, flowing . . . ). You can play a nice melody on a piano with 8 keys - but using the whole piano just offers more possibilities !
So if you think you know Poi:
- Do you really know how to control your timting?
(Keeping the Timing, Shifting between the timings, e.g. try a 2:1 Butterfly )
- Do you have real control over your moves?
(A 5 beat BHB should not be more difficult to play as a normal 3 beat)
- Can you do all "basic" combinations ?
(Basic not as easy but rather no wrap/isolation/extension/turn/throw/pass... e.g. 4BeatTTN BHB)
- Can you do all "advanced" combinations ?
- etc....
Of course you dont have to do all this !
Again the comparison with a piano: You can play for your enjoyment, the enjoyment of others or you can try to push the art . . . and I would like to know how far we can go !?!
My Opinion so far - whats yours ?
andy
Addressing the experienced spinners:
People sometimes think that they know Poi or can do every move
. . . so a question that crosses my mind from time to time: How far are we at the moment ? How far can we take Poi ?In my oppinion we made the first steps in discovering what is possible. But we are far away of what is possible (from what i have seen so far; havent met arashi yet).
Like we have build a Piano. Far from being perfect, with many keys missing - but we are able to play in a way that it sound (looks) nicely - still we are far away from playing real songs.
For me technical spinning is a very important part of the whole concept (dancing, moving, flowing . . . ). You can play a nice melody on a piano with 8 keys - but using the whole piano just offers more possibilities !
So if you think you know Poi:
- Do you really know how to control your timting?
(Keeping the Timing, Shifting between the timings, e.g. try a 2:1 Butterfly )
- Do you have real control over your moves?
(A 5 beat BHB should not be more difficult to play as a normal 3 beat)
- Can you do all "basic" combinations ?
(Basic not as easy but rather no wrap/isolation/extension/turn/throw/pass... e.g. 4BeatTTN BHB)
- Can you do all "advanced" combinations ?
- etc....
Of course you dont have to do all this !
Again the comparison with a piano: You can play for your enjoyment, the enjoyment of others or you can try to push the art . . . and I would like to know how far we can go !?!
My Opinion so far - whats yours ?
andy
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Ivetka
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Posted:
hi,ye,u are right..!
i cannot say that i know every moves with poi but i now enough to enjoy it and show my art to other people..
its true that i learn everyday and its as i took pois first time to my hands..i really happy when i make a movement which i couldnt make before..
i think,we can learn always a new things..
we can be only better at it...
..and a important thing.."dont forget why u do it..!"
fox29
hi,ye,u are right..!
i cannot say that i know every moves with poi but i now enough to enjoy it and show my art to other people..
its true that i learn everyday and its as i took pois first time to my hands..i really happy when i make a movement which i couldnt make before..
i think,we can learn always a new things..
we can be only better at it...
..and a important thing.."dont forget why u do it..!"
fox29
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Posted:
I consider everything on spherculism to be at the level of initiate.
Certainly no where near any kind of intermediate or advanced.
We do not yet even understand the 'alphabet' let allow the 'poetry'
¦m¦
I consider everything on spherculism to be at the level of initiate.
Certainly no where near any kind of intermediate or advanced.
We do not yet even understand the 'alphabet' let allow the 'poetry'
¦m¦
Spherculism ~:~ The Act of becoming Spherculish.
Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
i think it's pretty limitless.
using you analogy of the piano - people in the baroque period thought they'd got it down, but along comes post modernism & prepared pianos and you have to start all over again.
i think there will never be an end - there is always someone with the imagination and drive to push things even further forward. I guess thats how meteors got started - yet more imagination!
i think it's pretty limitless.
using you analogy of the piano - people in the baroque period thought they'd got it down, but along comes post modernism & prepared pianos and you have to start all over again.
i think there will never be an end - there is always someone with the imagination and drive to push things even further forward. I guess thats how meteors got started - yet more imagination!
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Posted:
We're all eternal beginners - there's always a lot more to learn.
Also any question posed that contain the word 'all' e.g. "Can you do all "basic" combinations?" is flawed as we don't know what 'all' is as it is vast. Isolations, airwraps weren't around a few years ago, so the 'all' is continously evolving.
The use of the word 'or' implies they are mutually exclusive - I would say that they are all essential in various degrees in order to push the art.
I've done a little bit of thinking about 'knowing' poi and levels of skill and it seems to me moves have little to do with it - 'knowing' a skill is about understanding and developing an inherent, intrinsic knowledge, control and feel for a skill.
A beginner lacks control of their poi, the poi move and they struggle to direct the poi in moves. In a way the poi are more in control of themselves than the spinner.
An intermediate beginner has control of the poi, but regardless of how many moves they know they're not advanced.
An advanced beginner does not control thier poi, there is symbiosis between poi and person, they are guided through movements and the spinner does not always know where they are and where they're going, but instead feels within himself where they are and where they're going. It's a spiral flow.
Or maybe I just use these descriptions because I can't do a 5 beat btb weave, don't care that I can't do a 5 beat btb. I do care that I'm happy when I'm living, spinning and loving.
We're all eternal beginners - there's always a lot more to learn.
Also any question posed that contain the word 'all' e.g. "Can you do all "basic" combinations?" is flawed as we don't know what 'all' is as it is vast. Isolations, airwraps weren't around a few years ago, so the 'all' is continously evolving.
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You can play for your enjoyment, the enjoyment of others or you can try to push the art
The use of the word 'or' implies they are mutually exclusive - I would say that they are all essential in various degrees in order to push the art.
I've done a little bit of thinking about 'knowing' poi and levels of skill and it seems to me moves have little to do with it - 'knowing' a skill is about understanding and developing an inherent, intrinsic knowledge, control and feel for a skill.
A beginner lacks control of their poi, the poi move and they struggle to direct the poi in moves. In a way the poi are more in control of themselves than the spinner.
An intermediate beginner has control of the poi, but regardless of how many moves they know they're not advanced.
An advanced beginner does not control thier poi, there is symbiosis between poi and person, they are guided through movements and the spinner does not always know where they are and where they're going, but instead feels within himself where they are and where they're going. It's a spiral flow.
Or maybe I just use these descriptions because I can't do a 5 beat btb weave, don't care that I can't do a 5 beat btb. I do care that I'm happy when I'm living, spinning and loving.
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Just as long as everyone knows I'm the best - I'm happy
Just as long as everyone knows I'm the best - I'm happy
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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
that's true actually - most of the time i don't really have a clue what move i've just done, it just happens. and a lot of the now advances happen completely by accident, so there's no way of knowing if there's other trick we woudl have discovered if someone had made the mistake of doing them. if someone makes up or discovers a new move that happens to be easyish to pick up then does that mean it's aadvanced trick or a new basic one? it depends on your definition of basic - i see it as more of a web of tricks. some depend on others and some can be done ranomly, they are easy or hard to pick up depending on your natural style as well as your skill level.
i reackon the future of poi is ever expanding circles.
on the other hand, it's quite satisfying to learn a new trick in a purely intellectual way, by deciding to learn it and then doing it.
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An advanced beginner does not control thier poi, there is symbiosis between poi and person, they are guided through movements and the spinner does not always know where they are and where they're going, but instead feels within himself where they are and where they're going. It's a spiral flow.
that's true actually - most of the time i don't really have a clue what move i've just done, it just happens. and a lot of the now advances happen completely by accident, so there's no way of knowing if there's other trick we woudl have discovered if someone had made the mistake of doing them. if someone makes up or discovers a new move that happens to be easyish to pick up then does that mean it's aadvanced trick or a new basic one? it depends on your definition of basic - i see it as more of a web of tricks. some depend on others and some can be done ranomly, they are easy or hard to pick up depending on your natural style as well as your skill level.
i reackon the future of poi is ever expanding circles.
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Or maybe I just use these descriptions because I can't do a 5 beat btb weave, don't care that I can't do a 5 beat btb. I do care that I'm happy when I'm living, spinning and loving.
on the other hand, it's quite satisfying to learn a new trick in a purely intellectual way, by deciding to learn it and then doing it.
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Just as long as everyone knows I'm the best - I'm happy
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NYC
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Posted:
Interesting.
I hadn't thought of it as "Filling a box of all possible poi moves" as much as "Evolving and mutating away from traditional poi."
No art or idea has a boundary. It's only a constraint put on it by us humans to make ideas more understandable.
Interesting.
I hadn't thought of it as "Filling a box of all possible poi moves" as much as "Evolving and mutating away from traditional poi."
No art or idea has a boundary. It's only a constraint put on it by us humans to make ideas more understandable.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
NYC
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Posted:
Dunno, I try and separate my spinning from my loving. Especially when using whitegas.
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I do care that I'm happy when I'm living, spinning and loving.
Dunno, I try and separate my spinning from my loving. Especially when using whitegas.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
(all right now, i'm not all that)
well, i have done many many shows where i am liquid and belly dancing, the whole time, and there happen to be chains in my hands doing tricks, pretty hard ones
,
and they are following the drumming and music patterns with timing. and i've been busting my balls many days a week for about 8 years or so. and i consider myself an intermediate.
and let me tell you, i am _ONLY_ evolved enough to know that I have BARELY scratched the surface.
it gets me up and stretching in the morning, knowing that there is so much work to do! as our dancing evolves, the chains will evolve with it. and there's rope dart, chain whip, meteors, gusara kama (etc.), and chucks too!
manriki gusari-ten thousand power chain
p.s. lately i have to know exactly where they are, less flow and more exacting choreography. but still flow...
(all right now, i'm not all that)well, i have done many many shows where i am liquid and belly dancing, the whole time, and there happen to be chains in my hands doing tricks, pretty hard ones
, and they are following the drumming and music patterns with timing. and i've been busting my balls many days a week for about 8 years or so. and i consider myself an intermediate.and let me tell you, i am _ONLY_ evolved enough to know that I have BARELY scratched the surface.
it gets me up and stretching in the morning, knowing that there is so much work to do! as our dancing evolves, the chains will evolve with it. and there's rope dart, chain whip, meteors, gusara kama (etc.), and chucks too!
manriki gusari-ten thousand power chain
p.s. lately i have to know exactly where they are, less flow and more exacting choreography. but still flow...
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Posted:
u fools, jsut because it doenst have a anme doesnt mean it doenst exist, just like your piano, jsut because they didnt make up a key to play the note, doesnt mean the sound doesnt exist,
all we do is spin strings with weights at the end depending on our own preferences, u say isolations buzzsaws carryovers etc.. didnt exist, did they not exist cus malcolm didnt allow us to post about it? the moves exist and u cannot say how far WE are from learning all, possibility's are endless and it all depends on what somsone can learn, how determined and so on
waht u could ask is how far are we concerning terminology
u fools, jsut because it doenst have a anme doesnt mean it doenst exist, just like your piano, jsut because they didnt make up a key to play the note, doesnt mean the sound doesnt exist,
all we do is spin strings with weights at the end depending on our own preferences, u say isolations buzzsaws carryovers etc.. didnt exist, did they not exist cus malcolm didnt allow us to post about it? the moves exist and u cannot say how far WE are from learning all, possibility's are endless and it all depends on what somsone can learn, how determined and so on
waht u could ask is how far are we concerning terminology
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Posted:
It's a bit ridicilous to say that there is infinate things to learn in poi. Excludeing unknown advances such as changing gravity and growing extra limbs, there is a limit to moves. It's just not in the near future (or even close to the near future) we will reach that limit.
Sure you can have near infinate styles, because they are just mixes of the bare bones moves combined with dance styles, and as the breakdown of electronic music genres shows, styles can be more vast then the moves themselves. But at the barebone level, there is a limit.
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It's a bit ridicilous to say that there is infinate things to learn in poi. Excludeing unknown advances such as changing gravity and growing extra limbs, there is a limit to moves. It's just not in the near future (or even close to the near future) we will reach that limit.
Sure you can have near infinate styles, because they are just mixes of the bare bones moves combined with dance styles, and as the breakdown of electronic music genres shows, styles can be more vast then the moves themselves. But at the barebone level, there is a limit.
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The only thing i can see limiting you is your mind.
The only thing i can see limiting you is your mind.
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HAHAHAHA FUNNY
PS-I think your minds more limited then mine if you have no comprehension of what infinate is.
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HAHAHAHA FUNNY
PS-I think your minds more limited then mine if you have no comprehension of what infinate is.
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Dont see guitarists moaning they dont have enough frets.
Dont see guitarists moaning they dont have enough frets.
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Posted:
says you who cant even spell infinite properly. :P
but seriously, i was thinking about this the other night while i was swimming laps - is there a limit? i mean how many ways can you really spin poi?
im not convinced we are anywhere near that mark now - but its something to look at over the next few years - will the number of new moves discovered gradually decrease? its probably too hard to say right now with so much innovation and new ideas.
personally though, i dont think ill ever reach my limit - i can always learn more, and i can alway teach more. to me, limits arent important. its more important to me that the nature of the firespinning community remains.
peace, love & hugs to all!
says you who cant even spell infinite properly.
:Pbut seriously, i was thinking about this the other night while i was swimming laps - is there a limit? i mean how many ways can you really spin poi?
im not convinced we are anywhere near that mark now - but its something to look at over the next few years - will the number of new moves discovered gradually decrease? its probably too hard to say right now with so much innovation and new ideas.
personally though, i dont think ill ever reach my limit - i can always learn more, and i can alway teach more. to me, limits arent important. its more important to me that the nature of the firespinning community remains.
peace, love & hugs to all!
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Uh.. No but they only have so many chords, notes, tricks like dive bombing, etc etc...
everything else is style and song composition.
A song is made up of "moves" liek a poi routine is made up of "moves"
There isn't infinate cords, there isn't infinate notes, there isn't infinate stunts like bending the neck or pulling or slapping the strings. Tell me one new "move" that has been invented in 20 years? Go ahead do it.
Or maybe you could just read where I was distinguishing between style and moves.
Oh yeah and you do hear guitarists moaning about the limitations of a guitar. Tons of them moved into electronic music in the late 70's and 80's.
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Uh.. No but they only have so many chords, notes, tricks like dive bombing, etc etc...
everything else is style and song composition.
A song is made up of "moves" liek a poi routine is made up of "moves"
There isn't infinate cords, there isn't infinate notes, there isn't infinate stunts like bending the neck or pulling or slapping the strings. Tell me one new "move" that has been invented in 20 years? Go ahead do it.
Or maybe you could just read where I was distinguishing between style and moves.
Oh yeah and you do hear guitarists moaning about the limitations of a guitar. Tons of them moved into electronic music in the late 70's and 80's.
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oh yeah. You have 5 diffrent shaped blocks, each with 3 diffrent colours, and 50 of each block.
Is their infinite ways you can stack them? Ofcourse not. Why should poi be diffrent? It's just much much more vaste then my block example, infact I think it's past our current comprehension just how many moves there are possible. That is no reason to declare it's infinite. I can't comprehend how many grains of sand make up the coastline of north america. Are their infinite grains of sand? Ofcourse not that's abusrd.
oh yeah. You have 5 diffrent shaped blocks, each with 3 diffrent colours, and 50 of each block.
Is their infinite ways you can stack them? Ofcourse not. Why should poi be diffrent? It's just much much more vaste then my block example, infact I think it's past our current comprehension just how many moves there are possible. That is no reason to declare it's infinite. I can't comprehend how many grains of sand make up the coastline of north america. Are their infinite grains of sand? Ofcourse not that's abusrd.
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how bout this robo....
get your poi / staff skills to the limit then get give me a yell.
your talking about a theoretical limit - which i agree in principle there is. however a practical limit to what one can learn is a bit different.
cheers.
how bout this robo....
get your poi / staff skills to the limit then get give me a yell.
your talking about a theoretical limit - which i agree in principle there is. however a practical limit to what one can learn is a bit different.
cheers.
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I agree, and I doubt I will ever reach the point where I know everything that's currently known about poi, let alone everything that will ever be known about poi (and I don't think the next generation of poi spinners will either, or the ones after them)
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your talking about a theoretical limit - which i agree in principle there is. however a practical limit to what one can learn is a bit different.
I agree, and I doubt I will ever reach the point where I know everything that's currently known about poi, let alone everything that will ever be known about poi (and I don't think the next generation of poi spinners will either, or the ones after them)
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Who knows where this runaway train called Poi is going to end up...im just enjoying the ride...hope everyone else is too
Who knows where this runaway train called Poi is going to end up...im just enjoying the ride...hope everyone else is too
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Posted:
Ooooo - where's the buffet cart?
Ooooo - where's the buffet cart?
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Posted:
but what happens when someone thinks of playing with the blocks in a way other than stacking them?
say instead of stacking them, we try to see how many different ways we can get three blocks spinning on a table top at once.
that will open up lots more variations that were 'never there' before.
the limit we found to the number of stacking moves has just been made irrelevant - there is now a whole new area of 'block tricks' that we can draw from.
your limit is only imposed by the number of ways you can imagine using the blocks at any one particular time.
infinity is a strange thing indeed...
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oh yeah. You have 5 diffrent shaped blocks, each with 3 diffrent colours, and 50 of each block.
Is their infinite ways you can stack them? Ofcourse not. Why should poi be diffrent?
but what happens when someone thinks of playing with the blocks in a way other than stacking them?
say instead of stacking them, we try to see how many different ways we can get three blocks spinning on a table top at once.
that will open up lots more variations that were 'never there' before.
the limit we found to the number of stacking moves has just been made irrelevant - there is now a whole new area of 'block tricks' that we can draw from.
your limit is only imposed by the number of ways you can imagine using the blocks at any one particular time.
infinity is a strange thing indeed...
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Posted:
*stands up and give polite round of applause to Coleman*
Great point - well made
*stands up and give polite round of applause to Coleman*
Great point - well made
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Posted:
What about numbers poi? There was this guy doing 6 poi at a time at the BJC. I wonder where his journey'll end up
I really want to get into double meteor more at some stage. As for normal 2 poi well I don't think anyone can know everything. I think that if anywhere'll come closest to documenting the most it could be websites like this though.
What about numbers poi? There was this guy doing 6 poi at a time at the BJC. I wonder where his journey'll end up
I really want to get into double meteor more at some stage. As for normal 2 poi well I don't think anyone can know everything. I think that if anywhere'll come closest to documenting the most it could be websites like this though.
I live in a world of infinite possibilities.
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WHAT???!
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There was this guy doing 6 poi at a time at the BJC.
WHAT???!
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Yea, it's true. He was well able for it too.
He was doing a 3 beat weave with his feet while doing 2 one handed butterflys with the other 4. He wasn't break dancing but it goes to show the infinitum we're talking about.
Yea, it's true. He was well able for it too.
He was doing a 3 beat weave with his feet while doing 2 one handed butterflys with the other 4. He wasn't break dancing but it goes to show the infinitum we're talking about.
I live in a world of infinite possibilities.
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Posted:
that was me on the bjc renegade stage. it was quite scary. i walked on
with poi and someone threw a knife at me.
admittedly i think it was 'cos he saw me trying to untangle my poi, but
it was still a little unnerving.
that was me on the bjc renegade stage. it was quite scary. i walked on
with poi and someone threw a knife at me.
admittedly i think it was 'cos he saw me trying to untangle my poi, but
it was still a little unnerving.
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Yea man that was well cool and very funny.....
I saw you practicing the day before in the big tent. Didn't see the knife though
Before someone else says it
Yea man that was well cool and very funny.....
I saw you practicing the day before in the big tent. Didn't see the knife though
Before someone else says it
I live in a world of infinite possibilities.
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Posted:
Back on topic... we could just change the name of this thread to:
"Let's all fight about the definitions of 'moves' and 'poi'."
Cuz that's all we're doing.
A smaller definition of "moves" and "poi" would lend someone to believe that we are almost done, or even that the Maori have already done every "poi" move (any thing that they didn't do isn't poi, right Glass?)
A larger definition of "moves" and "poi" consistant with someone like Coleman would lend us to see that we have not yet scratched the surface.
I personally define "poi move" as "everything I can do"... no matter what that is. So I will forever be able to do every poi move.
Back on topic... we could just change the name of this thread to:
"Let's all fight about the definitions of 'moves' and 'poi'."
Cuz that's all we're doing.
A smaller definition of "moves" and "poi" would lend someone to believe that we are almost done, or even that the Maori have already done every "poi" move (any thing that they didn't do isn't poi, right Glass?)
A larger definition of "moves" and "poi" consistant with someone like Coleman would lend us to see that we have not yet scratched the surface.
I personally define "poi move" as "everything I can do"... no matter what that is. So I will forever be able to do every poi move.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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